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@Deathmerchant: they were going up under Obama to, you thank him?

 

Obama took office during the worst of the US Recession. The stock market had nowhere to go but up.

 

While I am grateful for the stock market increase under Obama's Presidency, those 8 years were a bit of a financial roller coaster. I recall many people were terrified of large scale investing because they were concerned about where the economy was going, the Affordable Care Act, the inconsistent US foreign policy. Very few individuals could say with a straight face that your investments will be worth more in 3-5 years, let alone worth the same exact value you put in. Conservative investing was the safe choice under Obama's 2 terms, I would have felt quite nervous had I been engaged in more aggressive investing. Of course, loses can be managed properly by not sticking all your eggs in 1 or 2 baskets, but nevertheless I still had a great degree of hesitancy.

 

Now that Trump is President, I do feel more confident in our country's economy and our stock market. I actively pursue more aggressive investing while still maintaining a diversified portfolio. The results have been quite lucrative for me so far. I won't get into the raw numbers, but figuratively speaking, some of these stock prices went through the roof.

 

 

So would you agree that Obama did a fine job in getting the US out of that recession?

 

What US foreign policy inconsistancies? Was it Obama warming up to Russia (until Crimea) and Iran (with a treaty, which you may dislike but atleast there was talking). Heck he even smacktalked China, something you would approve of yes?

 

Not in the slightest do I agree Obama did a decent job on fixing our country's economy. Based on my own experiences from 2010-2014, the US economy was gradual pulling out of the recession on its own. Don't get me wrong, some of Obama's policies did a little to assist the recession, but half of them at the time seemed to be kicking the hurting economy back down. I spoke earlier in regards to Obamacare and that really hurt market stability. I cannot stress enough that every single NY resident I spoke to during those years about investing, said the economy and market was way too unstable to trust long term. In 2011, there was speculative talk a double dip recession might happen. The last one happened in the late 30s, while we can argue about speculative theories, some evidence was occurring in 2011 that it could have become a possibility.

 

I'm surprised you asked about Obama's Foreign Policy Failures, its kind of a semi well known joke. He escalated the war in Afghanistan during 2009 with the failed 'Surge', did the Russian 'Reset' which did absolutely nothing as no follow up was every done to improve relations or attempt some major concrete changes, increased CIA Drone Strikes throughout the Middle East by expanding the War On Terror, Air Operation of Libya (which morphed from a relatively straightforward No Fly Zone into an operation seeking regime change, Mission Creep was a huge factor in the Libyan intervention), drew the Red Line in Syria and backpedaled constantly on whether to launch attacks, backed down over the Russian invasion of Crimea, gave us the one sided Iran deal, allowed ISIS to pour over from Syria into Iraq (even with a routing Iraqi Army, US air power and Special Forces could easily have halted an advancing ISIS attack, but instead allowed them to control and manifest their gained territory into hardened positions before finally caving to pressure and launching air attacks). I'm sure I'm missing other failures as well. His Foreign Policy was rife with inconsistency and incompetence.


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Peter Strzok has been fired from the FBI. He led the investigation of Hillary Clinton, and started the counter-intelligence investigation of Donald Trump. I doubt he was fired for coming in late too often. He joins Andrew McCabe, the other conspirator fired.

The noose is tightening.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/13/fbi-fires-peter-strzok-months-after-anti-trump-texts-revealed.html


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Peter Strzok has now started an anti-Trump Twitter account, and opened a GoFundMe page. He wants $150,000 to "defend himself, and the FBI, against these political attacks". Sounds about right for an honest, proud, upstanding, lifelong, FBI public servant that had never, not once, let his personal bias influence his work. Yeah right Pete... we believe you.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/13/fired-fbi-agent-peter-strzok-sets-up-anti-trump-twitter-account-gofundme-page-seeking-150g.html

 

This just in: OMG! Who the hell called this one?

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/08/13/trump_tower_meeting_looks_increasingly_like_a_setup.html


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Here's what to expect from Congress. Trey Gowdy talking about what's coming. The clarion call from the left is that Strzok was fired because of his anti-Trump emails, and political reasons because Trump wanted it. More fake news. Strzok was "probably" fired for reasons we don't even know yet... my guess is he was fired for withholding information from the FISA Court... a much more serious offence, but the FBI likes to handle things internally, doesn't explain itself to anyone, nor does it often answer questions from the media. Trey always gives us the lowdown.


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@Lys: excellent, let the flow of justice go on them then. If all true like you want it to be, it sounds like BOTH parties got balls deep into russian ties, perhaps time to purge all? >_>

 

@Death: not much inconsistancy between US congress withholding Obama's plans (hello republicans) and current notion that US should do squad on foreign soil, what you actually want is just to highlight several instances of foreign policy you just didn't like. Heck even just calling the Iran deal "1 sided" shows that.


