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[ccabal86]

I will have to agree that the emotion-fueled shitshow some have been running, especially when immigration is concerned pisses me off to no end. You could see this all over the media during the migrant crisis of 2015. I've been shouting about how we had no idea just what kind of people were crossing into Europe by the hundreds of thousands, but all I got back as a response was "BUT LOOK AT THAT CRYING BABY THERE"

I felt like I could personally bitchslap every European leader. Fortunately it seems that SLOOOOWLY the severity of the situation dawned on them.

[Lysistrata]

Yep... and as adorable as little crying Sophia may be, her father could be big angry Jihadi Jabul... and if there is any risk whatsoever with their presence in my country, little crying Sophia will be sharing the same plane with big angry Jihadi Jabul back to Awkbaristan.

[onbekende]

Progressives love to exploit, spotlight, and use children in an effort to pull heartstrings over to advance their agenda. To Conservatives, it's a pretty disgusting tactic, because we cannot run our country on emotions. A big part of their agenda is open borders and a global one world government. The election of Donald Trump has really hurt their movement.

 

 

Don't give us crap that only the "progressive side" (which ever you deem progressive is a moot point it seems, what about "one world gov" screams progressive is beyond me...) is the seemingly sole user of "but our children" rethoric, everyone under the sun has done that line, to the death. (heck you even used it ^^post above )

 

Don't run on emotions you say? Well stop praying to your almighty then, cause that is emotion aswell. Or are you just mindless zealots masquerading as hivemind ants?

[Lysistrata]

Don't run on emotions you say? Well stop praying to your almighty then, cause that is emotion aswell. Or are you just mindless zealots masquerading as hivemind ants?

I'm agnostic in every regard to any religion. I don't know where you ever got the idea that I'm a religious man, and this is pretty hard to say, but my religious beliefs are on the same page as Bill Maher. Where my opinion differs is I see nothing wrong with anyone that finds comfort in living their life for "God"... but when your life for God hurts other people, there is something seriously wrong with you, and your religion. On the other hand, people that hurt others because they live their life for God, have likewise, something seriously wrong with them. We must always remember that it's freedom "of" religion", not freedom "from" religion.

 

Many more people have died in the name of God, than God has ever saved.

[onbekende]

excellent, then stop saying anything religious in terms of USA policy and its morals. At the same time you just might denouce the GOP in its entirety, enough bible thumpers in that sour the entire brood.

[Fox Fire]

Transexuals and transgenders are two different things. IDC what anyone decides they are as long as sex matches sex on official documentation. In any case, this is just one step forward with repealing don't ask don't tell, and another step back with this. Infinite wisdom indeed....

 

 

 

If a person is (for example) male, is AWARE of this fact, but chooses to live as a female, then so be it. It's PERSONAL CHOICE.   If a person is male, but is CONVINCED that he is actually a female, living in a male body, then somethig isn't right

 

The way I see it, only the first one is real. Anyone who looks at their penis and somehow thinks they have a vagina is indeed disturbed, if that's even real.

 

 

 

Have the military and VA not cover transitioning surgeries, and transgender soldiers are allowed to serve.

 

Indeed.

 

 

 

how do they know what it feels like to be a woman if their body has never and will never produce egg cells - a very distinct characteristic specific only to females.

 

^Very much this^

 

 

 

First. serving in the US armed forces is not a right, so no rights are being taken away. You may consider it discrimination, but with a little stats and studies you can show no discrimination is in play.

 

In most countries, people try to avoid getting conscripted. In America, people try to get conscripted. :V

[Lysistrata]

excellent, then stop saying anything religious in terms of USA policy and its morals. At the same time you just might denouce the GOP in its entirety, enough bible thumpers in that sour the entire brood.

I am an American citizen. I will express all my opinions about any USA policy I choose. I am a proud Republican, and I always have been my entire life. No one tells me which political party to support, I made that choice long ago, and of my own free will.

 

You don't have to be aligned with any religion to be a Republican. Many Christians will support the Republicans because of their pro-life position on abortion. I don't care about abortion, as long as I'm not paying for them.

 

I am a Republican because I believe in small, limited, Federal Government, the rights of all American citizens under the Constitution, and personal responsibility. I vote in every local, state, and national election. Most of my political donations are made to defeat politicians and proposals I strongly disagree with.

 

This is what I am, this is what I do, and this is why I do it. You are in Belgium, and you do none of this.

 

Now please tell me, which one of us should not be talking about USA policies?

[onbekende]

You speak for the core Republican ideology, the very backbone it has fostered for decades. Now tell me the current crop of "Republican" governing your nation is in line with that ideology?

 

The President has ousted a group of people to be eligable for military service, he hasn't just banned a specific medical procedure, he is willing to ban the entire lot in a the way that during "don't ask, don't tell" someone coming out would be outed all together. I'd say he is overstepping on the ousting but in his right with just the procedure. I think we actually agree on this no?

[Kim Jong Poon]

If someone wants to risk their life for their government's agenda, it seems incredibly petty to restrict that on the basis of how they define their gender. Hell, post Iraq, the US has had to massively drop their recruitment standards, yet Trump decides that a proportion of those are not good enough, based on an arbitrary factor?

I am massively anti-war, but even I think this is a ludicrous restriction on people who wish to put their patriotism into action.

