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Bill Clinton is pervert. Fact. Donald Trump is a pervert. Also fact. Listen to the words coming out of his mouth, its pretty obvious. No citation needed, hes proven it repeatedly.

 

Also fact, Hilary helped cover up Slick Willy's "indiscretions".

 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/09/hillary-clinton-treated-bill-clintons-female-accusers-lewinsky-broaddrick-flowers-hamzy-stephanopoulos/

 

yeah, it's Breitbart, so it's really skewed against Clinton.

 

Neither candidate is worthy of being referred to as a role model for anyone.  They both have a lot of problems.  I don't like either one, but I refuse to vote for Clinton. 

 

I'm not a single issue voter, but there is one issue that definitely influences my voting more than other things (2nd amendment).  Some of the things that have come out of her mouth in regards to the 2nd amendment are completely wrong.  She completely misconstrued the Supreme Courts Heller decision in the last presidential debate, talks about how ideal the Australian gun confiscation program was, and in the 90's advocated for a 400% tax on guns. 

 

Add in the FBI investigation, the allegations of pay to play in her State department, and I cannot bring myself to vote for her.

 

Then there's the info that wikileaks and project veritas has dropped about her that is just icing on the cake for me.

 

Is Trump better? Probably not, but he's not under investigation by the FBI.  People are going to be watching for hints of pay to play, and broadcasting it all over the media.

 

Hell, he's likely going to be fighting with the Republican and Democrat parties in the House and Senate.  So, likely, there won't be much getting done at the federal level for the next 4 years.  I'm OK with that.  Maybe in 4 years, we can actually get a decent candidate up there, someone that I can use as a role model for my kids, from either a third party or the Democrats.

 

 

Yes it is pretty ridiculous to have a presidential candidate this far into the race who's under investigation. Clinton is under investigation still for the e-mail scandal, which bothers me, but not as much as the alternative to be honest. A man who has multiple accusations of Sexual assault and rape, who's own wife said UNDER OATH that he raped her. Again, I don't like Clinton, but there are some things I can't stomach in a candidate and that's a big one. Yes I know Bill Clinton has done terrible shit too, and Hillary has most likely covered it up (tbh I haven't read that much into it but to the best of my knowledge that is the case). I see a vote for Trump as a vote to normalize sexual assault and mistreatment of women, if not a vote to reward such behavior.

 

 

 

 

 

But, I have absolutely no fear of what Hillary Clinton is going to do if she wins... because she will be doing nothing.

 

You don't think there's enough RINO's that will fold and give her what she wants?

 

Most of the "RINO'S" are gone since the Tea Party drove them out in 2010, 2012, and 2014... and now the "RINO" label doesn't carry the weight it used to carry since we nominated the ultimate "RINO" for President.

 

Obamacare was inflicted on us without a single Republican vote... and that was 2009 when we had a herd of "RINO'S". They will hold the line on a criminal President, because they did pretty good holding the line on Obama.

 

We might have an open revolt all across the country when they elect an obvious criminal... but we can't do a thing about it right now. She has not been convicted yet, and not even an indictment will stop her from winning if the people vote her into office. But one thing is for certain in all this mess... if Hillary Clinton is elected, her fate is totally at the mercy of James Comey and the United States Congress. I think they will be feeding her to the dogs... all her friends, her husband, and her kid too. I think Huma Abedin and Carlos Danger are singing like an opera. They won't go to prison for her.

 

 

The filibustering done by the Republican party is literally the largest political injustice ever done to the American people. Party politics play a role in Congress, I know, but to spend 4 years saying the president isn't doing shit and that Obamacare is broken when the reason for both of those is their own actions is childish. The fact that they have blocked all supreme court nominees and plan to continue doing so if they lose the presidential election is infuriating. The Supreme Court isn't supposed to play a political role, but they still vote along party lines instead of interpreting the law as they are supposed to. 

 

The refusal of elected officials in Congress to do the job that they were elected to do is baffling, and in my opinion they should be arrested for stealing from the American public unless they return every dime of the money they've been paid while in office, and then resign said office.



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Come down off your cross COD... no one nailed you to it. We have had opposition party filibuster forever, It's nothing new. You seem to believe that Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush were never filibustered.  Barack Obama sealed his fate with Congress on Obamacare... when he famously said "Elections Have Consequences, and I won!"... Ever since he has been crushed in every election from State Legislature to Congress, and we say "Elections Have Consequences".

 

Your people can change things... you first have to step up and win some elections... but please stop trying to cheat.