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If all true like you want it to be, it sounds like BOTH parties got balls deep into russian ties, perhaps time to purge all?

What I want is the truth, and there is always just enough redaction to keep the questions flowing.

 

Strzok was fired now, at this precise time, on purpose. There is something coming out soon that would make someone at the top look completely stupid if he were still employed with the FBI. It must involve all those redactions in the FISA application that will soon have to be exposed.

 

My guess is it's all the bad information fed to the FBI from Ohr, that came from Fusion GPS, financed by Clinton and the DNC, to obtain garbage from Steele, that all leads right to John Brennan and his phony spies. The Trump Tower meeting was a setup that baited an extremely ignorant and eager Trump campaign into what can be turned into the appearance of a crime.

 

Always remember, Donald Jr. was extremely inexperienced with the evils of politics, and completely unaware that he was stepping right into a trap. They thought they were getting dirt on Hillary to help them win... what they got was an on the record meeting with foreign agents. I don't think what they did was a crime, but it's the appearance of nefarious behavior, and they can say they lied about it to the FBI, which is a crime. That's what they wanted. Unfortunately for all these people, Hillary lost the election. Panic to cover their ass, and the destroy Trump machine, took over.


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@ Death: not much inconsistancy between US congress withholding Obama's plans (hello republicans) and current notion that US should do squad on foreign soil, what you actually want is just to highlight several instances of foreign policy you just didn't like. Heck even just calling the Iran deal "1 sided" shows that.

It wasn't just several inconsistencies of foreign policy I had issues with. It was his Administration's 8 YEARS of Foreign Policy confusion. Ask any American, even the ones who fully supported Obama, they will all probably say the same thing. If they had to pick the worst aspect of Obama, they would say it was his Foreign Policy.

 

The Iran deal was a horrible agreement the US should never have accepted. If Europe wanted to negotiate alone then that is how it should have gone. The US didn't have to cave 1 inch, we flat out didn't owe Iran anything. Life in the rest of the world would have gone along perfectly fine had a deal never been signed. Should have let their regime collapse under economic sanctions, and then have them come crawling back to the negotiating table.


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Trump just revoked Obama's former CIA Director, John Brennan, of his security clearence. BOOM!


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I have been batting a good average with my hunches. I have another one.

 

The media has gone crazy over John Brennan getting his security clearance revoked by Trump. At first I only thought it was done to blow Omarosa off the headlines. It was very successful at doing that, but I do believe there is more Trump genius at work here. Brennan is not the only one that Sarah Sanders mentioned today... she also named many others involved in the Russia conspiracy.

 

It took about a nanosecond for every lefty pundit and politician to circle the wagons, and come to the defense of John Brennan. I've heard rantings about a Nixonian Enemies List, abuse of power, denying Brennan of his 1st Amendment rights, and silencing his critics. I have a strong feeling that many more of these are coming down the pike. I think we will see the lefty pundits of fake news, and the Maxine Waters crazy Democrat Army, come completely unhinged... just when it all comes down about how many crimes these people have perpetrated on an American election, and a sitting President. I think he's setting them all up to be horribly humiliated... right before a very important mid-term election.

 

We all have to remember that Trump knows much more about everything going on than we do... and he has been utterly underestimated by everyone that hates him since the beginning. I have been wondering why he hasn't fired Jeff Sessions yet. Maybe Jeff Sessions is more busy than we know? We all must remember that the President is still the boss of Robert Mueller, and I've been wondering how long Trump will allow this to continue without blowing the lid off it. I think he's setting them all up, because they set him up first. I could be wrong, but I have a pretty good record of guessing what is next so far.


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Yes get to the truth, please clean up all the Dems vs Reps idiots that your entire political system is infested with cause you idiots don't understand what a poison a 2-party system actually is.

 

 

 

@ Death: not much inconsistancy between US congress withholding Obama's plans (hello republicans) and current notion that US should do squad on foreign soil, what you actually want is just to highlight several instances of foreign policy you just didn't like. Heck even just calling the Iran deal "1 sided" shows that.

It wasn't just several inconsistencies of foreign policy I had issues with. It was his Administration's 8 YEARS of Foreign Policy confusion. Ask any American, even the ones who fully supported Obama, they will all probably say the same thing. If they had to pick the worst aspect of Obama, they would say it was his Foreign Policy.

 

The Iran deal was a horrible agreement the US should never have accepted. If Europe wanted to negotiate alone then that is how it should have gone. The US didn't have to cave 1 inch, we flat out didn't owe Iran anything. Life in the rest of the world would have gone along perfectly fine had a deal never been signed. Should have let their regime collapse under economic sanctions, and then have them come crawling back to the negotiating table.

 

Life for the rest of the world was also going perfectly fine with that treaty, or are you still annoyed that Obama gave them back their money?

