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800,000 Federal paychecks eliminated is what I call a good start... make it permanent. That is a Conservative my friend. Now a real life question for you... We have thousands of people rushing the border, and you don't know who they are, where they come from, or what they carry... How do you stop them? Your statement about critical and want all depends on who you ask.
 

 

Most illegal immigrants go through legal ports of entry. Border patrol has asked specifically for more funding and staff, which would be much more effective than a barrier that can be breached with simple power tools. But hey lets hold citizens paychecks hostage for a stupid wall that wont work, and will be a money pit for years to come.

 

We had one for 8 years... his name is Barack Obama.

Obama didn't do anything socialist. Even his healthcare is capitalist. Even his stimulus plan was based on capitalistic principles 

 

Are you really paying attention? Trump signed a spending bill months ago granting the military over 900 billion dollars to repair the Obama damage. That ship has sailed, and it's probably the cash that will be used to build that wall. We'll find out more during the State of the Union address.
 

 

What exactly changed after he spent more money? We were and still are the number one military in the world.


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Most illegal immigrants go through legal ports of entry.

Say this to yourself real slow, and tell me if you want to change it. Illegal immigrants are not allowed through legal ports of entry, only legal people are allowed through them. The current flood of caravans are breaching weak points of our border, and abusing loopholes in our asylum policy, that Democrats refuse to close. We offer protection to people under circumstances such as persecution and war. We do not grant asylum because they wish to live and work here, but if they claim asylum, they are entitled to a hearing, most are released into the USA... and they never show up for their hearing. What would you do about this?

 

We have a substantial military presence at the border already, and another 3,500 are on their way right now. Bush and Obama both sent military to the border, so this is not unusual. The highest priority a President has is to protect American citizens, and I'm strongly confident Trump will not fail. We have thousands of people just walking in every day, and Democrats are doing nothing to stop them.

 

The burning question I have is... Why are they doing nothing to stop it? Because it's Trump? That's unacceptable.

 

The only reason we do not have universal single payer government controlled healthcare today, is because Obama had Capitalist "Blue Dog" Democrats in Congress back in 2009. Enough to keep his Socialist programs from passing. Cap and Trade crashed and burned as well... that was his tax on anyone who has a carbon footprint, if you don't know.

 

Super majorities in both houses of Congress for 2 years, not a word about illegal immigration, guns, college, or any of these other issues that they think are so important now. They created the ACA to destroy private insurance... it failed. Obama was, and still is, a Socialist... it just wasn't popular to call himself that back then. Republicans took the House from Pelosi in 2010, and ended the scariest 2 years of my entire life.


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I will say that if Obama was able to depleted the military, while their budget increased within 8 years. That the military was already depleted before that. The 18+ years at being at war doesn't help. I don't think an expansion of budget helps. Most company when facing a decline learn how to be lean. The military is another bad example of wasted spending. Should we maintain our strength, yeah. It should be done with a lower budget and a lot more fire uber people assess of not wasting money.

I'm all for the creation of jobs, and I think the rhetoric already behind America first helps. Putting America first doesn't have to be putting China behind us. Going after China means we have to be tough on other nations imports, so that China doesn't redirect it's shipment through them. This means hurting the American consumer by raises tariffs. America is not good at making cheap toys, and never will be, until AOC crashes the economy, until then that's all China. Loosening the collar around manufactures of machinery and let them go at it.
I could go, but I don't to be the one making the decision that's for sure.

Taxes should have a way to avoid them, such as not buying a TV because you have to pay taxes on it. It should never be on life essential stuff. If I don't want to have health insurance or the penalty I shouldn't have to die not to pay it. It's a life tax. The your apart of this nation and you must do what the nation leader at that point says to is a dictatorship. I would love to see Trump make CNN pay for the wall by a "fee" and if they don't want to pay that fee, the pay the penalty.

You can enforce port of entries a lot more, but you will create a soft point somewhere else. Saying that a number of border patrol agents agree on a wall, either says they're right or feel out manned. I think 6b is not that much saying it save that money in the long run. Heck Obama spent more drone striking schools.
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Heck I don't recall any "dealmaking" to even have happended due to Trump.

I guess the bubble you live in prevented you from seeing the "deal making" today between Trump and China.

 

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Aaaah, you mean him getting a promise from China to once again buy USA soya while Trump backs down on the larger portions of his import taxes? You know those that China equally levied on american products? If you want to count that as a win...

Heck, tariffs only work when they up the cost of imports ABOVE the cost of local products, with the added note that you as consumer will also pay into that rise in cost.
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I only see 1 of his "wishlist accomplishments" from materializing

Then you are not looking.

 

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Sorry that a majority of americans want change to your healthcare

The majority of Americans... which I am one of those and you are not... want it cheaper. You will get the same answer on any product or service on the market. The "majority" does not decide what we do here... the Constitution decides. Once again, we are not a Democracy where the "majority" stomps on the Constitutional rights of any minority... we are a Republic, and everyone has the same Constitutional rights.

The only way to get cheaper healthcare is to create a business environment that brings the costs down. Creating a new way to continue paying the ever increasing costs, is complete stupidity.

