IRONclad
So Obama had his first veto over ridden by Congress, yesterday. The House voted 348-77 to override and the Senate voted 97-1 to override.
Makes you wonder what else might get overridden in his last few months of office. Now that bipartisan support appears to be showing for some issues.
The idea of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the enemy die for his.
Former Member of the VOC
IRON STATS Wars Fought: 13 POWs Taken: 2 Nations ZIed: 2 Aid Given: $341 Million
Recruits: 7 Alliances Fought: LSF, Sparta, VE, Umbrella, DBDC, STA
Alliance Seniority: 2,595 Days Soldier Casualties: 867,426 Att + 2,123,326 Def = 2,990,752
The IRON Maiden
( @ )( @ ) The official salute from women in the great, nudist nation of Secor. I'm naked and very excited to be here.
The Supercalifragalisticexpealadocious Award
"This award was custom made for a special person. Its gleam reflects the endearment of the people that she leads. Awarded to the IRON Maiden, Sister Midnight."
[center]~~A partner in Blade's crimes~~[center]Nukes taken for IRON since restarting on 6/10/2016: I stopped counting after 69.Sister Midnight has been Baptized in Fire and Blood and emerged as IRON!
The people of Antropomorphica join their leaders in welcoming the discovery of this previously unknown colony of Secor in the wilds of South America. They organised an airdrop of money and soldiers to protect this fledgling state as it undergoes construction (I mean... 1k infra at day 1 guys... come on!).
(@)#(@)
_ # _
_ # _
_ # _
8========D ~~
from our leaders to yours.
Honour Addict
What did he veto over that in turn got overridden?
Retired
Former member of VoC
Former Foxtrot MS, Echo XO, Foxtrot CO and Delta CO
For continued dedication and tenacity, both as warriors and as military officers. Yehom has been fighting with both his own nation and one he's been sitting and has been effective. He has also been pounding the pavement as Commanding Officer making sure every enemy has been covered.
Yehom has been Baptized in Fire and Blood and Emerged as IRON!
IRONclad
What did he veto over that in turn got overridden?
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/news/override-obama-veto-911-bill/
Family member of those killed during the 9/11 attacks can now sue Saudi Arabia over possible connections to terrorism. It essentially comes down to, was the Saudi Government possibly aware of Al Qaeda's imminent plan to attack the US? And if they were aware, what did they do with that information.
It is interesting to note, multiple US Intelligence agencies were very much aware Al Qaeda was planning an attack. If you read the 9/11 Commission Report, it demonstrates that due to laws, these intelligence agencies were not permitted to share suspicions and evidence among eachother. Citing laws/policies, almost all intel gathered had to be kept within its respective department. They all had individual pieces of the puzzle, but they could show one another what they had.
The idea of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the enemy die for his.
Former Member of the VOC
IRON STATS Wars Fought: 13 POWs Taken: 2 Nations ZIed: 2 Aid Given: $341 Million
Recruits: 7 Alliances Fought: LSF, Sparta, VE, Umbrella, DBDC, STA
Alliance Seniority: 2,595 Days Soldier Casualties: 867,426 Att + 2,123,326 Def = 2,990,752
Baptized
It is interesting to note, multiple US Intelligence agencies were very much aware Al Qaeda was planning an attack. If you read the 9/11 Commission Report, it demonstrates that due to laws, these intelligence agencies were not permitted to share suspicions and evidence among eachother. Citing laws/policies, almost all intel gathered had to be kept within its respective department. They all had individual pieces of the puzzle, but they could show one another what they had.
IRON King/Queen of Spam!!!
meh, you could file such a lawsuit in Belgium already. Alot of Congoleze are suing Congoleze politicians in belgian courts.
not getting far offcourse, the issue being those sued tend to not set foot anywhere near Belgium >_>
Same way that this law, while probably very gratifying to some, will be good for some circus courts going around suing people they can't touch anyway. 
Emperor of the Benelux
Founder of the Commonwealth of Planets
Founder and CEO of JF
Thirsty for moar
Even if they did come to US, they'd still be protected by Diplomatic immunity right?
no offices held rn
Get a trade circle here | ITF Guide | War Guide
Apply for War Aid | Delta Squad Bar
U had no mp no sdi no military wonder actually
Kuch bhi kaho bhai dilar admi ho tussi
Sunnny deol ho sunny deol
The differance between IRON and some rag tag alliance is the fact that we will fight with no reguard to our own nations. Putting the greater good of the whole before ourselves. Victory for all or they will have to fight us to the last point of infa in the last IRON nation. Every so often someone(s) will come around and exemplifie this. Living up to the IRON Values. It gives me great pleaser to baptize three of IRON's up and comers.
Fermion, you have been Baptized in Fire and Blood and Emerged as IRON!
IRON Rose
Even if they did come to US, they'd still be protected by Diplomatic immunity right?
Pretty much, yes. The US could declare them Persona Non Grata but only Saudi Arabia could prosecute.
"Baptized in Fire and Blood"
Retired
It is interesting to note, multiple US Intelligence agencies were very much aware Al Qaeda was planning an attack. If you read the 9/11 Commission Report, it demonstrates that due to laws, these intelligence agencies were not permitted to share suspicions and evidence among eachother. Citing laws/policies, almost all intel gathered had to be kept within its respective department. They all had individual pieces of the puzzle, but they could show one another what they had.
If I remember correctly, there was supposed to be a huge overhaul of the intelligence system to prevent that kind of compartmentalization. Not sure how or if it ever got implemented (correctly), but I do know the government was supposed to be trying to fix it.
Formerly King Hitler of Deutsche.
IRON Diplomacy: Being Nice to Alliances we're about to roll since 2007.
