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Politics getting too divisive now in USA. No matter the differences, they need to be settled, at the end of the day, on ballot, not guns, anywhere, under any condition. 

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/14/house-majority-whip-scalise-wounded-in-northern-virginia-shooting-reports-of-multiple-shots-fired-239539

 

 

Looks like a political ideological attack, does that constitute terrorism?



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Politics are getting too divisive? Extremist Liberals I think is more the term. Please, someone find me the last time a Conservative opened fire on Democratic lawmakers simply because they were Democrats.

 

The Dems keep getting dug a deeper and deeper grave, and best part is they keep digging it themselves!


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You people really like to antagonize eachother don't ya? You wuld think you folks are having a civil war from whats being posted on social media. Someone get the loudmouths ballgags and actually notice you folks aren't so different after all.

 

 

Politics are getting too divisive? Extremist Liberals I think is more the term. Please, someone find me the last time a Conservative opened fire on Democratic lawmakers simply because they were Democrats.

 

The Dems keep getting dug a deeper and deeper grave, and best part is they keep digging it themselves!

 

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The only reason this did not turn into the mass murder of Congressional Republicans, including Senator Rand Paul, is because Steve Scalise is the Majority Whip and part of Republican leadership. Leadership are the only ones given armed security... therefore there were 2 Capitol Officers present to return fire and stop this guy. Unknown heroes were discovered today.

 

Jared Lee Loughner, who shot Gabrielle Giffords, was not a Conservative, a Liberal, a Democrat, or a Republican. He was a nutcase. The guy who staged this attack this morning was a rabid Bernie Sanders zealot that referred to Hillary Clinton as "Republican Lite", and said that "Trump and company need to be destroyed". He tried to make good on that threat.

 

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 As someone who is deeply concerned about what is happening down south and has been following the disturbing trends in US politics for years, and has a political science background, I'd like to chip in my two cents.

 

Some of you have blamed "Extremist Liberals".

No.  It is Political Extremism period. 

Extremism in any form, whether to be right, left, conservative, or liberal is destructive.  The public discourse in the US has become so divisive and so toxic in the last decade or so, that the future of your country is jeopardy.

To lift a line from BBC, "In recent years, due to the over reliance on social media to stay informed and bloviating cable news, the US has divided into two alien camps.  That neither understand each other, nor have any desire to do so."  

If you are unfamiliar with "The Index of Failed States", have a look.  You'll notice that the US has been moving up on that list.  One of the main reasons for it, is growing political dysfunction.

The viability of a liberal democratic nation, and yes the USA is a liberal democratic nation (Stop booing and hissing, I'll get to it in a minute!), relies on political moderates.  People who can talk to one another, debate the issues using factually correct information, an come to a compromise. This ability is sadly lacking in the US.

Unfortunately, it not just happening in the US.  To some degree its happening in just about all of the Western Nations.

 

Now, about that whole Liberal Democratic Nation statement I just made.  Calm down and read! 

I like the way some of you use the word Liberal like its an insult. 

It isn't. 

In a very brief summation, Liberalism is best described as the belief that you should be able to lead your life with minimal government interference.  That government is formed by the people and governs with the consent of the people.  That it should always govern in their best interests.  That when a government fails in this responsibility, you as a citizen has the inherent right to duly reconstitute that government.  Sounding familiar? It should.

No, I'm not summarizing the Declaration of Independence or the US constitution.  I'm summarizing the first chapter of "The Second Treaties on Government" by John Locke.  John Locke is considered the founding father of Liberalism.  The founders of the US were huge fans of Locke and his writing.  These principles that Locke wrote about drove your revolution. 

Don't believe me?

Pick up a copy of "Second Treatise" and read it.  You'll notice the language is exactly the same.

Better yet.  I'm more than willing to assume that some of you are huge supports of the 2nd Amendment.  That as law abiding and responsible citizens you should be able to own a gun, or as many guns as you choose.  That my friend, is a very liberal belief.