 

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Fine fine fine, but don't say that the current model is working to drive down costs. Not to speak that Trump promised a 30/60/90/120/??? day "fix" to your healthcare AND GOP in general sat on it for 8y during Obama and only could do a screwwy defunding of part of the ACA just to see it bleed out.

And for the umptienth time. YOU ARE A DEMOCRACY. YOU ARE A REPUBLIC. These things are NOT mutually exclusive! Just cause you don't run it at 50%+1, doesn't mean it isn't a democracy. No country runs it at a 50%+1 majority for everything, most go for 2/3rds for instance of major reforms.
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That said, if as a society you can have a viable middle candidate, you either need to acknowledge that you are hopeless divided and you NEED a 3rd party OR actually get down and COMPROMISE between the 2 sides.

We have two major political parties... we have no shortage of 3rd, 4th, 5th, and on and on parties.

 

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As in actually a plausible/viable governing party. You folks are running into basically everything being a donkey vs. elephant divide. In due time your entire legislation will be nothing but negating the legislation of the former party.
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Related to things we have been discussing... here's a big red flag to signal that Trump plans big spending on infrastruture projects. He just issued an executive order requiring all materials used in government infrastruture projects to be manufactured in the USA. Once again he takes an anti-free market position in favor of a pro-American position. Very good for the country, we can rest easy with knowledge they will not be constructed with substandard materials from China. They won't be talking about this on CNN.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/whitehouse/trump-widens-buy-american-rule-infrastructure-projects

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Now you only need Infrastructure Week :D
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If you really want to get government projects moving and not wasting a lot of money... get rid of the EPA. We spend money on a program that wastes OT out of the #+@%. The money the do spend is to sue and halt projects throughout America.

I have an oil refinery to sell you.


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Say this to yourself real slow, and tell me if you want to change it. Illegal immigrants are not allowed through legal ports of entry, only legal people are allowed through them. The current flood of caravans are breaching weak points of our border, and abusing loopholes in our asylum policy, that Democrats refuse to close. We offer protection to people under circumstances such as persecution and war. We do not grant asylum because they wish to live and work here, but if they claim asylum, they are entitled to a hearing, most are released into the USA... and they never show up for their hearing. What would you do about this?

 

 

Oh right because no one ever enters the US for vacation or for student visas, or for work visas. Your statement is almost as stupid as the wall.


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While people can enter the US legally and lots do and then stay after their visit expired. They still need some type of ID/passport etc... Documents, this allow us to filter the people coming through. While a wall can't stop them all. Pushing for heavy security at the crossings only eliminate the ones with the intention to stay in the US with an ID. A strong entrance means nothing if the walls around them our open for business. A wall isn't in my top five or maybe even ten things to do to stop it. Though a wall will help and when we're talking about the government it's actually not the wasteful as they can be.
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Oh right because no one ever enters the US for vacation or for student visas, or for work visas.

Those are all legal entries. They become illegal when they do not leave when their visa expires. The strangest problem here is when their visa expires we have to hunt them down and deport them, and then you guys call us all kinds of names for enforcing the law.

 

Again, no illegals are allowed through a port of entry. 


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In any case it looks like Schultz announced he wont be running so our main topic is now mute.


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In any case it looks like Schultz announced he wont be running so our main topic is now mute.

It wouldn't surprise me, but this would be pretty big news, and I have seen nothing of the sort. The last thing I saw about this was he's polling at about 17%, which is very strong for this early. Do you have a secret scoop that no one wants to talk about yet? If not... you're spreading fake news. Link your source.


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I'm not too into the buy American only. I'm more for saving money without cutting corners. The fact is some countries can produce certain foods better than us, and vi versa.


That is very true. Just because it says 'Made in the USA' shouldn't be an indication of high quality.

Within the US Firearms Industry, American made Aks are almost all complete trash, while AKs built from imported parts kits are traditionally much better quality. But why is that you say? Well America is land of the CNC machine, but AKs are riveted and modern ones are stamped steel. 2 Forms of manufacture that don't really exist within the US anymore. So for the American companies to compete with inexpensive imports, they sacrifice quality for to achieve that comparable price point.

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It wouldn't surprise me, but this would be pretty big news, and I have seen nothing of the sort. The last thing I saw about this was he's polling at about 17%, which is very strong for this early. Do you have a secret scoop that no one wants to talk about yet? If not... you're spreading fake news. Link your source.
 

 

According to this CNN article he is still planning on running. I wonder if he is testing the waters by saying he was only considering and now changing his stance again, I'll see if I can find the article but admittedly I only glanced at it and figured it fit since he hadnt seemed serious beforehand. 


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Perhaps it was an article outlining that his own internal study found that him running would improve the Rep/Trump win chance :D


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Hell, I could poll better than the democrats who are running so far
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Perhaps it was an article outlining that his own internal study found that him running would improve the Rep/Trump win chance :D

He's doing this to prevent a Democrat from winning. The Democrat that wins the nomination will be a far left Socialist. A far left Socialist will push for the AOC "New Green Deal"... which will utterly fail, but enough of it could squeak through to do significant damage to the ultra wealthy members of our nation... which everything pretty much depends on.

 

If Howard Schultz runs, and I believe he will, he will be doing it to either be President, or to reelect Donald Trump. He's okay either way.


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