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Alot of people are voting for their political party (be it Dems or Reps) and that is cause they know a President isn't alone, a President needs not just his staff but also his parties members to band behind him/her to enact changes. I do wonder how the percentage of those kind of votes are in Dems/Reps camps, who has the most "I vote for my party" line of thinkers?

 

A second group are voting against the other candidate, voting against (perceived) immorals presented by the newsoutlets they frequent.

 

A third large group can be split 2 ways but actually do splendid in balancing eachother (I think), this is the "status quo" vs "radical change" people, I just enjoy that neither side is actually voting for their own slogan but actually against the other (aka protest votes).

 

The rest actually look past the persona and into the plans laid forward by both sides, sadly this is a silent group for the most part.

 

 

 

Trump is the only chance for anything to change... Supreme Court, juicing the economy, illegal immigration, and ending Government corruption are most important to me. But, I have absolutely no fear of what Hillary Clinton is going to do if she wins... because she will be doing nothing.

 

 

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#1: sure, thats all for him, not sure if he will get it thruw the proper channels thou. (unsure what those all are tbh :D)

#2: both sides want more debt, they just disagree on where the $$ will ctually go in the end.

#3: good luck there, see #2 crumble when you deport any worker willing to follow pennies for shit jobs (sometimes literally).

#4: yes, lets throw out the +200 egocentric squablers and instal 1 massive one. This makes me think about Egypt and the Aten fiasco. Heck even all the gold in Tut's grave ties this splendidly :D


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Sure, but if you're going to go that route, the same could be said about Republicans.  Please tell me how Republicans are any different or any better.  The Republicans just did the exact opposite, they started out demonizing him, advocating resignation and suggesting he is covering up for her, attacking him saying he's a Democrat (when in fact it's proven he's not), to now suddenly praising him that he has now reopened to case.  I don't honestly know what your point is, but in no way can you attack democrats for going from one extreme to the next without putting Republicans right in with them.  Both sides are happy when things are for them or help them, angry when they're not.  

 

I think a lot of that stems from the fact Comey is a government employee, Republicans felt Comey was just another part of the political machine that chose to cut the investigation short. I personally didn't have a problem with Comey's first decision as I expect someone in charge of a governmental investigation to be a person of strong character, and carefully weigh factual evidence. A lot of Republicans I have personally talked to said they didn't like the 1st outcome, but they accepted it because nothing more could be done.

 

I guess the real point I am getting at is I have heard way more Democrats demonize Comey for attacking Hillary, compared to the few Republicans who complained about Comey the first time around. In the grand scheme of things, does my point even matter? No it does not. Its simply my own personal observation.

 

To change the topic, at this point in time with the election mere days away, the constant fluctuating polls that come out in swing states doesn't matter, the political banter from talk show hosts who bring in so called experts doesn't matter, all that matters now is how many people will choose to go out and vote on Tuesday. Polls were helpful weeks ago, but the majority of voters have already made up their minds. What will give us a good indication of the outcome are the exit polls. I expect a lot of people will be glued to their TVs, Phones, and Computers come election day. However, we probably won't find out the results until early Wednesday morning.

 

So go out and vote people!

 

 

 

I guess the real point I am getting at is I have heard way more Democrats demonize Comey for attacking Hillary, compared to the few Republicans who complained about Comey the first time around.

 

 

If you're honestly going to sit there and blatantly lie I don't know what anyone's point of arguing with you is.  Either your bias is showing through in rapid numbers, or you're severely kidding yourself into actually believing what you're saying.  The few Republicans that complained?  LOL.  How many hearings did they have with Comey and sat there and drilled him?  How many times did I see Republican leaders come out in disbelief that nothing is coming of it?  How many Republican supporters did I see making the various comments I mentioned as I watched the live feeds on FB from Fox News when Comey was being questioned, or the comment section of articles posted about Comey.  How many of my Republican friends post memes and make their statuses calling for him to resign and covering for her?  I was born, but it wasn't yesterday.  If you're going to downplay all the outrage and anger shown by Republicans when he said no charges would come of it, you certainly do not have any right to call anyone else out.  Both parties are as guilty of this as the other, I can at least be critical of both.

You honestly have me here actually defending Democrats that's how sad this is.

 

Rhizo, you're reading too much into what I said.

 

It is my personally opinion, based on what I saw and who I interacted with at that point in time, made me come to the conclusion that not many Republicans handled it irresponsibly. I don't live under a rock, but I simply didn't see it happen that much.