Your Founding Fathers were liberals.  They used that ideology to found a nation steeped in the belief that "government for the people, by the people and of the people" was a natural wonderful thing.  That it is the people that rule, not some priest claiming to speak for a god, not some absolutist monarch.  That idea was revolutionary.

The Liberal Democracy that was founded in the USA has had a profound impact on the way we governed ourselves.   The French Revolution in 1786 and the Liberal Democratic revolution that swept Europe in the 1800's can all trace their origins back to the US Revolution, a revolution that gave birth to the first country based on the principals of Liberalism as described by Locke.

 

I don't understand how you can use the word Liberal as an insult. 


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The biggest problem is the Democrats are only interested in what makes the Democrats look good and the Republicans are only interested in what makes the Republicans look good. Neither are interested in what is good for the country. 


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HS... I appreciate your classic and accurate definition of "liberal", but in the USA these days, if someone identifies themselves as "liberal"... they're not advocating self government, or the right to bear arms... like liberating us from the Monarchy. They are declaring their support for liberal use of other people's money... also known as "Socialism". Sort of the same corruption of the English language such as "gay" doesn't mean your happy anymore, or a "fag" isn't tobacco rolled up in paper. "Progressive" doesn't mean your in favor of "progress"... it means your tax rate is progressively higher as your income is progressively higher... so in reality, it is economically "regressive", and doomed to fail.


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The biggest problem is the Democrats are only interested in what makes the Democrats look good and the Republicans are only interested in what makes the Republicans look good. Neither are interested in what is good for the country. 

 

Amen. Politics today is too much about bowing down to corporations and keeping a seat at the table.

 

Look at the current debt crisis. Democrats say we should raise taxes, mostly on the rich, to get out of it. Republicans say we should cut government spending. Of course, the answer is to do both. Will it happen? Not in this political climate. Both raising taxes AND cutting spending would be unpopular in an age where the only thing that matters is staying in office until something like this happens: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/republican-senator-john-mccain-senior-10587991

 

edit: Let's hope/pray for swift recovery for Steve Scalise and the others injured, including the officers who helped take down the gunman


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You people really like to antagonize eachother don't ya? You wuld think you folks are having a civil war from whats being posted on social media. Someone get the loudmouths ballgags and actually notice you folks aren't so different after all.

 

 

Politics are getting too divisive? Extremist Liberals I think is more the term. Please, someone find me the last time a Conservative opened fire on Democratic lawmakers simply because they were Democrats.

 

The Dems keep getting dug a deeper and deeper grave, and best part is they keep digging it themselves!

 

You asked.

 

In reality, there are too few instances of members of Congress being killed or wounded to draw any conclusions.  (Though, looking at the list, more Democrats have been killed or wounded than Republicans, though this is likely to be due to the fact that for much of US history, there were more Democrats in Congress than Republicans.)

 

Interestingly, the one time that multiple Congressmen were shot in a single incident was in 1954, when 5 were wounded by ... Puerto Rican nationalists.

 

So, while Lord Sunday is correct that there is not an analogous case of a shooting with the partisan roles reversed, he should take care to not overlook attacks that have been made or planned in the name of Conservative or Right-Wing extremism (a report on such incidents from the Anti-Defamation League is here, and some selected items described below).

  • The 2nd worst terrorist attack in the US (after the September 11 attacks), was the 1996 Oklahoma City bombing, which was an act of anti-government extremism, in which the perpetrators, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, would be assigned as some kind of extreme-Libertarians to extreme-Conservatives.
  • A mere year-and-a-half ago (Nov. 2015), Robert Lewis Dear, Jr., an evangelic Christian anti-abortion extremist (again, indicators of being an extreme-Conservative) shot 12 people at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado, killing three.
     

Really, HackSlash's point about extremists of any type is really the most correct response.

