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Game of Thrones

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First time the show will overtake the book. So lots of answers that has been hanging around for years will hopefully be revealed. Should be interesting.

4/24....TOO DAMN FAR AWAY!

 

 

But super pumped!  Though that trailer really didn't tell/show much.  Most I got from that is that John Snow is truely dead, and not still alive like after the last season people speculated he wasn't, or that one woman would bring him back to life.  

 

John Snow will be made alive and will rally the northern lords to Stark banner and attack winterfell.

 

 

 

Is this some known spoiler, or your guess.  His face is part of the hall of faces (whatever it's called), so my assumption he is dead just like the rest of the Starks they showed and Jeffery. 

 

The one thing I was thinking however, going off your spoiler, what if he doesn't return, but his sister turns into him like her teacher can (guy with many faces or whatever his exact name is)

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Samus is correct about Jon, I don't know if the fire will save him. Don't take the Hall of Faces trailor as Jon is dead, that's Tyrion at the end, and he's not dead. I see Sansa and Bran, being very key to the Starks comeback, and ultimate revenge. Arya will become an assassin... I can't wait to see her complete transformation. Drinks all around!

Jon Snow can not die.

 

Yes.

 

But yeah I read articles on how Kit Harrington was seen around the set and how he still hasnt cut his hair while they were shooting the show. So they are trying to keep it hush hush.

 

Also, it wont make sense from the story point of view to kill him off..I mean why go through all the story about him becoming the lord Commander just to be killed off right after he becomes one! Also if you read the books, a lot of the book was from his POV so the writer built his character to do something. Robb never had a POV for example so his death wasnt a surprise. Ned's death was a surprise but it was needed for the story. It set off the whole war. Jon's death at this point of the story makes no sense whatsoever.
 

Yeah jon snow wont stay dead for sure.This entire jon snow's death arc has been created to release jon of his vows to nightwatch.His watch has now ended and he is free to go to capture North.In books Robb stark actually legitimized jon and named him his hier in his will  before his death,not sure if something similar was shown on show.But it clearly points out that the next step in jons story line is retaking north and then possibly laying claim to the iron throne.

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Jon Snow can not die.

 

Yes.

 

But yeah I read articles on how Kit Harrington was seen around the set and how he still hasnt cut his hair while they were shooting the show. So they are trying to keep it hush hush.

 

Also, it wont make sense from the story point of view to kill him off..I mean why go through all the story about him becoming the lord Commander just to be killed off right after he becomes one! Also if you read the books, a lot of the book was from his POV so the writer built his character to do something. Robb never had a POV for example so his death wasnt a surprise. Ned's death was a surprise but it was needed for the story. It set off the whole war. Jon's death at this point of the story makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Right up front... I haven't read the books... but I think Jon's apparent death is important to the story to illustrate the entire collapse of the order of The Night's Watch. As long as the watcher's are on the wall... it will never fall. They have assassinated their leader, it can't get any worse than this. The wall will fall, because they have entirely finished with the set created for the wall, and are planning to open the set up for tourism. So the wall is done.

 

There is something in the show that I hear is not in the books. Melisandre, the red woman, is conveniently in Castle Black. In the book she's still with a very alive Stannis Baratheon. She took a mad interest in Jon Snow when she met him, and I believe she knows instinctively, that he has Targaryen blood. I think she will bring Snow back... but anytime something seems obvious in GoT... someone comes in and kills someone else, and blows your mind all over the place.

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Yeah jon snow wont stay dead for sure.This entire jon snow's death arc has been created to release jon of his vows to nightwatch.His watch has now ended and he is free to go to capture North.In books Robb stark actually legitimized jon and named him his hier in his will  before his death,not sure if something similar was shown on show.But it clearly points out that the next step in jons story line is retaking north and then possibly laying claim to the iron throne.

Really? Why would Robb Stark bypass Bran in the order of succession? Jon Snow is not even Ned Stark's son... he's a Targaryen.

 

EDIT: but then again... Robb always believed that Theon killed Bran... right?