 

If you want to attack me and call me an outright liar than I am done with this conversation. I've known you for many years Rhizo, I didn't expect to see you jump down the throat of an old friend. You know I am no liar and that I am a man of good character.

 

 

 

Calling you a liar was overstepping there and I may have come out the gates pretty hot, though I've been much more intense with fellow friends and family on both sides of the isle.  For that I apologize, but I will not step back from my point.  I have no idea if you have forgotten the mass articles/FB posts and statuses, or the various comments on articles on FB after Comey said there would be no charges, or turned a blind eye to it, but in no way has the Democrats been any worse in flipping out/demonizing Comey then Republicans when he said there would be no charges a few months ago.  The Republicans were no better, I actually saw more of it from Republicans then Democrats, but that's likely because my Republican friends are more outspoken, but the difference between both sides is so minute it doesn't matter.  As I already said, both sides like when something is working in their favor, they don't when it's not.  The only difference is Republicans started out outraged at first when he said no charges would be filed while Democrats were celebrating and cheering, to now the exact opposite.

I'm not sure how to share FB links to specific things on the likes of Fox FB page, but since we're FB friends I can surely share links to exactly what I'm talking about.  Just take a read at the comments section of articles or live feeds from that time and tell me Republicans aren't doing the same thing you claim Democrats are.  

 

Newt Gingrich stated he was covering it up.  "I am shocked at [FBI Director James] Comey, who's had a great reputation, clearly has been in the tank covering up for what, by any reasonable standard, is a horrific scandal of illegality."

 

That's mild to the comments from Republicans who left comments in the comment section.  If you'd like to see my point, it wasn't too difficult to find references to what I'm saying.  Wish i had saved all the memes going around.

But plain and simple, I'm tired of the election, I'm tired of people defending shitty people, I'm tired of party politics bullshit.  It's a joke.  You have someone like Trump who is obviously a racist, who has said off the wall comments and portrayed some of most unbecoming characteristics of someone I would want Representing our country.  Who has proven to be a complete and utter liar, and sleezeball that is as disrespectful as it comes to women, yet claims he has more respect then anyone towards them (chuckle), and now has women accusing him off various sexual assaults.  Then you have Hillary, likely one of the most corrupted individuals in politics which is saying a whole lot.  Who will say anything to get elected, caught in lie after lie, and currently being investigated by the FBI for wrongful use of a server and who knows what else with the Clinton Foundation.  And then you have Johnson, who had enough gaffes and odd remarks to think he's still toking up, or if he's not, he should start up again and hopefully come across less idiotic.  Who has made to look like he lives under a rock because he has been lazy in his prep obviously, and a running partner who has used the Libertarian platform to help Hillary.  

This is the best we have?  So yea, the gloves are off.  I've done the whole defending my candidate against things when in reality they deserved the criticism, I've attacked the enemy and looked to paint them much worse, I'm done.   I'm going to call people out or candidates out for shit they do or say, or for bias remarks.  I honestly don't know how anyone can actually defend either Trump or Hillary as being good candidates...they're both scum and many of their supporters know it but care to ignore it or try to highlight something about the other to paint them as worse.  If it looks like shit, smells like shit, it's likely shit.

I give you one big benefit of the doubt, and that's at least you stated your main reason for voting Trump.  Instead of acting as if Trump is a good candidate, you at least address it's because of the Supreme court more then anything...and I get that, especially someone like me who is a gun loving American.  What gets me to my core is people who look to make excuses for inexcusable actions of their candidate, or downplay it because this person did this.  


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Calling you a liar was overstepping there and I may have come out the gates pretty hot, though I've been much more intense with fellow friends and family on both sides of the isle.  For that I apologize, but I will not step back from my point.  I have no idea if you have forgotten the mass articles/FB posts and statuses, or the various comments on articles on FB after Comey said there would be no charges, or turned a blind eye to it, but in no way has the Democrats been any worse in flipping out/demonizing Comey then Republicans when he said there would be no charges a few months ago.  The Republicans were no better, I actually saw more of it from Republicans then Democrats, but that's likely because my Republican friends are more outspoken, but the difference between both sides is so minute it doesn't matter.  As I already said, both sides like when something is working in their favor, they don't when it's not.  The only difference is Republicans started out outraged at first when he said no charges would be filed while Democrats were celebrating and cheering, to now the exact opposite.

I'm not sure how to share FB links to specific things on the likes of Fox FB page, but since we're FB friends I can surely share links to exactly what I'm talking about.  Just take a read at the comments section of articles or live feeds from that time and tell me Republicans aren't doing the same thing you claim Democrats are.  

