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[TW-08] IRON Mafia - Day 5

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And lets look at another glaring  and perhaps the biggest mistake in your defense/attempt to shift the blame from you to me. 
 




Alrighty. I misread it.


N4 - I investigated Col. Medved and got a guilty
I chose him because he was leading the wagon on MK, who I believed (correctly) to be not scum

Conclusions: I believe that I am an insane cop, I got a guilty Reading on Robert who is not guilty, which makes me think that my not guilty readings are incorrect and Brewers and Medved are scum.

If
Medved and Brewers are the first two names on MK (not scum). They were poking him before WP was lynched, knowing that MK would become belligerent and inappropriate when on the defensive (he always does).

VOTE BREWSKY

FOS Col. Medved

 

If you are an insane cop, that would mean the guilty you got on medved would make him town, yet here you are saying he is your #2 suspect.  So you are legit contradicting yourself here. Hell, you straight up say you got a not guilty result on CM, yet above it says guilty.  Its a pretty well thought out defense there, but you slipped up with the FoS on medved and how you named him as your second most likely suspect.  

Alrighty. I misread it.


N4 - I investigated Col. Medved and got a guilty
I chose him because he was leading the wagon on MK, who I believed (correctly) to be not scum

Conclusions: I believe that I am an insane cop, I got a guilty Reading on Robert who is not guilty, which makes me think that my not guilty readings are incorrect and Brewers and Medved are scum.

If
Medved and Brewers are the first two names on MK (not scum). They were poking him before WP was lynched, knowing that MK would become belligerent and inappropriate when on the defensive (he always does).

VOTE BREWSKY

FOS Col. Medved

 

You are correct. Col. Medved is town. However YOU are not.

that is very interesting SM, and a pretty strong defense.  Only problem is a) its extremely convenient and b ) has two MAJOR flaws.  MK claimed cop and you never made any attempt to counter MK.  If you were actually the cop, you would have had a pretty good feeling that MK was lying about his role as a cop,

I believed and still believe there is more than one cop. We already had a cop die., SBG. He was described with vanilla as modifier.

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  • Brewersalliance
  • CampinKiller
  • Colonel Medved
  • iSocialism (SeaBeeGipson), a Town Jailkeeper, has been blown up on night 3.
  • KevinH (Brewersalliance), a Town Non-Consecutive Night Voyeur, was smashed by the IRON Christmas tree on night 2.
  • Kverst (Mandarijn), a Town Non-Consecutive Night Watcher, was killed on night 4.
  • Lachiton
  • Lord MK (Hertt), a Vanilla Townie, has been lynched on day 4.
  • Nadarr
  • Rafay
  • Robert (Sister Midnight), a Town Non-Consecutive Night Follower, was killed on night 4.
  • SeaBeeGipson (Rhizoctonia), a Town Vanilla Cop, has been stabbed in the back on night 1.
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  • Wolfpacks (Matt Miller), a Mafia 1-Shot Lynchproof/3-Shot Role Cop, was lynched on day 3.
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Why call SBG a vanilla town cop? Because there non-vanilla cops. WP was a Mafia 1 shot lynchproof, 3 shot ROLE cop. I am an insane cop. Lots of modifiers on most of the power roles.

I think it is entirely possiblele that there is more than one cop, or more than one jailor for that matter

I said that right after SBG was killed because I’m a cop. I did not know about the other, scum cop, yet. I had no reason to doubt MK’s claim and I even said I believed him, although I was not sure about his claim.

If I’m an insane cop, and I’m pretty sure I am, because Robert came up guilty, but was town, then Medved is town. because he came up guilty. Brewers came up not guilty, therefore he is scum.

As I said I investigated Brewers first because he is so good at manipulating. The guy lives to sell, he knows what buttons to push, how to confuse, how to charm. He could sell furnaces on the equator and make a great living doing it! He will do a great sell to everyone that I’m scum. He’s a lying scum.

VOTE BREWERS and we’ll get rid of another scum.

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Just to be clear I miss spoke when I fingered cm
And I hate playing this game on an iPad. It takes forever to reference past posts./whine

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Just to be clear I miss spoke when I fingered cm
And I hate playing this game on an iPad. It takes forever to reference past posts./whine

Just as I figured you would do, you are now changing your tune on medved knowing your argument has been blown apart.  You didnt bother clarifying you misspoke about medved, but you did bother to clarify you misspoke about thinking you were dead... i had to point out your medved lie -which by the way makes your entire argument against me nul and void -for you to even realize it. 