No.  It is Political Extremism period.


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Thank God this guy was a lousy shot! How do you fire so many rounds at multiple unarmed victims and miss almost every time? This guy had the element of surprise and he blew it. Its now being reported that the shooter used an SKS in the attack. The exact model is unknown and it is unknown if it was kept in factory condition. My 4 theories are these.

 

1. The shooter had little to no firearms training.

2. The shooter was not mentally prepared to handle a gunfight where people shoot back. He likely panicked which caused him to pull shots and conduct rapid fire without proper aiming practices.

3. The rifle was not adequately sighted (I'm willing to bet he adjusted the elevation but not windage as on an SKS that requires the use of a special tool).

4. Full Metal Jacket bullets were used instead of expanding hollow points.

 

A couple weeks ago, I predicated something of this nature would happen within the relatively near future. The increasingly violent rhetoric and actions of the extreme left. And the media pushing more and more tactics to divide Americans and incite hatred. The constant talk of engaging in violent actions against Republicans, almost to the point of encouraging it. It was only a matter of time until someone chose to take matters into their own hands. I highly doubt this incident will be the last time a far left extremist uses violence to get revenge or make a political statement.

 

There has never been a better time than now to get a CCW permit, routinely train with your weapon, and carry your weapon at all times when you are legally able to do so. If getting a firearm and weapons training doesn't interest you, than at least focus on improving your situational awareness. The late John Cooper, a US Marine and firearms instructor, created what is known as the Color Code. The Color Code is made up of 4 Conditions, each representing a different level of readiness and state of mind.

 

Condition White: Unattentive and unaware of your immediate environment. Walking around staring at your phone, not looking up and around you, or in a distracted state of mind. People having to respond to a threat in Condition White tend to adopt a deer in a headlights look or scream and then attempt to run when it might already be too late. The worst thing you can do is see a deadly threat occur and stay put (or in some instances pull out your phone to film it. Don't do that. Get Out!)

 

Condition Yellow: Slightly heightened readiness. More observant of your surrounds and its occupants. Checking what is behind you from time to time. Occasionally scanning and looking people in the eye as they approach you. Observing possible exit routes is another positive. If a deadly threat occurs you will be less caught off guard, able to respond quicker, and be in a better state of mind to formulate the best possible course of action to keep you safe.

 

Condition Orange: High readiness and moderate alert. Something or someone seems very out of place. You have identified a possible deadly threat and you may be required to take imminent action. Begin determining whether Fight or Flight is more appropriate. Attempt to avoid the threat and move away from it. In Condition Orange it is easy for the untrained to adopt Tunnel Vision and only focus on the possible threat that is in front of them. Check your surroundings as what you see in front of you may be a distraction, and the real threat is coming from your sides or behind you. It could very well be harmless, but why take the chance. It doesn't cost you anything, its all brainpower after all.

 

Condition Red: Maximum readiness and high alert. If a threat occurs, you will not be caught off guard and will be able to respond efficiently. Avoiding the fight (on your own) is no longer an option (it is still up to the other individual if they choose to follow through with an attack). You are ready to fight, respond with adequate force necessary to neutralize the threat, and then deescalate the situation after the threat ceases. The most important aspect of Condition Red is always operate within the confines of the law, only use what is necessary to defend yourself, stop the threat, and then back away. Do not give chase, and do not keep escalating the incident when the aggressor has given up and is clearly deescalating the attack.

 

Condition Yellow is what everyone should always use anytime outside of your home. Unfortunately, taking a quick look around any public place will demonstrate 99% of people are stuck in Condition White, completely oblivious to their surroundings. I personally have only been at Condition Orange once, and it is an experience I would like to share at a later date, so as not to derail this thread. I also have a friend who had a minor experience in Condition Orange and I too will eventually share that incident.