With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility and headaches.
Click to Add Me on FaceBook
Message Me to Apply for Diplomat Corps!
Ultimate Guide to CyberNations
Model Nations
Join Discord Here: Click ME!!
Get your Discord Member Mask Here!
Hit me up on RuneScape like it is 2008
Freshly IRONed
Congratulations. Your nation is two weeks old today. In celebration your citizens will experience +2 happiness today.
Your nation's defenses were considerably depleted today. As a result of your recent lack of defending security forces riots have sparked up within your nation and have thrown your government into Anarchy. The riots are expected to last until 10/2/2016 regardless of any action that you attempt to take. You will not be able to change your government until these riots end.
At least the people will experience +2 happiness
IRONclad
It is interesting to note, multiple US Intelligence agencies were very much aware Al Qaeda was planning an attack. If you read the 9/11 Commission Report, it demonstrates that due to laws, these intelligence agencies were not permitted to share suspicions and evidence among eachother. Citing laws/policies, almost all intel gathered had to be kept within its respective department. They all had individual pieces of the puzzle, but they could show one another what they had.
If I remember correctly, there was supposed to be a huge overhaul of the intelligence system to prevent that kind of compartmentalization. Not sure how or if it ever got implemented (correctly), but I do know the government was supposed to be trying to fix it.
Never got implemented. Not correctly at least. I know from my experience, the DOJ and military barely communicate. Military and CIA communicate on an "as-needed" basis but I dont know who is in charge of what exactly is "as-needed."
FBI, CIA, and Military rarely share intel to solve things. It seems like a dick measuring contest of who can.solve it first or who can hide what. Hence, information from Benghazi is so fubar. Honestly, communication within our own government is a fucking joke and pathetic. Even within individual agencies, its still a sad sight to watch.
Also, i swear he has had more vetoed but I believe it was the SCOTUS that has vetoed him. Not congress.
Long story short, changes were recommended for overhauling the cooperation and communication in regards to multiple agencies. However, very few of these were ever implemented and the majority never got off the drawing board. 15 years after 9/11, our intelligence communities are still communicating in an archaic and ineffective format. Major strides have been made on strengthening individual agencies, but a combined group effort is still incredibly lacking.
The idea of war is not to die for your country, it's to make the enemy die for his.
Former Member of the VOC
IRON STATS Wars Fought: 13 POWs Taken: 2 Nations ZIed: 2 Aid Given: $341 Million
Recruits: 7 Alliances Fought: LSF, Sparta, VE, Umbrella, DBDC, STA
Alliance Seniority: 2,595 Days Soldier Casualties: 867,426 Att + 2,123,326 Def = 2,990,752
Baptized
It is interesting to note, multiple US Intelligence agencies were very much aware Al Qaeda was planning an attack. If you read the 9/11 Commission Report, it demonstrates that due to laws, these intelligence agencies were not permitted to share suspicions and evidence among eachother. Citing laws/policies, almost all intel gathered had to be kept within its respective department. They all had individual pieces of the puzzle, but they could show one another what they had.
If I remember correctly, there was supposed to be a huge overhaul of the intelligence system to prevent that kind of compartmentalization. Not sure how or if it ever got implemented (correctly), but I do know the government was supposed to be trying to fix it.
Never got implemented. Not correctly at least. I know from my experience, the DOJ and military barely communicate. Military and CIA communicate on an "as-needed" basis but I dont know who is in charge of what exactly is "as-needed."
FBI, CIA, and Military rarely share intel to solve things. It seems like a dick measuring contest of who can.solve it first or who can hide what. Hence, information from Benghazi is so fubar. Honestly, communication within our own government is a fucking joke and pathetic. Even within individual agencies, its still a sad sight to watch.
Also, i swear he has had more vetoed but I believe it was the SCOTUS that has vetoed him. Not congress.
Long story short, changes were recommended for overhauling the cooperation and communication in regards to multiple agencies. However, very few of these were ever implemented and the majority never got off the drawing board. 15 years after 9/11, our intelligence communities are still communicating in an archaic and ineffective format. Major strides have been made on strengthening individual agencies, but a combined group effort is still incredibly lacking.
Thanks guys.
IRON Rose
Unfortunately, that wouldn't appeal to voters and is therefore not a viable option.Better step would be for US to join International court of justice.
"Baptized in Fire and Blood"
Tempered IRON
meh, you could file such a lawsuit in Belgium already. Alot of Congoleze are suing Congoleze politicians in belgian courts.
not getting far offcourse, the issue being those sued tend to not set foot anywhere near Belgium >_>
Same way that this law, while probably very gratifying to some, will be good for some circus courts going around suing people they can't touch anyway.
Even if they did come to US, they'd still be protected by Diplomatic immunity right?
Even if they did come to US, they'd still be protected by Diplomatic immunity right?
Pretty much, yes. The US could declare them Persona Non Grata but only Saudi Arabia could prosecute.
"The bill is near and dear to my heart as a New Yorker because it would allow the victims of the 9/11 to pursue some small measure of justice finally giving them the legal avenue to pursue foreign sponsors of a terrorist act that took the lives of their loved ones," said Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the chief Democratic sponsor.No it won't really. How can a citizen from one country actually sue someone from another country who will never come to the US?
While the persons themselves may not step foot in the USA. Saudi Arabia has a huge amount of assets in the USA that are not protected by Diplomatic immunity and can be seized by US courts for damages, penalties, costs etc. if it can be proved the owners of the assets are guilty. While money may not help those that died its loss would hurt those who aided those that launched the attacks.
0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users
Community Forum Software by IP.Board
Licensed to: Independent Republic of Orange Nations
Sign In
Create Account
Back to top