 

We now have had three cop claims.  Two of them were lies.  Sm is now claiming cop-which btw she never bothered to counter either of the cop claims.  Lets just look at her posts regarding MK's cop claim. Lets start from the top

 

I believe MK. Idk who else to vote for aside from WP. Hopefully he is only one shot lynchproof .
 

I think this is a hard core bus attempt.  SM is scum partner is busted by Kverst.  MK comes out and claims cop.  SM sees this and goes oh crap MK is the cop, and I know WP is scum cause hes my partner.  I am going to believe MK publicly and then vote WP and hope no one else votes WP today since the deadline was 43 min away, and worst case if hes lynched I look more town.   If she was actually the cop she would not have said "I believe MK".  She would have had a HUGE reason to think he was lying!

 

Idk know that MK is not scum, but I see little evidence of him being scum and a good amount of evidence to the contrary.
 

SM thought MK's role claim was believable, even tho she says she is the cop?  How does that even make sense.  She isnt the cop and tried to gain "townie points"  by posting she thinks MK actually was the cop, because I truly feel she thought MK was the cop.

 

Idk know that MK is not scum, but I see little evidence of him being scum and a good amount of evidence to the contrary.
 

IF SM was actually the cop, it sure stands to reason she would have a ton of evidence for him to be lying and not the cop, since after all, MK claimed cop.  And then she claims the evidence points to the contrary that MK is town?  Come on, lets be real.  If SM was really the cop she would not have said the evidence points to MK being town, since she would know he is lying and no one in their right mind would think a townie would so hard fake role claim like MK did.  Again, this only makes sense if SM is actually not the cop, which she is not.

 

I am not CONFIDENT that he’s town, confident is too strong a word. That said, he role claimed and confirmed that WP, aka scum, was scum. That makes me think he’s what he says he is.
 

Again, SM constantly stating she thought MK was actually the cop.  This is just blatant evidence that SM is not the cop and is lying.

 

and finally this

 

 

 

I'll have to go back, I must have missed an entire page or something. But we know for sure MK is scum.


How do we know that for sure?

 

A Watcher that learns who a player was targeted by during the night is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. If a Watcher is somehow blocked from their action (by Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Rolestopper, Ascetic, or Commuter), they should receive a "No Result" pm, rather than a "did not see anything" pm. A Watcher would not see a Ninja committing a kill, however, and would receive a "did not see anything" pm in that case.

 
 
The fact he didn't get a "no result" leads me to believe that he didn't get blocked.  All signs lead to MK being scum

Ah I missed that.

 

 

 

I'll have to go back, I must have missed an entire page or something. But we know for sure MK is scum.


How do we know that for sure?

 

A Watcher that learns who a player was targeted by during the night is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. If a Watcher is somehow blocked from their action (by Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Rolestopper, Ascetic, or Commuter), they should receive a "No Result" pm, rather than a "did not see anything" pm. A Watcher would not see a Ninja committing a kill, however, and would receive a "did not see anything" pm in that case.

 
 
The fact he didn't get a "no result" leads me to believe that he didn't get blocked.  All signs lead to MK being scum

Ah I missed that.

 


so here we have SM questioning how we know MK is lying, when he was busted as lying Sure she corrects it, since it was blatently stated why MK was lying, but of all people in the game, IF SM was actually the cop she would have had the most reason to doubt MK.  Instead she bought it from the beginning and all the way through to the end. She never once tried to make it look like MK was not the cop.  All she would ever say is "im not 100% confident that he is town."  Never once did she try to say MK was lying about his role and actions.  In fact, basically every single player but SM was on board with MK lying about being the cop.  SM should have been the FIRST person to refute MK as the cop if she actually was the cop, but what did she do?  The opposite.  She said she believed MKs role claim that he was the cop.

 

After looking at all of SMs actual statements from the games, the evidence shows one thing:  SM is lying about being the Cop


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I made my stand clear that I can't take these claims at face value. Now brewers went after the inconsistency with SM's Medved investigation but for me it may have been typo on her part thats why I wanted her to clarify. Now if she had said she missed to post the "not" before guilty on Medved, it would have been more believable to me. But she went with she didn't meant to post FoS on Medved as he is town. I get the point with phones, iPads as I mistype when I am on them multiple times but a typo on Fos as you claim does raise a red flag.

If you didn't mean to FoS on Medved whom was that meant for? If you didn't mean to post FoS at all, why did you put Medved's name imnediately after voting brewers?
One of you is lying for sure and I am glad it had actually come down to two choices so early in the day after a disastrous day yesterday. We have to lynch scum today.