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Since the guy died we will never know what was in his mind. It's obvious he hated Republicans, and wanted to kill as many in Congress as he possibly could. Why he believed that murder was the best way to advance the cause of Bernie Sanders is anyone's guess. He could have blamed Republicans for all the problems of life. He probably wanted to go out as a hero of the left, and start a war in the process.

 

Not the sharpest blade in the shed, he chose to use a semi-automatic assault rifle in an open field. Someone his age, skill, and condition... he would not be very successful running down grown men that are out playing baseball. Sniping would have been his best choice if he was as smart as he was evil. Something tells me he was committed to dying for his cause, and wanted to go out in a loud, very large splash.

 

I'm stunned that our lefties here believe the best way to defend their position is to post scorecards. Really?


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Something tells me he was committed to dying for his cause, and wanted to go out in a loud, very large splash
 

 

Most gunmen, I believe, have already (and actually want) the death that usually comes. By dying, they feel they die a martyr and hero to their cause. On top of that, they don't have to face the punishment (lets be real. Life in prison is worse than death in my opinion. Living a life with no freedoms and no chance to obtain them in a miserable setting.) 

 

Anyway, this guy was an ass-hat and luckily more werent hurt


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The only reason this did not turn into the mass murder of Congressional Republicans, including Senator Rand Paul, is because Steve Scalise is the Majority Whip and part of Republican leadership. Leadership are the only ones given armed security... therefore there were 2 Capitol Officers present to return fire and stop this guy. Unknown heroes were discovered today.

 

Jared Lee Loughner, who shot Gabrielle Giffords, was not a Conservative, a Liberal, a Democrat, or a Republican. He was a nutcase. The guy who staged this attack this morning was a rabid Bernie Sanders zealot that referred to Hillary Clinton as "Republican Lite", and said that "Trump and company need to be destroyed". He tried to make good on that threat.

 

Maybe this will wake people up.

 

Not to diminish the responce and actions of said 2 officers, they did only shoot back AFTER he seems to have emptied his magazine correct? I have no idea about possible other weapons this person may have carried, but this does indicate that regardless of armed presence the actual shooting and victims would have been the same.

 

This fellow was a nutcase aswell, it is just that the victim's side is currently pouncing on there political enemy's instead of their personal enemy's (aka the nutcases who would do this). Stop trying to "wake people up" and actually be awake and acknowledge that either side could have had this happen to them. For all the "He first asked Dem/Rep?" quote, he could just as easly have started shooting if the reply was "Dem", his history has shown a complete contempt for government AT ALL.

 

The biggest problem is the Democrats are only interested in what makes the Democrats look good and the Republicans are only interested in what makes the Republicans look good. Neither are interested in what is good for the country. 

 

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I'm stunned that our lefties here believe the best way to defend their position is to post scorecards. Really?

 

Well alot of people are doing this "our side doesn't do this" line, I would rather hope that "NOBODY does this" line could be used, sadly not :(


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I'm stunned that our lefties here believe the best way to defend their position is to post scorecards. Really?

 

Someone makes a disingenuous point that "my side doesn't do this" gets told their point is disingenuous.

 

If someone doesn't want to be told off for making a disingenuous point, they shouldn't make one.
 

 

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but why isn't this terrorism? Clearly a politically motivated attack...whats up?  :ph34r:



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Not to diminish the responce and actions of said 2 officers, they did only shoot back AFTER he seems to have emptied his magazine correct? I
have no idea about possible other weapons this person may have carried, but this does indicate that regardless of armed presence the actual shooting and victims would have been the same.

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that even if armed security wasn't there the exact same amount of people would have been injured/or killed? Because I can guarantee you that if armed officers weren't there. We wouldn't be reading about multiple injuries, we would be reading about multiple fatalities.


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but why isn't this terrorism? Clearly a politically motivated attack...whats up?  :ph34r:

He was an assassin. His specific target was Republican Congressmen, not innocent people at random. His intent was to exact revenge on Republicans for Democrats losing an election. Lee Harvey Oswald was an assassin, not a terrorist. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. His intent was to make society pay for their policies. Are you personally offended by the "terrorist" label?

