For someone who objects to fake news I would think you would realize that video is bull crap, and not spread it. SMH

The problem is... I don't know if it's bull crap. What I see are logical explanations to a lot of unanswered questions. In response, I see an aggressive, extremely hostile, organized machine, that has been relentlessly unleashed to utterly silence these people. In my experience, that means there is some truth to what they are saying. I'm always in favor of following the money.

 

Looking at this from your side, I have not seen one single report about this on any news channel. That tells me a lot as well.

 

For someone who objects to fake news I would think you would realize that video is bull crap, and not spread it. SMH

The problem is... I don't know if it's bull crap. What I see are logical explanations to a lot of unanswered questions. In response, I see an aggressive, extremely hostile, organized machine, that has been relentlessly unleashed to utterly silence these people. In my experience, that means there is some truth to what they are saying. I'm always in favor of following the money.

 

Looking at this from your side, I have not seen one single report about this on any news channel. That tells me a lot as well.

I guess you didn’t look very hard. Here’s just a few pieces showing her to be a fraud, please note she admits to being inaccurate. I could link dozens more. She is a debunked fraud. If you stubbornly hold on to that video as anything but fiction, you’re a sucker.

 

Snopes has several articles debunking Plandemic, but I’ll just post one. https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/05/12/plandemic-virus-consipracy-theory-video-shows-challenges-for-big-tech/

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/the-falsehoods-of-the-plandemic-video/

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/technology/plandemic-judy-mikovitz-coronavirus-disinformation.html?searchResultPosition=5

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/05/08/why-its-important-to-push-back-on-plandemic-and-how-to-do-it/#c284e9a5fa

 

https://vitals.lifehacker.com/if-you-found-that-plandemic-video-convincing-read-th-1843339002

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/14/plandemic-movie-discredited-dr-doctor-judy-mikovits-how-debunked-conspiracy-theory-film-went-viral

 

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/12/21254184/how-plandemic-went-viral-facebook-youtube

 

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/contributors/2020/05/12/plandemic-misinformation-judy-mikovits/3112206001/

 

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/investigations/fact-check-viral-covid-19-video-spreads-misinformation-makes-list-of-false-claims/2324126/

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/fact-checking-judy-mikovits-controversial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral

 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/may/08/fact-checking-plandemic-documentary-full-false-con/

Addendum - I almost forget, here’s a video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWpjc1QZg84

 

 

I guess you didn’t look very hard.

I didn't look at all... it must be more important to you.

Glad to see you SM, it's been a while!

 

So, the government has finally started large-scale testing here in Hungary, and very few cases outside of hospitals and retirement homes have been found. The country is slowly reopening.

 

I guess you didn’t look very hard.

I didn't look at all... it must be more important to you.

 

Yes it is important to me. Fake news aimed at discrediting science and genuinely helpful people, who are trying to slow the death rate at a time when 80,000+ Americans have died from a  new disease in less than 5 months. That is important to me. The fact that you, a man who models himself as a well informed American, who hates fake news, are spreading it is disappointing. 

 

 

Glad to see you SM, it's been a while!

 

So, the government has finally started large-scale testing here in Hungary, and very few cases outside of hospitals and retirement homes have been found. The country is slowly reopening.

( @ )( @ ) ccabal! I’m very glad Hungary is doing well and you are safe! Please be careful and stay well. Have you been telecommuting?

 

 

Fake news aimed at discrediting science and genuinely helpful people

That's the issue... it's not "Fake News" at all. It has not been reported by any news agencies... at all. It's a video clip from a movie someone is making, much the same as Michael Moore has done many. This is a free speech issue that is being argued online during an international lockdown that a lot of people believe was not an accident. These people are allowed to be heard. We are not obligated to believe them, but we are obligated to protect what they have to say. Unless of course you believe Michael Moore is free to make his movies, but these people must be silenced for the "greater good". That's Fascism.

 

For the record... I do not believe Covid-19 was an accident. I do believe it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and I do believe it was done on purpose. Too strange that as soon as the China candidate Michael Bloomberg bombed out on Super Tuesday, we suddenly have a virus from China that destroys the US economy. I always thought Trump would destroy China's economy... yeah, I think this was done to us. We just showed them how easy it is to turn the entire USA into a herd of sheep. Shame.

I never suggested banning or silencing anything. And for the record, I am not a Michael Moore fan, some of his work has been very misleading and not documentary.

 

I stand by my remarks, if you believe that woman even after she admitted to not being accurate then you are willfully ignorant and you are a willing sucker. Enjoy your tinfoil hat.

 

 

Enjoy your tinfoil hat.

It fits perfectly, and it says "Make America Great Again" on it.