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Brewers, you are repeating the same arguments and implying there is no way there could be several cops, when clearly there are. Scum ddenying facts.

I admit to my mistakes, which is part of what made me an Honest person. I misspoke, you pointed itout, I took it back and acknowledged my error, Not scum. Honesty.

Your veneer is cracking, Brewsky. You are lying scum trying to pretend the truth is not present.

You point to my saying I believed MK’s role claim as evidence of guilt, but he wasn’t scum, was he? Who was all over the guy? You. You convinced everyone he was scum, when he was town. That is your job as scum, and you did it well. I’m one of the few who did not try to lynch him. My behavior is consistent. Your behavior is scummy.

It's Raining Cops! :P

I made my stand clear that I can't take these claims at face value. Now brewers went after the inconsistency with SM's Medved investigation but for me it may have been typo on her part thats why I wanted her to clarify. Now if she had said she missed to post the "not" before guilty on Medved, it would have been more believable to me. But she went with she didn't meant to post FoS on Medved as he is town. I get the point with phones, iPads as I mistype when I am on them multiple times but a typo on Fos as you claim does raise a red flag.

If you didn't mean to FoS on Medved whom was that meant for? If you didn't mean to post FoS at all, why did you put Medved's name imnediately after voting brewers?
One of you is lying for sure and I am glad it had actually come down to two choices so early in the day after a disastrous day yesterday. We have to lynch scum today.


I was excited and twisted my results up. I lost track of what I was saying and acknowledge my mistake. I’m being completely transparent. I made a boo boo in fingering Medved. Sorry, Medved, I know you are not scum.

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Brewers, you are repeating the same arguments and implying there is no way there could be several cops, when clearly there are. Scum ddenying facts.

I admit to my mistakes, which is part of what made me an Honest person. I misspoke, you pointed itout, I took it back and acknowledged my error, Not scum. Honesty.

Your veneer is cracking, Brewsky. You are lying scum trying to pretend the truth is not present.

You point to my saying I believed MK’s role claim as evidence of guilt, but he wasn’t scum, was he? Who was all over the guy? You. You convinced everyone he was scum, when he was town. That is your job as scum, and you did it well. I’m one of the few who did not try to lynch him. My behavior is consistent. Your behavior is scummy.

It's Raining Cops!  :P

I made my stand clear that I can't take these claims at face value. Now brewers went after the inconsistency with SM's Medved investigation but for me it may have been typo on her part thats why I wanted her to clarify. Now if she had said she missed to post the "not" before guilty on Medved, it would have been more believable to me. But she went with she didn't meant to post FoS on Medved as he is town. I get the point with phones, iPads as I mistype when I am on them multiple times but a typo on Fos as you claim does raise a red flag.

If you didn't mean to FoS on Medved whom was that meant for? If you didn't mean to post FoS at all, why did you put Medved's name imnediately after voting brewers?
One of you is lying for sure and I am glad it had actually come down to two choices so early in the day after a disastrous day yesterday. We have to lynch scum today.


I was excited and twisted my results up. I lost track of what I was saying and acknowledge my mistake. I’m being completely transparent. I made a boo boo in fingering Medved. Sorry, Medved, I know you are not scum.

 

Sounds to me like SM is getting desperate.  I was pointing out every single instance where SM believed that MK was the cop, and it probably sounds repetitive since there were so many instances where SM stated her belief of him as the cop.  SM never had a single doubt in his claim of being a cop.  Yes I was the person who lead the push on MK because I found inconsistencies in him being the cop, and thought he was not acting in any way like the actual cop would have acted.  And guess what?  I was right-he was not the cop, he was lying the entire time, which is exactly what I was arguing when it came to MK.  SM now says there are clearly several cops and im denying facts. Lets look at what the actual facts here are:    

  • I lead the push for an MK lynch because I did not believe his cop claim-FACT
  • SM stated several times that she believed MK was indeed the cop
  • MK was not a cop-FACT
  • MK made up all of his actions- FACT
  • He was a Vanilla Townie-FACT

What fact have I misstated here?  SM is fishing here and trying to make it look like I am the one with contradicting statements, but in reality, the one with all of the contradicting statements is SM.  She contradicted herself in her own post accusing me of being scum.  She sais she is an insane cop because she got a guilty on robert and a not guilty on me.  and then says her result on medved was guilty and goes on to further explain why she thinks medved is scum with me then puts a FoS on medved.  So if she was truly an insane cop, and as convinced of being an insane cop as she is, the alleged guilty she got on medved would have made her think he was town, not scum.  And now SM claims she mispoke thinking CM was scum.  She seemed pretty darn confident in her accusation of him that he was scum.  That was not her "misspeaking"  That was her trying to paint him as partners with me to further lie about me being scum.  

