There are times when the greater good must outweigh the benefit of the individual.

Triggered... and it's coming from the guy who just complained about politicizing the issue.

 

Lemme fix this line for you...

 

"There is never a time when the mob's version of the greater good outweighs the liberty of the individual"

Perfect example is Gay Marriage. We also offer Gay Divorce. New services... fresh price tags... hefty profits.

 

Remember... the United States of America is a Republic.

At the start of this topic  I didn't want this to become politicized.  It meant a lot to me to be able to log in here and just shoot this shit.  I liked hearing about what everyone who choose to respond was doing. 

 

I liked hearing about you and your lovely wife drinking Palm Breeze in your new spa. 

 

It served to remind me there were better days ahead.

 

You know what Snowflake?  You are the one who choose to politicize this topic.  I choose to respond in kind.

 

Gay Marriage? What does that have to do with anything?   I really don't understand.  Is that a dig at me because I'm gay and happily married to the man I love?  Are you trying to say that my enshrined constitutional right to love and marry another man is in some way a bad thing?  That the Government has given way to mob rule?  Are you trying to say that a hetero normative way is better? Again,I don't understand.  

Maybe you can explain for my stupid, progressive, triggered, serve other's before yourself, and NCM brain can understand.

 

The USA is a Republic.

Okay, meaning you have a non-hereditary Head of State of who serves a fixed term and uses representative democracy.

Fine.

Canada is a Constitutional Monarchy. Meaning we have a Head of State who is hereditary and we use responsible government.

Now that we've fleshed that out.  What does "The USA is a Republic" have anything to do with the debate at hand?

 

Lys, you called me out for saying "there are times when the greater good must outweigh the individual".

That's something your Founding Fathers knew.  Go to your local library and read Tocqueville’s "Democracy In America."

 

 

I liked hearing about you and your lovely wife drinking Palm Breeze in your new spa.

Strange you should say that today... we just got word today that it will be delivered in 2 weeks. It has to be craned in.

 

 

You know what Snowflake?  You are the one who choose to politicize this topic.

Wrong on both counts... I never lose my cool with others opinions. I actually like to hear how wrong people are... it gives me a golden opportunity to make them look foolish. That's when the triggered snowflakes lose their mind and start hurling false accusations like I'm politicizing, deflecting, or a military hating homophobe racist. All are complete lies.

 

We are not the ones who politicized the issue. There are some of us that don't like wearing the stupid masks. We know it doesn't do anything to mitigate the spread of the virus. We also know that Covid is less dangerous than the seasonal flu. We also know that once you have had Covid, you have natural immunities against it. We also know that all these vaccines are experimental, approved for emergency use, and not approved by the FDA... that's the Food and Drug Administration here in the USA. There is absolutely no reason for me to get vaccinated, and just because you want me to is not a reason. I have had the virus already. Our doctor has advised against any of us to be injected with any of these vaccines... including the 94 year old Air Force Veteran that my wife and I are caregivers for.

 

Now I will tell you who has politicized the issue. Democrat Governors who locked down their states and forced their populations to wear masks. They used virus fear to mandate mailing out a ballot to every address, in every state, they could successfully get around their Constitution by using "Emergency Power". This bullshit caused the greatest election fraud in history. Morons like Joe Biden and Cameluh Harris who declared before the election that they would refuse to take a vaccine developed by Trump. Progressives that wear their mask like a MAGA hat, and demand everyone else fall in line. Just like the Climate Change lies... "it's gonna kill us all"

 

I put up Gay Marriage as an example of how a Republic works. Gay Marriage has never been accepted in the USA by a vote. It would have never passed by a majority vote of the general population. It was declared legal through majority opinion of the Supreme Court of the USA, as a Civil Right. So everyone sucked it up, and it now is widely accepted. A Republic is set up to protect individual rights... and they cannot be "voted" away by the mob. A Republic is far better than a Democracy.