[Lysistrata]

You speak for the core Republican ideology, the very backbone it has fostered for decades. Now tell me the current crop of "Republican" governing your nation is in line with that ideology?

 

The President has ousted a group of people to be eligable for military service, he hasn't just banned a specific medical procedure, he is willing to ban the entire lot in a the way that during "don't ask, don't tell" someone coming out would be outed all together. I'd say he is overstepping on the ousting but in his right with just the procedure. I think we actually agree on this no?

I don't "speak for the core Republican ideology"... I speak for myself. I support Republicans because I am opposed to, or have no concern over, anything Democrats believe are important, or what they believe the Federal Government has any business doing.

 

My opinion on modified humans is my own, based on common sense, and hopefully taken into consideration. There is no way possible for a man to become a woman... and vise versa. Turning a man into a woman is equivalent to attempting to change a 2012 Ford F150 pickup truck into a 1963 Chevrolet Corvette. You can cosmetically make some things resemble the Corvette... but it will never be a Corvette. That resolves the whole conundrum over the question if anyone can change their gender.

 

Now lets take on the mental aspect. A man who wants to be a woman, goes to a moron of a doctor, and asks him to chop off his dick so he can be a woman. Now, instead of this doctor telling this guy he's bat shit crazy... he takes the money, and chops off his dick. A man having his dick chopped off doesn't make him a woman... it makes him a man who had his dick chopped off. That's lunacy.

 

The US Military is not in the business of employing people. The US Military exists to maintain defense of the country, and wage war. It's not a complicated entity, and we have very capable people charged with the responsibility to lead them. I have no intention to interfere with how they accomplish this.

 

If someone doesn't even know what gender they are, I don't feel comfortable with them handling multi-billion dollar equipment, nor do I have confidence in their motivation to serve in the military to begin with. I myself know a few jobs these people that don't have the mental capacity to understand their own gender, can do... clear mine fields... expose sniper locations... assassinate gay enemy commanders... things like that.

 

Burning brain cells over such stupid issues is really unproductive, and should be dismissed as irrelevant.

[onbekende]

Guess your sole problem is the psychological side of it, just hope you don't follow such rethoric by claiming someone with a psych issue "weak of mind"...

 

Stop beating around the bush and agree that you can agree with my sentiment of "no to group, yes to procedure", or do you really want to throw anyone out who has a mentality skewed against your own? Might want to throw everyone out then methinks.

 

As for you being a republican, I meant that the majority (or near all) of your convictions are aligned with what I consider "core GOP ideology", with an added that that it is past/present ideology but not necesairly future.

[Lysistrata]

Guess your sole problem

It's not my problem. In my opinion, it should not be the problem of the US Military either. If my opinion mattered, I would make many changes... and they would be absolutely the first ones cut. So in lieu of my opinion mattering, I'll vote Republican... because it's Democrats that are just creating a problem where there was not a problem before. That's what they like to do.

[Yehom]

I support Republicans because I am opposed to, or have no concern over, anything Democrats believe are important, or what they believe the Federal Government has any business doing.

I get the feeling you're more anti-Democrats than per se pro-Republican. If that's true, that's a sure way to create a toxic environment if the majority of people thinks that way.  

[Lysistrata]

 

I support Republicans because I am opposed to, or have no concern over, anything Democrats believe are important, or what they believe the Federal Government has any business doing.

I get the feeling you're more anti-Democrats than per se pro-Republican. If that's true, that's a sure way to create a toxic environment if the majority of people thinks that way.  

 

If the Libertarians could win, I would support them. They can't beat the Progressives nationally... only the GOP can do that currently.

[DarkFox]

First. serving in the US armed forces is not a right, so no rights are being taken away. You may consider it discrimination, but with a little stats and studies you can show no discrimination is in play.

 

The reason this is such a big deal now, is because of two things. Follow the money, any politics any where, you can find the motives by following the money. These surgeries are not cheap, and the military is getting force to do some, as has been presented above.

The second thing which is way worse now, is Republican VS Democrat. If it's sponsor by the Rep. it will be heavily opposed by the Dems. If the Dems sponsor something it will be opposed by the Rep, but also heavy supported by the Democrat voters as a truth. Republican will fight with each other over issues, while democrats just go with whatever is being presented.

 

When I mentioned rights, I meant the right to be treated the same as everyone else. For example with the ban someone who has already transitioned and is fully the gender they want to be and would need no surgery or anything and wouldn't be allowed to join. When the military says no to people it is usually because of a medical concern that would impede duty. As for the surgeries like onbekende said Viagra costs dwarf the sex changes. The cost for the surgeries cost between 2.4mil and 8.4mil, where as treatment for erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to $84 million annually. With 41.6 million of that is on Viagra alone. If they cut those surgeries, which I think they should, they should also stop the treatment for erectile dysfunction. 

 

But yeah I completely agree with you, this is just fighting between Republicans and Democrats. 

[onbekende]

 

Guess your sole problem

It's not my problem. In my opinion, it should not be the problem of the US Military either. If my opinion mattered, I would make many changes... and they would be absolutely the first ones cut. So in lieu of my opinion mattering, I'll vote Republican... because it's Democrats that are just creating a problem where there was not a problem before. That's what they like to do.

 

 

I am all for being conservative like the word is described in the dictionary, I however lean towards steady progress instead of regression like many of the GOP would like.