 

With that being said, I think its time for me to role claim.  We absolutely have to lynch scum today, so we have to make sure we get this right, so that means giving all the information we can.  

 

I am Wolfpacks, a Town Jack-of-All-Trades

 

Night 1 I used my one shot cop ability to target Colonel Medved.  I know, I know, more cop ability claims, however, unlike all the fake cop claims this game, mine can actually be verified by Robert.  Robert posted this on D2 out of the blue.  

 

 

Did you visit wolfpacks Brewers?

 
At first it made no sense to me why he would ask me that out of the blue because I did not visit WP.  However now that Robert died, we know he was a non consecutive follower.  So what does the follower role do? Per the wiki:
 
The Follower is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn what form of action they took that Night (investigation, protection, killing, etc), but not who they targeted.
 
Combine that with roberts statement, and the fact that robert stated multiple times to thinking I was town, its pretty clear that robert followed me n1 and learned that I did indeed preform an investigative action, and he was hoping I could confim that WP was indeed scum.  
 
Unfortunately I did not target WP as medved was my target.  I chose medved for the reasons I voted for him d1.  I was hoping he was scum that slipped up on d1 and that I would have been able to catch him and get us a scum quickly.  However he came up as not guilty.  And then whenever I provided my thoughts on who town was, you will have noticed I switched my tone from thinking medved might be scum on d1 to medved being town.  After kevin died as a Voyer, I checked it on the wiki and it it became pretty apparent to me what Roberts role was, as we already had a watcher.  On the voyer page it states:
 
The Voyeur has very few variants; however, there are many related Roles:
 
The Tracker learns who a player targeted, but not what action that player performed.
The Follower learns what action a player performed, but not who that player targeted.
The Watcher learns who targeted a player, but not what actions were performed on them.
The Voyeur learns what actions were performed on a player, but not who targeted them.
The Motion Detector learns if any actions were performed by or on a player, but not what they were, or who else was involved.
 
And based on Roberts statement about asking if i visited WP, I was able to deduce that he was indeed the follower (as the others would not make sense for him to have said what he said)
 
So at that point I became very convinced that Robert was town, and that is also consistent with my actions of defending Robert when SM when after him.
 
N2 I did not preform any actions.
 
Night 3 I used my one shot vigilante ability on Rhizo
my reasoning is laid out here in a post I made
 

 

I would not be shocked if one of the first two votes on WP were scum trying to look town and thinking there was no way he would get enough votes to be lynched before deadline.  The wagon formed super late, around an hour or so before deadline.  FoS  SM and Rhizo
 
I chose Rhizo at the time over SM because he was the first vote on WP, and thought he would be more likely to be scum since he placed vote number 1, which would have put his partner in far less danger of being lynched than being vote number two.  My kill obviously failed-my guess is I was jailed by isocialism,  but since isoc is dead we wont know for sure why my kill failed
 
n4 I did no actions
 
I still have two abilities left but I do not want to disclose them at this time, since scum knowing those abilities could affect the night actions in a negative way for the town.
 
So SM wants to paint me as having cracks in my story and being the one who is lying and inconsistent.  However in reality, my actions this entire game have been consistent, from D1 all the way up until this point. And not only am I consistent, but as I stated with Robert's post/actions on d2 towards me, my action is also verified as taking place.  SM cant say the same, and she has been the one with the cracks/inconsistencies.   And her defense to that is, she is a honest person owning up to her mistakes.  Of course she is going to say they were "honest mistakes."  Its not like she is going to admit to lying.

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Walls of text don’t make you believable if you obviously deny facts and try to twist what I am saying Brewers. I don’t have time to carefully read your wall of text, but you are the one who seems desperate and you are the one twisting and distorting what has happened and what has been said. I’m sticking with facts, I don’t need multiple walls of text. You did your damnest to lynch an innocent man and you are saying I’m scum because I said I was inclined to believe him initially.

And I’m sure you were not shocked there were scum votes for WP, since you voted for him. I would not be shocked if there were two scum votes on MK, who I did not vote for and turned out to be town. Oh and you were a leader of that bandwagon on a townie. Scum.

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Wow, that was a lot of reading to catch up on! I'll sum up my thoughts so far.