 

Iran would have sooner blown up the Middle East then "crawl back to ...", but then again you prefer a stick to diplomacy. Atleast it now seems the current Republican War for Re-election target will be Turkey of all places, guess we should start a pool about who gets chosen next.

 

Trump just revoked Obama's former CIA Director, John Brennan, of his security clearence. BOOM!

 

And last time I thought the WH couldn't remove such clearance, guess they found their button back... Now if only they could kick that shadow working Jared into gear, on how many SF86's has that guy filed yet?

 

Also unsure how he even fits into this mess, except for being critical of Trump, which I guess is just a no-no. Don't talk bad about the emperor or he will remove your clothes >_>

 

Brennan also just got support from half still living CIA (dep) directors, of both sides of the aisle, aint seeing how this is a "victory". (even more cause this doesn't stop Brennan from being vocal against Trump, it just stopped the CIA from asking Brennan for advice on ops run under his administration.


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Also unsure how he even fits into this mess, except for being critical of Trump, which I guess is just a no-no. Don't talk bad about the emperor or he will remove your clothes

John Brennan was Obama's CIA Director, and more than likely, the subject of most of the redactions in the FISA application. Foolish to believe that he had his security clearance revoked just because he talks bad about Trump. I believe Bruce Ohr will lose his clearance next, and more outrage from the Trump haters will reach epic proportions. He still works at the DOJ, and losing his clearance will be equal to firing him. This will continue until Trump declassifies the FISA application, and they are all implicated in conspiring to frame the President. All the people defending these guys will go down with them.

 

The Manafort trial is ending up as a big nothing. I believe it will end in a hung jury. Everyone knows Paul Manafort would not have been thrown into solitary confinement, and be on trial right now for old unpaid taxes, if Donald Trump was not elected President. If there is one jurist out of the twelve that is a Trump supporter, it will end in a hung jury.

 

Two years of investigation on Trump, and they have nothing. In the meantime, 10 top Obama government officials that worked on the Clinton and Trump investigations have either been fired, demoted, reassigned, or quit their jobs. The more evidence that comes out, the more these people lose their careers. I have never seen anything more obvious.


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Life for the rest of the world was also going perfectly fine with that treaty, or are you still annoyed that Obama gave them back their money?

Of course it was their money, or more correctly, assets belonging to the former Iran before the 1979 Revolution. That money should have been liquidated by the US Government. Their country no longer existed, and their new government proved to be downright evil. Countries have liquidated foreign assets since the beginning of time whenever relations go south. Why is it shocking if the US were to do it?

 

Call me cold hearted, but I have no sympathy for a regime that holds rallies and parades chanting "Death to America". I feel pain for the Iranian people themselves, but not their tyrannical leadership.


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Two years of investigation on Trump, and they have nothing. In the meantime, 10 top Obama government officials that worked on the Clinton and Trump investigations have either been fired, demoted, reassigned, or quit their jobs. The more evidence that comes out, the more these people lose their careers. I have never seen anything more obvious.

 

 

And how many years you lot been after Hillary now? >_>

 

 

So if this comes back as a "CIA baits Trump campaighn" spiel, how likely would it be if the same tactic was used against the Hillary campaighn? Might even wonder if both sides got an "offer you can't refuse" deal but seems only 1 took the bait. Plus it was clearly botched up by Comey then, cause he either should have stayed quiet for a week or speak about Trump investigation at the same time, clearly incompitence :D

 

 

Meanwhile Manafort's trial was pre-trump era completly, don't see how it would invalidate more recent illegalities...


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BOOM! This is what I've been waiting for... shit is gonna hit the fan now.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/17/trump-orders-feds-to-declassify-key-fisa-documents-text-messages-in-fbi-russia-probe.html

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This being the same ones Nunes kept balking about but never actually moved of his arse to go and see?

 

yep, seems to be the same ones... Even likewise in that Trump himself didn't read them but wants to release them cause his good friends from inside the moving picture box (aka Fox) "asked him".


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This being the same ones Nunes kept balking about but never actually moved of his arse to go and see?

 

yep, seems to be the same ones... Even likewise in that Trump himself didn't read them but wants to release them cause his good friends from inside the moving picture box (aka Fox) "asked him".

Time for everyone to see the truth. The unredacted application, and revealed text messages, will expose the players and motivations behind this investigation. What I find most humorous is the media outlets that will report anything that falls in their laps, suddenly concerned that the release of this information will destroy the country. I'm not afraid of knowing the truth. Soon, everyone will know.


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I noticed most media would pounce on it anyway, perhaps their talking points would be different, but pouncing they will.

 

And in that is was is more worrying then the actual exposition, it is the talking points and "here is how you should view it" that has been skewed into mere propaganda on either side. The only things not "framed by talking head X, Y and Z" is childrens programs! Sure it is nice to have background when certain "less then easy to digest" material gets thrown around, but you folks clearly lost the line between news and commentary.


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