 

 

Someone makes a disingenuous point that "my side doesn't do this" gets told their point is disingenuous.   If someone doesn't want to be told off for making a disingenuous point, they shouldn't make one.     Violent extremism knows all ideologies, and anyone who claims otherwise is wrong.

Yes, I understand now. Republicans winning elections is considered violent extremism. So, to even the score Progressives need to destroy cities, poison the media, disrespect the President, hate your country, incite violence, and refuse to comply with the law. Yes, we are obviously cut from the same cloth. Until you guys can win elections... this is where you will be. Good luck with that.


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but why isn't this terrorism? Clearly a politically motivated attack...whats up?  :ph34r:

He was an assassin. His specific target was Republican Congressmen, not innocent people at random. His intent was to exact revenge on Republicans for Democrats losing an election. Lee Harvey Oswald was an assassin, not a terrorist. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. His intent was to make society pay for their policies. Are you personally offended by the "terrorist" label?

 

 

Someone makes a disingenuous point that "my side doesn't do this" gets told their point is disingenuous.   If someone doesn't want to be told off for making a disingenuous point, they shouldn't make one.     Violent extremism knows all ideologies, and anyone who claims otherwise is wrong.

Yes, I understand now. Republicans winning elections is considered violent extremism. So, to even the score Progressives need to destroy cities, poison the media, disrespect the President, hate your country, incite violence, and refuse to comply with the law. Yes, we are obviously cut from the same cloth. Until you guys can win elections... this is where you will be. Good luck with that.

 

 

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At times, I feel burdened to apologize for actions of people who have nothing to do with me or my religion or my beliefs but who act in the name of my religion. 

I don't know you well enough to know how you live your life... by the way you answered the question, I will just assume you are Muslim and follow the central text of Islam, The Quran. To me, Islam is a man made organization, a "club", a bunch of people that like hanging out together and doing the same thing. I myself, do not attach myself to any of these clubs. I don't want to hang out with any of them, or do the same things as they do. I also strongly believe that I should not be killed because I don't want to join the club.

 

I am on a Bowling team and participate in several leagues. To do this I must join the club. The club is the United States Bowling Congress, USBC for short. If any faction of the USBC began killing people for not bowling... we would have a big problem with that, and those people would either be dead or in prison. We would protect our club, or dissolve it... and before you say "it's not the same thing"... to me it is. It's just another club.

 

We don't want you to feel burdened to apologize for the actions of some of the members of your club. We do expect you to control your club, or dissolve it. Islam must take responsibility for what their club members do... and just saying "It's not me" is not enough. This may be a simple way to say it, but it's probably the best way for you to understand how most of the USA feels about it. If Islam needs help to control the club members... Islam needs to ask for it, because we will not just ignore it.


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but why isn't this terrorism? Clearly a politically motivated attack...whats up?  :ph34r:

 

Last i checked, terrorism is only allowed on religious grounds, haven't you heared >_>

 

 

 

Not to diminish the responce and actions of said 2 officers, they did only shoot back AFTER he seems to have emptied his magazine correct? I
have no idea about possible other weapons this person may have carried, but this does indicate that regardless of armed presence the actual shooting and victims would have been the same.

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that even if armed security wasn't there the exact same amount of people would have been injured/or killed? Because I can guarantee you that if armed officers weren't there. We wouldn't be reading about multiple injuries, we would be reading about multiple fatalities.

 

 

You kinda got it, hence I asked "Did he have any other weapons?". From reports thusfar I have gathered that reaction from armed officers happended after him shooting, as happens in most cases of shootings. We will likely never know what would have transpired if the attacker wasn't incapacitated as fast as he was, I am rather just trying to burst the bubble of the idea that any armed presence could totally prevent such incident from happening.


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