 

Yesterday was a shit show, MK ruined the day for town. He can blame me for "having it out for him" all he wants (with no proof what so ever), but he decided to make a fake RC and stick to it. He got caught, and decided to continue on it. MK was correct with one thing though...

 

 

 

according to CM, i am anti-town

 

 

It sucks that he decided to throw the game, which now means we are in lylo. He was anti-town, he wasted the whole day and put us into this situation. You would have to be crazy to think MK isn't anti-town. My original reason for voting for him on D3 was because he was pushing for a vote on WP after he was unsuccessfully lynched just the day before. I've never played a game with lynchless, so i assumed that it isn't strange for there to possibly more than 1-shot. I only truly considered him scum after he said he investigated someone that night. Even though i was incorrect with my thoughts that "No Result" meant that he didn't do anything, we confirmed it with Kverst who watched Rafay. 

 

In closing, MK might be the reason town loses this game. And if we do win, i would prefer him to be made a "neutral" role and not receive the win due to his game throwing. 

 

Now, on to today..

 

At first i was shocked to see SM FoSing me and calling me out for being guilty, at that point i knew she is dead set in my mind that she is scum because i'm the only person who knows for a fact that i am town. She later clarified (after brewers brought it up) about her inconsistency in her claim, I also noticed it when i first read it and was going to clarify that she is misunderstood because she got a guilty on me, which means i'm town if she is insane. But Brewers beat me to the punch, a good catch i must add :P

 

So it seems today will be a focus on either SM or brewers as of right now with the information we have. I currently believe that brewers is telling the truth, i remember seeing that post from Robert and being confused why he would ask that so early in the game. It makes sense now with his claim, and i am more inclined to believe him with the information he has given.

 

It is pretty scummy that SM flip flopped yesterday from being "strongly inclined MK is town" to "not certain he is town" in the same day. Brewers also pointed out that she believed MKs claim, which would be weird if you are the "real cop" 

 

 

 

You know, MK believably role claimed earlier and pushed for a second WP lynch. I’m strongly inclined to think he’s town.

 

 

 

 

I am not certain MK is town, but I am much more concerned about Robert being scum.

 

 

 

 

I am not CONFIDENT that he’s town, confident is too strong a word. That said, he role claimed and confirmed that WP, aka scum, was scum. That makes me think he’s what he says he is.

 

 

So for right now i'm more inclined to believe Brewers RC over SM

 

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Please explain to me what I am twisting or denying.  You have said multiple times now I am denying facts or twisting facts, but you haven't backed it up with one single example.  We cannot afford a mislynch here, so I am sorry you do not like that I am constantly providing ACTUAL EVIDENCE t from the game for why your "claim" is a lie in order to ensure people dont do what Rafay did-go along with you for pretty much no reason at all.  You r real reason for not using "multiple walls of text" is because you have absolutely nothing to back up a single one of your statements and you have absolutely nothing to refute a single one of my points that ive made.

 

If I am incorrectly lynched today, that puts it down to most likely 3 town against 2 scum and a SK.  And if the SK and Scum hit two different townies, then its 2 scum, 1 sk, and 1 town, which for all purposes ends the game for the town and we lose. 

 

So I hope everyone actually reads my "giant walls of text" that SM is refusing to read, and is dismissing as pointless, because when you cast your vote you need to be completely sure you are casting it for scum, because a mislynch is basically game over .  So if you vote for me, and i get lynched, you better pray the SK hits mafia and the mafia hits the SK.  That is the only way town can survive a mislynch of me.


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Both brewers and SM are at 2 votes each. Not gonna vote yet as that might put one of them in line of being hammered.

At this point I tend to believe brewers RC over SM's. The inconsistencies in her story is too hard to ignore. I know people while posting makes typos or errors but there's a difference between typo of "not guilty" and "guilty" and between clear mention of FoS which was unitentional. Also her not countering 2 fake claims of cop goes against her. But still we need to keep the discussions going. We may very well be in lylo based on how many scum left.

I would also like to hear from others who are yet to comment. Rafay too need to explain his vote. Please no cop out answers.



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[/quote]I am not CONFIDENT that he’s town, confident is too strong a word. That said, he role claimed and confirmed that WP, aka scum, was scum. That makes me think he’s what he says he is. If you read back you will see that he pushed for WP’s lynch.[/quote]

I did initially believe MK’s role claim. Why is that scummy? Over the course of the day I watched MK act crazier and crazier. I eventually decided he was all about being a jerk and messing up the game. How is that flip flopping? How many people have changed their opinions and votes over time? Pretty much everyone, right? I believed him to be town, he was town. We lynched a townie. I had no part in lynching a townie. Brewers had a big part in lynching a townie.