 

On a lighter note... I just scored second row center for this upcoming show at The Smith Center.

https://www.thesmithcenter.com/event/symphonic-rock-show/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TDmGsqdVao&feature=emb_logo

 

Enjoy your tinfoil hat.

It fits perfectly, and it says "Make America Great Again" on it.

 

On a lighter note... I just scored second row center for this upcoming show at The Smith Center.

https://www.thesmithcenter.com/event/symphonic-rock-show/

I’d love to make America great again, it’s been far from great lately.

 

For the record... I do not believe Covid-19 was an accident. I do believe it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and I do believe it was done on purpose. Too strange that as soon as the China candidate Michael Bloomberg bombed out on Super Tuesday, we suddenly have a virus from China that destroys the US economy. I always thought Trump would destroy China's economy... yeah, I think this was done to us. We just showed them how easy it is to turn the entire USA into a herd of sheep. Shame.

 

 

Even ignoring the ludricousness of this being a man-made virus (we don't have that tech!), you do know that while Super Tuesday was in march that the virus was already around in 2019 right? Kinda is in the name even, like COVID-19

 

 

 

Enjoy your tinfoil hat.

It fits perfectly, and it says "Make America Great Again" on it.

 

On a lighter note... I just scored second row center for this upcoming show at The Smith Center.

https://www.thesmithcenter.com/event/symphonic-rock-show/

I’d love to make America great again, it’s been far from great lately.

 

And I keep asking what made it stop being great. only getting "feelings" as reply tbh Also hi SM. Hope you can help your patients in his/her griefing, this thing isn't a nice way to die from.

 

 

I guess you didn’t look very hard.

I didn't look at all... it must be more important to you.

 

Yes it is important to me. Fake news aimed at discrediting science and genuinely helpful people, who are trying to slow the death rate at a time when 80,000+ Americans have died from a  new disease in less than 5 months. That is important to me. The fact that you, a man who models himself as a well informed American, who hates fake news, are spreading it is disappointing. 

 

 

Glad to see you SM, it's been a while!

 

So, the government has finally started large-scale testing here in Hungary, and very few cases outside of hospitals and retirement homes have been found. The country is slowly reopening.

( @ )( @ ) ccabal! I’m very glad Hungary is doing well and you are safe! Please be careful and stay well. Have you been telecommuting?

 

 

Yes, fortunately I can do that. I'm also privileged enough that my income has not suffered, which many people cannot say at this time

griefing

Grieving. Griefing is what you do in CounterStrike

 

 

Even ignoring the ludricousness of this being a man-made virus

I never said it was man made... I'm saying it wasn't an accident. The virus didn't shut down the country... the media, their morbid scoreboard, Trump haters lying about how it's gonna kill millions, and scaring the crap out of the masses. That shut down the country.

So nz and australia are currently looking into resuming flights between each country in a sort of trans-tasman bubble (man my government loves the use of the word bubble) so hopefully this signals some sort of return to normal before all this crap went down

 

 

 

For the record... I do not believe Covid-19 was an accident. I do believe it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and I do believe it was done on purpose. Too strange that as soon as the China candidate Michael Bloomberg bombed out on Super Tuesday, we suddenly have a virus from China that destroys the US economy. I always thought Trump would destroy China's economy... yeah, I think this was done to us. We just showed them how easy it is to turn the entire USA into a herd of sheep. Shame.

 

 

 

 

Even ignoring the ludricousness of this being a man-made virus (we don't have that tech!), you do know that while Super Tuesday was in march that the virus was already around in 2019 right? Kinda is in the name even, like COVID-19

 

 

 

 

 

Enjoy your tinfoil hat.

 

It fits perfectly, and it says "Make America Great Again" on it.

 

On a lighter note... I just scored second row center for this upcoming show at The Smith Center.

https://www.thesmithcenter.com/event/symphonic-rock-show/

I’d love to make America great again, it’s been far from great lately.

 

 

And I keep asking what made it stop being great. only getting "feelings" as reply tbh Also hi SM. Hope you can help your patients in his/her griefing, this thing isn't a nice way to die from.

Hi Betsy. Thanks for the support. I’m struggling a bit, but hopeful things will improve. How are you?

 

In answer toyour question as to what made America stop being great, I have some concrete examples for you. America lost its greatness when a 70 year old hate spewing huckster got elected president and succeeded in his agenda to make the rich richer at any cost to the middle and lower classes. And his success at spreading hate and dismantling the checks and balances that help define America has really dented our greatness. moscow mitch, presiding over the senate trial, after announcing that he was working directly with trump’s defense team, damaged America. The gross mismanagement of the pandemic has been the icing on the tarnish trump spread upon us. In a nutshell, trump’s mismanagement, cronyism, and general corruption has made America not great.

I'm always open to discussing TDS, but this is the wrong thread for that.

