Mandarijn

You know as well as we do that doing nothing at night doens't clear you one bit. The ones voting for Ali need to think about who would be Ali's scum partners and why..?

I haven't cleared Ali btw, I just want to wait till tomorrow to see what the night brings. His story just seems more legit, he's accusing the same people as I suspect. If he's scum he wouldn't sacrifice 2 of his scum buddies to save his own, he would just be accusing others... BUT he's not doing this at all, so I have to believe him as he's the only one making sense. (I am aware he's probably the only player in this game that could pull this off as a scum, so I haven't completely wrote him off) Seeing Ali is already at 4 votes, it's time to start another wagon. Vote: Yehom You give the same list as Yehom, except for the fact that you put 'or Yehom' behind my name to distance yourself from him. This doesn't work btw.

Please do tell who 'we' are, and where it was assumed that it was precisely 4 An example: http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/58337-tw-04-harry-potter-and-the-prisoner-of-azkaban-mafia-day-4/page-18?do=findComment&comment=886575 I could probably find more but it doesn't matter. We're just derailing the discussion again... I also found this: http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/58337-tw-04-harry-potter-and-the-prisoner-of-azkaban-mafia-day-4/?p=884715 So it could be 5, in which case you have to pick 2 more scums... No one has said there are 3 (that I could find). But it doesn't matter, you just have to give a list of 4 scums. I really don't understand why you don't want to do this... @D34th: You should give your list as well and not just do the OMGUS tactic... It's possible that you're town, but that doesn't help.

Again why are you so fixated on that number 4? Why are you so sure it's 4? It could be 5, it could be 3. Do you know more than we do? A normal game would have 4 (25% of 16), all game we've assumed there are 4... So why are you now deviating from that?

Lol, I can only find 3 name that are suspicious at this point in time. Maybe time will reveal another name in the future, but as it stands I think these 3 are the most stand out at the moment. Why would I name a 4th name if I can't name someone that stands out now, just because you think that there are 4 people scum. It would be stupid give out a name purely because you think there are 4 people scum (unless you want me to involve an innocent townie). There could be 5 people scum for all we know. Instead I think you're way too fixated on that number 4. Aren't you the one that is trying to tell something? If you can't find a 4th one, it's pretty obvious that your analysis isn't entirely correct and that you have to review your opinion on at least 1 person... I'm not saying Ali's analysis is entirely correct (as I feel D34th could still be town), but it's more believable as he has 4 possible scum. Normally you have more possible scum than there are scum and you have to do your best to cut it down to only 4 names...

Seeing Ali's list, I think it's safe to say that there aren't any PR left that can provide any additional info. There probably is a Docter of some sort around which is missing from his list (highly doubt that TW would only give us a Bodyguard for protection), but I think this is about it PR's wise. Maybe if you could actually read my post instead of reading what you want or what you don't want, you'd know that I'm only thinking that SM has the most chance of being scum and that I was pretty in the middle about Death, iSoc and Manda. Everybody else on that list I was leaning towards town (like it said in the post, but again reading is hard sometimes apparently, it's right there). Now with Death RC and tracking me on D3, seeing me do nothing which is true, I'm pretty sure he's not bluffing that because that would be pretty risky as he'd have to bluff 3 results. Therefore Death is most likely town too. SM, iSoc and Manda are my main suspects then. But you already probably knew that and are just looking for more excuses, or a more clear excuse, to fuel your attempt to paint me as scum right? I read it, but you can't say 4 are confirmed town and then have 3/6 that you have a town feel about as well, because 4/6 have to be scum... You still only name 3 people in your most recent list... Or do you know that there are only 3 scums?

And if anyone else has any other info to share, now is the time! @Yehom: I think you mean this post: You say 4 people are proven townies, and give your thoughts on the other players. With the conclusion that you are leaning to vote on SM. BUT if those 4 are town, that would mean 4/6 of those players are scum, but you stay in the middle on most of them. So you're not saying anything in the end... (Scum tactics 101) Please give us your 4 scum names. (same for all the others)

Actually I want to see some scum lists from everyone, not just player analysis, but 4 names of who you think are scum and why... I have to agree with Ali's analysis (today, as the night might bring some new info). I would opt for a lynch on Yehom (he's one of my main suspects as well) or iSoc. My list would thus also be: Yehom iSoc SBG D34th (this one I'm least sure about)

So D34th's results are just made up then as it would be stupid to track your fellow scum mates.

@SBG: Both iSoc and SM have given their list already... @D34th: Make sure you give your info on time, otherwise I'll be pushing for your lynch!

If we assume you got Framed, that means Wolfpacks, Ali, KevinH and Rhizo are town. (assuming there's no GF) This would mean the scum can be found in: COD (probably town?), D34th, iSoc, SBG, SM, Yehom If we assume Wolfpacks is an insane cop, that would mean KevinH and Rhizo are scum. Then there's also the possibility Ali is just scum, but is just playing it really well. But I don't think this is the case. (Seeing what happens in the next night might give us some more clues about this. BUT if we mislynch today we've most likely lost already)

If you remember that game, then you also know how disgusted I was with that play... I would never do that myself, if that was my 'plan' why would I come back? I was completely off the radar by the end of D3 and I probably could ride the game out untill the end. I even asked for a replacement before the game even started on the 1st day I was hired. But because I still wasn't replaced and I had 4 days vacation last weekend, I decided to try and help the town by becoming somewhat active again...