 

Newt Gingrich stated he was covering it up.  "I am shocked at [FBI Director James] Comey, who's had a great reputation, clearly has been in the tank covering up for what, by any reasonable standard, is a horrific scandal of illegality."

 

That's mild to the comments from Republicans who left comments in the comment section.  If you'd like to see my point, it wasn't too difficult to find references to what I'm saying.  Wish i had saved all the memes going around.

But plain and simple, I'm tired of the election, I'm tired of people defending shitty people, I'm tired of party politics bullshit.  It's a joke.  You have someone like Trump who is obviously a racist, who has said off the wall comments and portrayed some of most unbecoming characteristics of someone I would want Representing our country.  Who has proven to be a complete and utter liar, and sleezeball that is as disrespectful as it comes to women, yet claims he has more respect then anyone towards them (chuckle), and now has women accusing him off various sexual assaults.  Then you have Hillary, likely one of the most corrupted individuals in politics which is saying a whole lot.  Who will say anything to get elected, caught in lie after lie, and currently being investigated by the FBI for wrongful use of a server and who knows what else with the Clinton Foundation.  And then you have Johnson, who had enough gaffes and odd remarks to think he's still toking up, or if he's not, he should start up again and hopefully come across less idiotic.  Who has made to look like he lives under a rock because he has been lazy in his prep obviously, and a running partner who has used the Libertarian platform to help Hillary.  

This is the best we have?  So yea, the gloves are off.  I've done the whole defending my candidate against things when in reality they deserved the criticism, I've attacked the enemy and looked to paint them much worse, I'm done.   I'm going to call people out or candidates out for shit they do or say, or for bias remarks.  I honestly don't know how anyone can actually defend either Trump or Hillary as being good candidates...they're both scum and many of their supporters know it but care to ignore it or try to highlight something about the other to paint them as worse.  If it looks like shit, smells like shit, it's likely shit.

I give you one big benefit of the doubt, and that's at least you stated your main reason for voting Trump.  Instead of acting as if Trump is a good candidate, you at least address it's because of the Supreme court more then anything...and I get that, especially someone like me who is a gun loving American.  What gets me to my core is people who look to make excuses for inexcusable actions of their candidate, or downplay it because this person did this.  

 

I forgive you for what you said. Of all the elections I can remember, this one has by far brought out the worst in people. At least in 4 days it it will all be over.

 

Truthfully, I never saw much negativity in regards to Comey first time around. I don't have cable so I can't watch live news channels. I saw a couple memes on FB, and I think one story on Fox News, but that was all I saw. I had a few conversations with friends that were uneventful beyond expressing dissatisfaction.

 

After you pointed it out, I did take a look at things Republicans were saying. And yes, you are correct in that their rhetoric is almost the same as how Democrats are reacting toward the case being reopened.

 

I usually do a good job staying on top of current events, but I must have missed the hype on this one.


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It's nice to see you guys make up. It's easy to get carried away in the heat of things in e-debates! Don't let Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton of all people erode your friendship.


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But plain and simple, I'm tired of the election, I'm tired of people defending shitty people, I'm tired of party politics bullshit. It's a joke. You have someone like Trump who is obviously a racist, who has said off the wall comments and portrayed some of most unbecoming characteristics of someone I would want Representing our country. Who has proven to be a complete and utter liar, and sleezeball that is as disrespectful as it comes to women, yet claims he has more respect then anyone towards them (chuckle), and now has women accusing him off various sexual assaults. Then you have Hillary, likely one of the most corrupted individuals in politics which is saying a whole lot. Who will say anything to get elected, caught in lie after lie, and currently being investigated by the FBI for wrongful use of a server and who knows what else with the Clinton Foundation. And then you have Johnson, who had enough gaffes and odd remarks to think he's still toking up, or if he's not, he should start up again and hopefully come across less idiotic. Who has made to look like he lives under a rock because he has been lazy in his prep obviously, and a running partner who has used the Libertarian platform to help Hillary. This is the best we have? So yea, the gloves are off. I've done the whole defending my candidate against things when in reality they deserved the criticism, I've attacked the enemy and looked to paint them much worse, I'm done. I'm going to call people out or candidates out for shit they do or say, or for bias remarks. I honestly don't know how anyone can actually defend either Trump or Hillary as being good candidates...they're both scum and many of their supporters know it but care to ignore it or try to highlight something about the other to paint them as worse. If it looks like shit, smells like shit, it's likely shit. I give you one big benefit of the doubt, and that's at least you stated your main reason for voting Trump. Instead of acting as if Trump is a good candidate, you at least address it's because of the Supreme court more then anything...and I get that, especially someone like me who is a gun loving American. What gets me to my core is people who look to make excuses for inexcusable actions of their candidate, or downplay it because this person did this.