 

Update: I have a horrible habit of correcting myself when I give out information that proves to be false. Coast Casinos has bumped up their open date to June 1... they moved the goalpost up from my previous post of May 23. Apologies.

I'm always open to discussing TDS, but this is the wrong thread for that.

 

Update: I have a horrible habit of correcting myself when I give out information that proves to be false. Coast Casinos has bumped up their open date to June 1... they moved the goalpost up from my previous post of May 23. Apologies.

 

Oh yes, TDS is a very real problem in this country. It’s what has allowed a segment of society to allow trump to commit high crimes against America.

 

I totally understand you not wanting to discuss it, 

 

Even ignoring the ludricousness of this being a man-made virus

I never said it was man made... I'm saying it wasn't an accident. The virus didn't shut down the country... the media, their morbid scoreboard, Trump haters lying about how it's gonna kill millions, and scaring the crap out of the masses. That shut down the country.

 

 

Still fake news buddy, this bug couldn't have found itself released from an improper handling in a lab while not being out their in the wild. Like claiming an arsonist lit a forest fire while he just lit his match on the already ongoing forest fire. Yeah Cina has been sketchy about this whole mess, but the ongoing US responce isn't show to be an example of transparancy either.

 

Sure the scoreboard is morbid, but so is waving around a gun so you can have a haircut while under quaranteen conditions.

 

 

And I keep asking what made it stop being great. only getting "feelings" as reply tbh Also hi SM. Hope you can help your patients in his/her griefing, this thing isn't a nice way to die from.

Hi Betsy. Thanks for the support. I’m struggling a bit, but hopeful things will improve. How are you?

 

All is well, the weather is nice for a change

 

I'm always open to discussing TDS, but this is the wrong thread for that.

Well SM hit the nail on the head tbh, I will always be amused at republicans using the "TDS" abbreviation for being against Trump.

 

 

I totally understand you not wanting to discuss it

I never said that... I said this is the wrong thread for that. Once again, falsely accusing people may be a feel good thing to do, but it's never been honorable. If I remember correctly, you are a Therapist by profession... is this how you are encouraging your patients to deal with their TDS? I really don't believe a thread dedicated to corona virus discussion should turn into a Trump bashing channel, but if that's what you want to do, and the Mods are okay with that... I can oblige you at any time.

 

 

It’s what has allowed a segment of society to allow trump to commit high crimes against America.

What are you accusing him of this time?

 

I totally understand you not wanting to discuss it

I never said that... I said this is the wrong thread for that. Once again, falsely accusing people may be a feel good thing to do, but it's never been honorable. If I remember correctly, you are a Therapist by profession... is this how you are encouraging your patients to deal with their TDS? I really don't believe a thread dedicated to corona virus discussion should turn into a Trump bashing channel, but if that's what you want to do, and the Mods are okay with that... I can oblige you at any time.

 

 

It’s what has allowed a segment of society to allow trump to commit high crimes against America.

What are you accusing him of this time?

 

I really don’t see much point in getting into a conversation with you about current events.  I stopped coming to this forum because I realized I was arguing with a brick wall, who cared more about winning an argument than sharing ideas. I also realized that there is no way to convince you that Trump is garbage because you are so deeply trapped in TDS. I can talk about the crimes that Trump committed and was impeached for, you will argue that the Senate didn’t convict, I’ll retort with something about moscow mitch openly working with the defense team and refusing to have an proper trial, you’ll dismiss that as sour grapes or just not acknowledge the facts. I could bring up emoluments, election tampering, gross mismanagement of the COVID-19 crisis, but the same pattern of what I just described will play out. 

 

Lys, you are a valued and helpful member of this in alliance and I respect that. You might be a lot of fun to hang out with IRL But arguing with you is just an exercise in futility. I don’t think it is your fault, this is the only way you know how to communicate with people who disagree with you. I don’t want to hurt your feelings, I just don’t have it in me these days to have this kind of interaction. Maybe I’ll be in a different state of mind later, but I’m reminded of this meme:

 

 

I really don’t see much point in getting into a conversation with you about current events.

That's unfortunate. There are a lot of current events, and there is one specific current event that has blessed us with plenty of time to have conversations.

 

I often wonder after 3 years time, if you have softened your hatred for the man that won that election, and in turn, softened your hatred for those of us that chose to support him over the other unpopular candidate. I can see those wounds you endured, have never healed. But, what I want you to know most of all is we did not vote for Donald Trump to hurt you... we voted for Donald Trump because we felt he was the best choice to lead the USA to prosperity.

 

I didn't know if Trump would be a good President back in October 2016... I had no other choice but to support him at the time... but I know for a fact I did the right thing now. We have completely different visions on what makes a successful country, and I have seen my version of success in more ways, and much faster, than I ever imagined possible. Pretty damn hard when half of the country hates his very existence, and pulls out every butt spider possible to try to stop him. I've seen a lot during my time... I get it.