 

Yeah jon snow wont stay dead for sure.This entire jon snow's death arc has been created to release jon of his vows to nightwatch.His watch has now ended and he is free to go to capture North.In books Robb stark actually legitimized jon and named him his hier in his will  before his death,not sure if something similar was shown on show.But it clearly points out that the next step in jons story line is retaking north and then possibly laying claim to the iron throne.

Really? Why would Robb Stark bypass Bran in the order of succession? Jon Snow is not even Ned Stark's son... he's a Targaryen.

 

EDIT: but then again... Robb always believed that Theon killed Bran... right?

 

When Robb wrote his will he believed both bran and rickon to be dead,the only know stark to be alive was his bastard brother jon.

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Yeah jon snow wont stay dead for sure.This entire jon snow's death arc has been created to release jon of his vows to nightwatch.His watch has now ended and he is free to go to capture North.In books Robb stark actually legitimized jon and named him his hier in his will  before his death,not sure if something similar was shown on show.But it clearly points out that the next step in jons story line is retaking north and then possibly laying claim to the iron throne.

Really? Why would Robb Stark bypass Bran in the order of succession? Jon Snow is not even Ned Stark's son... he's a Targaryen.

 

EDIT: but then again... Robb always believed that Theon killed Bran... right?

 

When Robb wrote his will he believed both bran and rickon to be dead,the only know stark to be alive was his bastard brother jon.

 

Makes sense... but the Little Lord will surprise a lot of people. What bugs me the most is within a couple years in story time, these kids have aged 6 years and about to all buy their first beer.

 

 

 

Yeah jon snow wont stay dead for sure.This entire jon snow's death arc has been created to release jon of his vows to nightwatch.His watch has now ended and he is free to go to capture North.In books Robb stark actually legitimized jon and named him his hier in his will  before his death,not sure if something similar was shown on show.But it clearly points out that the next step in jons story line is retaking north and then possibly laying claim to the iron throne.

Really? Why would Robb Stark bypass Bran in the order of succession? Jon Snow is not even Ned Stark's son... he's a Targaryen.

 

EDIT: but then again... Robb always believed that Theon killed Bran... right?

 

When Robb wrote his will he believed both bran and rickon to be dead,the only know stark to be alive was his bastard brother jon.

 

Makes sense... but the Little Lord will surprise a lot of people. What bugs me the most is within a couple years in story time, these kids have aged 6 years and about to all buy their first beer.

 

lmao you mean ale right?!

 

Jon Snow can not die.

 

Yes.

 

But yeah I read articles on how Kit Harrington was seen around the set and how he still hasnt cut his hair while they were shooting the show. So they are trying to keep it hush hush.

 

Also, it wont make sense from the story point of view to kill him off..I mean why go through all the story about him becoming the lord Commander just to be killed off right after he becomes one! Also if you read the books, a lot of the book was from his POV so the writer built his character to do something. Robb never had a POV for example so his death wasnt a surprise. Ned's death was a surprise but it was needed for the story. It set off the whole war. Jon's death at this point of the story makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Right up front... I haven't read the books... but I think Jon's apparent death is important to the story to illustrate the entire collapse of the order of The Night's Watch. As long as the watcher's are on the wall... it will never fall. They have assassinated their leader, it can't get any worse than this. The wall will fall, because they have entirely finished with the set created for the wall, and are planning to open the set up for tourism. So the wall is done.

 

There is something in the show that I hear is not in the books. Melisandre, the red woman, is conveniently in Castle Black. In the book she's still with a very alive Stannis Baratheon. She took a mad interest in Jon Snow when she met him, and I believe she knows instinctively, that he has Targaryen blood. I think she will bring Snow back... but anytime something seems obvious in GoT... someone comes in and kills someone else, and blows your mind all over the place.

 

 

Well the Wall will fall thats for sure. The White Walkers cant enter the Seven Kingdoms as long as the Wall is there. But I dont see how that relates to Jon's death. They had their strongest commander die right before (Mormont), and Nights Watch is already fighting between themselves, so that is already being shown. Jon's death brings very little to the story.