^ THIS! SO MUCH THIS!

None of the candidates are good. We're getting screwed one way or another and it's not easy to say which one will screw us more. Very disappointed in America's democratic process right now and thinking something needs to be fixed because this is seriously a joke.

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Bill Clinton is pervert. Fact. Donald Trump is a pervert. Also fact. Listen to the words coming out of his mouth, its pretty obvious. No citation needed, hes proven it repeatedly.


Also fact, Hilary helped cover up Slick Willy's "indiscretions".

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/09/hillary-clinton-treated-bill-clintons-female-accusers-lewinsky-broaddrick-flowers-hamzy-stephanopoulos/

yeah, it's Breitbart, so it's really skewed against Clinton.

Neither candidate is worthy of being referred to as a role model for anyone. They both have a lot of problems. I don't like either one, but I refuse to vote for Clinton.

I'm not a single issue voter, but there is one issue that definitely influences my voting more than other things (2nd amendment). Some of the things that have come out of her mouth in regards to the 2nd amendment are completely wrong. She completely misconstrued the Supreme Courts Heller decision in the last presidential debate, talks about how ideal the Australian gun confiscation program was, and in the 90's advocated for a 400% tax on guns.

Add in the FBI investigation, the allegations of pay to play in her State department, and I cannot bring myself to vote for her.

Then there's the info that wikileaks and project veritas has dropped about her that is just icing on the cake for me.

Is Trump better? Probably not, but he's not under investigation by the FBI. People are going to be watching for hints of pay to play, and broadcasting it all over the media.

Hell, he's likely going to be fighting with the Republican and Democrat parties in the House and Senate. So, likely, there won't be much getting done at the federal level for the next 4 years. I'm OK with that. Maybe in 4 years, we can actually get a decent candidate up there, someone that I can use as a role model for my kids, from either a third party or the Democrats.
Even Trumps pal in National Enquirer covers up Trump's affairs.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/304469-report-national-enquirer-withheld-story-about-trump-affair

And the iron y of it all, Melania Trump worked illegally:
Melania Trump modeled in US prior to getting work visa.
https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d

Wondering if Barron Trump is an anchor baby.

You think Putin's helping Trump because he thinks they can be pal? Putin only cares about what's best for Russia and Putin...he knows Trumps an idiot and will make America weaker like George Bush did before him. TBH if you believe world should be more multipolar and equitable, you should vote for Trump. Let him sell even your roads and bridges to his rich pals running the rich corporations that own most of the stuff anyway.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/11/04/donald_trump_s_plan_to_privatize_america_s_roads_and_bridges.html

But tbh when I look at Hillary, lying, corruption and deaths she has called by wars in middle East and arming extremists, I got to say if Trump and Clinton are the outcome of your political process, it's just rotten to the core.

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Trump has come out with his closing message. It's a full 2 minute ad that will be running heavily in battleground states. I'm in Nevada, so I guess I'll be seeing it a lot. Hillary has chosen to continue her negative campaign against Trump, since she obviously has nothing left to show us. If you're not doing a double handed face palm every time you hear Hillary say something about taking the "high road", then you are truly lost. This ad is what we are all about.

As election day approaches, maybe I can give you a heads up on what to look for to make it easy for you.

 

Begin Tuesday evening by fully believing that Hillary Clinton has already won this election. The task for Donald Trump will be to take it from her. The news channels will first talk about "Exit Polling"... this will give you a look into the mood of the voters, but it's not an indicator of the official vote. In 2004, the exit polls strongly indicated a John Kerry win and they were all pretty shocked when it didn't turn out that way. So save yourself for the raw totals.

 

Watch New Hampshire first. If Trump wins there, he's on a strong path to win. If Trump wins Pennsylvania... go to bed early because he's the next President. If Hillary wins in Florida, North Carolina, or Ohio... go to bed early because she's the next President. If Hillary takes New Hampshire and Pennsylvania... and Trump takes Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio... Trump will have to win in Michigan or Wisconsin to keep it close. Hopefully it will not get to where you have to wait for Nevada and Colorado returns, but we have seen things go really off the rails before, so don't be shocked.

 

I predict Hillary Clinton will win because there are just too many states that Trump must win, and too many states that Hillary only has to take one to block a Trump victory. The real fun will begin on Wednesday. Good luck my friends... we're gonna need it.


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