 

It would be great if we could all get to where we respect each others opinions again. Maybe in another 4 years?

 

I really don’t see much point in getting into a conversation with you about current events.

That's unfortunate. There are a lot of current events, and there is one specific current event that has blessed us with plenty of time to have conversations.

 

I often wonder after 3 years time, if you have softened your hatred for the man that won that election, and in turn, softened your hatred for those of us that chose to support him over the other unpopular candidate. I can see those wounds you endured, have never healed. But, what I want you to know most of all is we did not vote for Donald Trump to hurt you... we voted for Donald Trump because we felt he was the best choice to lead the USA to prosperity.

 

I didn't know if Trump would be a good President back in October 2016... I had no other choice but to support him at the time... but I know for a fact I did the right thing now. We have completely different visions on what makes a successful country, and I have seen my version of success in more ways, and much faster, than I ever imagined possible. Pretty damn hard when half of the country hates his very existence, and pulls out every butt spider possible to try to stop him. I've seen a lot during my time... I get it.

 

It would be great if we could all get to where we respect each others opinions again. Maybe in another 4 years?

Forgive me if I’m a little bit off at the moment, I just had a glass of champagne at a zoom party celebrating my nephew’s graduation. I almost never drink, and I am dictating this through Siri, so I’m sure much of it will be miss transcribed. I’m a little too buzz to care about that though.

 

You completely misunderstand me. There are very few people who I hate, and you are not one of them. I just think that you are misguided, stubborn, and not really interested in a true, open minded conversation. Historically discussions with you about current events have been quite disappointing. I think we both do our best, but I take issue with the way you have approached conversations. That is my problem, which is why I stopped coming to this particular forum. I wish you would stop ascribing hate to me, that is wrong.

 

As I said before, you’re a good alliance member. I believe you have our backs, and I appreciate that. If we ever met up In a group, we’d probably crack each other up ( so long as we don’t talk politics).

 

 

I just had a glass of champagne

I have found that Cook's is just as tasty as the Dom.

 

 

Historically discussions with you about current events have been quite disappointing.

I can work on that.

 

 

I believe you have our backs

I do, always have, and always will.

 

 

If we ever met up In a group, we’d probably crack each other up

I have no doubts.

 

 

so long as we don’t talk politics

We can do that

 

I really don't believe a thread dedicated to corona virus discussion should turn into a Trump bashing channel

Why not? It seems the only thing Trump wants to do is cyberbully the virus into submission. Atleast the couple times he isn't praising himself for overcoming the hoax he called it is (in the same sentence I might add!).

 

You want a connection? or more? Fine.

After lambasting Obama for the umptienst time and getting rebuked for dismantling any pandemic responce, he comes forth with a fancy map containing his imaginary pandemic plan (probably as empty as those manilla folders he said were about his divesting from his business).

Operation "warp speed" is a 5 month late idea about a vaccine development aimed at finishing before Christmas, while ignoring over 30 seperate teams/company's already working on their vaccine's. This all smothered by the blatant admittion that the don't even care if the vaccine works or is safe before 2021.

And while the WH will finally follow many of the guidelines put forth by the CDC, the WHO or just any pandemic responce teams around the globe, he personally still wants everthing to open up while kicking out any possible COVID positive person from the WH.

 

 

Why not?

So sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about because I have been really busy all day working on my daughters new house. I can only help her on Sunday because she has to work at home due to the lockdown. She is a Mortgage Banker, therefore there is no time during the week for Dad to be making a lot of noise. So today we threw on some Billy Joel, The Tubes, and Ben Folds and I finally finished her office... it looks amazing. She's installing a Peloton this week.

 

We went out for dinner to a favorite Mexican restaurant, but it was reservation only and we didn't think of that... so we traveled a little farther to another one that's a bit more pricey, but it was well worth it.

 

So, I had better things to do today than keep track of all the bitching and blaming. My position on all of this is if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. The solution is to start living again. The problem is anyone that is keeping that from happening.

Here's a not so fun fact... Covid-19 has killed more people over 100 years of age than it has under 45.

 

The states are having to adjust their death tolls of Covid-19 to reflect those that died from Covid-19, and to not include those that died with Covid-19... some brilliant somebody figured out that there is a difference... duh.

 

I hear we should have a vaccine in July. My wife and I are caregivers to a 92 year old Air Force Veteran, and he's finally able to go somewhere other than a grocery store... he's happier. Plus my wife is going back to work starting Thursday, but her restaurant will only be operating at 25% capacity. I heard Texas is Phase 2 already, and Joe Biden won the Oregon Primary with 70% of the vote. That means 30% of the Democrats in Oregon didn't vote for Joe Biden when he's the only one left running. Say it ain't so Joe!