Although only 1 of SM and iSoc is scum, so if we guess wrong we're screwed. My bet is SM is the scum.

We should definitly not lynch Ali (yet)... I think there are better candidates, like SM, who's just jumping on every wagon there is and is acting really shady and not contributing at all. Or iSoc, who's lurking and not contributing much either. Wolfpacks is the only confirmed townie for me at this point. Besides this we should wait on what D34th has to tell us, maybe he'll shed some more light on all the information we recently got. We should definitly not be lynching any one before monday/tuesday.

@Yehom: Why was 1ceCream a suspect then? Besides the lurking. I also said at least 2/3 are scum, I could be wrong about 1... @COD: The hammer vote doesn't always say much, the lynch would've happened without his vote as well. So scums won't make that kind of vote as it'll only bring attention to themself. And it's just my analysis, it probably won't be 100% correct... but seeing where Preston was heading, I think we need to look further at that. Also iSoc and Rhizo were reading the thread when I made that post last night. So lurk alert!

Ok, so I've spend the last 3-4 hours reading this topic (I had 4 days off, so I finally had some time) as I still wasn't replaced... The scum are also keeping me alive as I'm no thread to them, so it's time to make them pay for this. I can't promise to be very active from now on, but I'll do my best to share my thoughts when I can. I've also made my excel (it's not complete as I only started at the end of D2), but I got a few interesting thoughts I want to share. Maybe I'm completely off, but I just want to get them out there. 1st off, 2 interesting posts: - Preston's last words: (They are important as he was probably heading in the right direction) - D34th with a short post that basicly hammered 1ceCream: Can you elaborate on all those reasons that you had to do this? Then my thoughts. The votes that hammered the lynches: No Lynch (9): 1ceCream, D34THBR1NG3R, KevinH, Ali bin Turban, Wolfpacks, Mazuurek, Sister Midnight, SBG, Robert2424 Robert2424 (6): Ali bin Turban, SBG, Yehom, Chaplain of Death, 1ceCream, Preston 1ceCream (5): Chaplain of Death, KevinH, Yehom, D34THBR1NG3R, Preston COD and Yehom were on both wagons that lynched a townie. This was also their only vote that day for both of them. This probably isn't a coincidence. I agree with others that Ali is the only real true townie among us. But I also believe Wolfpacks (he had a lot of people questioning him) and probably Rhizo as well (he seems to do his best to scum hunt when he came back) are townies. It's still possible that 1 of either Rhizo or Ali is playing us/me, as I know they're capable of doing and that they are just playing a very good scum. We have to always keep this in mind! Preston said in his last post that he questioned KevinH for his "not switching votes to Robert" while there were plenty of reasons to do so, but just sticking with his lynching inactives idea while this wouldn't help the town at all. Others have questioned KEvinH as well at the end of D3. So I'm pretty confident there are at least 2 scums in this list: Yehom, COD and KevinH. D34th and SBG could both be scum in my eyes, both where on the NL wagon and on 1 of the 2 towniewagons. If KevinH is scum, iSoc is probably town. If COD is scum, SM is probably town. (She didn't make herself popular with not posting her thoughts on D3) Here is my lists of people distansing themselves from someone else by accusing him/her in their posts: (This is just an indication, it doesn't have to mean anything btw) Yehom <-> Wolfpacks Ali <-> Wolfpacks COD <-> Wolfpacks COD <-> SM iSoc <-> KevinH Ali <-> SM Rhizo <-> KevinH Rhizo <-> D34th SBG <-> SM SBG <-> KevinH

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Keep trying

But no FAC or DRA...

LoL

I can make fluff votes every day as well, but that doesn't help town at all. So I don't normally do that, except when asked. I don't have the time to analyse posts or write up my conclusions of my analysis. Normally I keep track of a lot of things in an Excel and I read back a lot. So if I can't do that, there's not much to post about, except fluff. But I'm trying to keep up with reading while on the train, so I at least am up to speed a little bit (untill/if I get replaced)...

I really wish I could contribute more, but at this moment I just can't find the time. So if I can be replaced, please do so. I'll do my best to contribute as much as I can (untill then). I just started working 2 weeks ago, so I have little time during the week and my weekends have been crazy busy. I already said in the sign up thread that I thought my time would be limited, and I was right unfortunately. So I apologise to all of you for not living up to the standard.

I'm just shocked, how on earth can so many townies quicklynch on D1 without any meaningful discussion happening... This looks very promising for the scum again. No discussion = no analysis from me, because what is there to analyse/respond to? I'm going on seminar for 3 days with work, so don't expect much input from me till the weekend. And yes you'll see me post in the war aid and maybe some other forum sections as well. I hope to find some time in the weekend to write something up about the last 2-3 people that voted NL...

Lol, why did he start over?

At the same time he was very good in taking you out. You should have focused on looking for him and not to kill me . I was targeting ISoc and then KevinH so I was harmless . True, but at that time we weren't 100% sure D34th was the last vamp, you formed the bigger threat at that time.