I knew there were multiple cops because SBG was a VANILLA cop and I’m a cop, I suspected there might be several other cops and I said so on day two. Indeed we have 2 confirmed cops, one vanilla, one scum. I was told I was a cop, I was NOT told I am insane, based on the existence of two other cops it made sense for me to think that there could be many cops. When Robert got killed last night he turned up town. At that point I knew I was insane. I have never played a cop and don’t remember ever seeing an insane cop. I got excited and made a mistake. I have addressed this and I can’t do anything more about it.

I have actively hunted scum. I have hammered scum. I did not participate in lynching a townie because he just looked like an asshole to me, and I thought I had confirmed scum. The fact that anyone thinks this is scummy is bewildering. Brewers is a great salesman. But why would I, who generally tries not to be an asshole, do a fake insane cop roleclaim? Why would I go after Robert so intensely and then night kill him? Makes no sense at all. What does make sense is that scum killed Robert to make me look guilty.

Why did I go after Robert so intensely? I believed him scum and I believed Brewers to be town. I threw everything I could find at Robert. Why else would I do that? I like Robert OOC, I would like to play the game with him, going after MK was easy and preferable in every way, except I thought Robert was guilty.

My investigations turned up not guilty brewers, guilty Robert, guilty CM. Robert was town, that makes me insane and Brewers guilty.

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Honestly this is giving me a headache. It is a possibility that SM made a typo. I do it all the time. I mean I committed an iSoc yesterday. However, it could be a misstep in a lie.

SM is correct in saying that brewers is amazing at this game. He can manipulate better than a politician.

I would like to with hold judgement while this plays out a little further.

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It is a possibility that SM made a typo. I do it all the time. I mean I committed an iSoc yesterday. However, it could be a misstep in a lie.
 

 

Typo?  she wrote like an entire paragraph about why/how she thinks Medved is scum.  Id say thats a bit more than an accidental typo


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I must have missed that. I will reread it more carefully. But like I said: headache.

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I knew there were multiple cops because SBG was a VANILLA cop and I’m a cop, I suspected there might be several other cops and I said so on day two. Indeed we have 2 confirmed cops, one vanilla, one scum. I was told I was a cop, I was NOT told I am insane, based on the existence of two other cops it made sense for me to think that there could be many cops. When Robert got killed last night he turned up town. At that point I knew I was insane. I have never played a cop and don’t remember ever seeing an insane cop. I got excited and made a mistake. I have addressed this and I can’t do anything more about it.

 

 

I don't know, having a 3-shot scum cop versus 3 town cops just seems like a weird setup to me. 


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Wow, that was a lot of reading to catch up on! I'll sum up my thoughts so far.

Yesterday was a shit show, MK ruined the day for town. He can blame me for "having it out for him" all he wants (with no proof what so ever), but he decided to make a fake RC and stick to it. He got caught, and decided to continue on it. MK was correct with one thing though...


according to CM, i am anti-town



It sucks that he decided to throw the game, which now means we are in lylo. He was anti-town, he wasted the whole day and put us into this situation. You would have to be crazy to think MK isn't anti-town. My original reason for voting for him on D3 was because he was pushing for a vote on WP after he was unsuccessfully lynched just the day before. I've never played a game with lynchless, so i assumed that it isn't strange for there to possibly more than 1-shot. I only truly considered him scum after he said he investigated someone that night. Even though i was incorrect with my thoughts that "No Result" meant that he didn't do anything, we confirmed it with Kverst who watched Rafay.

In closing, MK might be the reason town loses this game. And if we do win, i would prefer him to be made a "neutral" role and not receive the win due to his game throwing.


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You don't question the GOAT!

 

This!!!

 

But in all seriousness....

 

But Rafay you believe SM's cop claim? We had 2 false claims before. I don't know whether I should believe them at face value anymore lol.

 

I think SM is a serious player and an experienced one so I have no problem standing behind her reasoning.

 

@Rafay, what do you think of SM completely contradicting her entire roleclaim by saying she got a guilty on medved so that means she also thinks he is scum, even tho she thinks she is an insane cop, which would mean Medved is actually town

 

This does make her argument weak and now this whole new back and forth b/w you and her has really made me question my choice. However I will hold my vote as it is until deadline beckons. 


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