 

In the book, Melisandre is at Castle Black too, not with Stannis. She actually even warns him of daggers in the darkness around him or something like that. So I am betting she will be the one to revive him.

 

Also I dont think the revived-Jon will go on a crusade to retake the North from the Boltons. Once the Wall falls and the Others rush in no one will care if the Boltons are the Warden of the North or the Starks. He will probably go on a guerilla warfare against the Walkers while Sansa rallies the North from Winterfell.

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Imran... I believe you are entirely correct. The 5th season was such a downer... I mean depressing. There was little to be optimistic about. I have heard that there will be more flashbacks from the past this season. Have to let us see more of the puzzle. I have also heard that they added an eighth season, can't be absolutely sure of that, but it's something that I heard. I do hope it's true.

 

 

 

 

 

Jon Snow can not die.

 

Yes.

 

But yeah I read articles on how Kit Harrington was seen around the set and how he still hasnt cut his hair while they were shooting the show. So they are trying to keep it hush hush.

 

Also, it wont make sense from the story point of view to kill him off..I mean why go through all the story about him becoming the lord Commander just to be killed off right after he becomes one! Also if you read the books, a lot of the book was from his POV so the writer built his character to do something. Robb never had a POV for example so his death wasnt a surprise. Ned's death was a surprise but it was needed for the story. It set off the whole war. Jon's death at this point of the story makes no sense whatsoever.

 

 

 

Right up front... I haven't read the books... but I think Jon's apparent death is important to the story to illustrate the entire collapse of the order of The Night's Watch. As long as the watcher's are on the wall... it will never fall. They have assassinated their leader, it can't get any worse than this. The wall will fall, because they have entirely finished with the set created for the wall, and are planning to open the set up for tourism. So the wall is done.

 

There is something in the show that I hear is not in the books. Melisandre, the red woman, is conveniently in Castle Black. In the book she's still with a very alive Stannis Baratheon. She took a mad interest in Jon Snow when she met him, and I believe she knows instinctively, that he has Targaryen blood. I think she will bring Snow back... but anytime something seems obvious in GoT... someone comes in and kills someone else, and blows your mind all over the place.

 

 

 

Well the Wall will fall thats for sure. The White Walkers cant enter the Seven Kingdoms as long as the Wall is there. But I dont see how that relates to Jon's death. They had their strongest commander die right before (Mormont), and Nights Watch is already fighting between themselves, so that is already being shown. Jon's death brings very little to the story.

 

In the book, Melisandre is at Castle Black too, not with Stannis. She actually even warns him of daggers in the darkness around him or something like that. So I am betting she will be the one to revive him.

 

Also I dont think the revived-Jon will go on a crusade to retake the North from the Boltons. Once the Wall falls and the Others rush in no one will care if the Boltons are the Warden of the North or the Starks. He will probably go on a guerilla warfare against the Walkers while Sansa rallies the North from Winterfell.

What will Jon do at the wall really? Half his men hated him enough to stàb him, same lot hates the wildnings, chances of wildnings and NW killing each other tbh is higher than ww killing them at this point in storyline. He knows NW is fucked and it's hopeless. Boltons will not buy the ww story, northern Lords will not disobey Boltons openly and leave their castles unguarded inopen defiance to fight Ww. So the way around all this mass is Jon Snow rallies the North, beats Boltons, and then readys for defense.

 

I do not think rallying the North would take much time. Northern Lords are itching for a stark to lead the fight, they detest Boltons. Rickon is there somewhere too.

 

Jon also knows there is no hope if North isn't united.

Imran... I believe you are entirely correct. The 5th season was such a downer... I mean depressing. There was little to be optimistic about. I have heard that there will be more flashbacks from the past this season. Have to let us see more of the puzzle. I have also heard that they added an eighth season, can't be absolutely sure of that, but it's something that I heard. I do hope it's true.

Flashbacks won't be from past season, but just past, like flashbacks about Jobs parents and the whole tiwer of the joy arc.

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Flashbacks won't be from past season, but just past, like flashbacks about Jobs parents and the whole tiwer of the joy arc.

Yes, Like the one of Cersei in the season 5 opener... I thought it was a really cool twist.

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