 

I hope I have explained things enough for you to come away with a different point of view. I'm not taking the vaccine because I don't want it. I don't care how you "feel" about my decision. Progressives love to force people to do things that make them "feel" better.

 

I liked hearing about you and your lovely wife drinking Palm Breeze in your new spa.

Strange you should say that today... we just got word today that it will be delivered in 2 weeks. It has to be craned in.

 

 

You know what Snowflake?  You are the one who choose to politicize this topic.

Wrong on both counts... I never lose my cool with others opinions. I actually like to hear how wrong people are... it gives me a golden opportunity to make them look foolish. That's when the triggered snowflakes lose their mind and start hurling false accusations like I'm politicizing, deflecting, or a military hating homophobe racist. All are complete lies.

 

We are not the ones who politicized the issue. There are some of us that don't like wearing the stupid masks. We know it doesn't do anything to mitigate the spread of the virus. We also know that Covid is less dangerous than the seasonal flu. We also know that once you have had Covid, you have natural immunities against it. We also know that all these vaccines are experimental, approved for emergency use, and not approved by the FDA... that's the Food and Drug Administration here in the USA. There is absolutely no reason for me to get vaccinated, and just because you want me to is not a reason. I have had the virus already. Our doctor has advised against any of us to be injected with any of these vaccines... including the 94 year old Air Force Veteran that my wife and I are caregivers for.

 

Now I will tell you who has politicized the issue. Democrat Governors who locked down their states and forced their populations to wear masks. They used virus fear to mandate mailing out a ballot to every address, in every state, they could successfully get around their Constitution by using "Emergency Power". This bullshit caused the greatest election fraud in history. Morons like Joe Biden and Cameluh Harris who declared before the election that they would refuse to take a vaccine developed by Trump. Progressives that wear their mask like a MAGA hat, and demand everyone else fall in line. Just like the Climate Change lies... "it's gonna kill us all"

 

I put up Gay Marriage as an example of how a Republic works. Gay Marriage has never been accepted in the USA by a vote. It would have never passed by a majority vote of the general population. It was declared legal through majority opinion of the Supreme Court of the USA, as a Civil Right. So everyone sucked it up, and it now is widely accepted. A Republic is set up to protect individual rights... and they cannot be "voted" away by the mob. A Republic is far better than a Democracy.

 

I hope I have explained things enough for you to come away with a different point of view. I'm not taking the vaccine because I don't want it. I don't care how you "feel" about my decision. Progressives love to force people to do things that make them "feel" better.

 

 

Kinda like how republicans won't allow women to get abortions because it makes them "feel" better. It makes them "feel" like they are adhering to their supposedly "Christian" values while they shit on the poor and perpetuate institutionalized racism. 

 

You aren't wearing a mask or getting the vaccine because you KNOW with 100% certainty all of those things about Covid? Who told you those things again? Rand Paul and fox news? That is the exact politicization we're talking about. You're listening to an echo chamber and taking it as fact instead of examining multiple sources of info and taking an objective look. 

 

Our republic is nothing to hold up as an ideal. Our representatives are all bought and paid for through the lobbying system. They don't vote for what is best for their constituents, they vote to line their pockets. 

Kinda like how republicans won't allow women to get abortions because it makes them "feel" better.

Wrong... I'm a Pro-Choice Republican. When you demand taxpayers pay for abortions is where you go horribly wrong.

You aren't wearing a mask or getting the vaccine because you KNOW with 100% certainty all of those things about Covid?

No... I'm not wearing a mask because I've had Covid already and I'm not afraid of it. You are wanting to mandate masks and vaccinations because you like to force people into doing what makes you feel better when you have no where near 100% certainty over anything. It's all about who has power. Get your Trump vaccine and shut up.

Our republic is nothing to hold up as an ideal. Our representatives are all bought and paid for through the lobbying system. They don't vote for what is best for their constituents, they vote to line their pockets.

Glad to know that you understand how all you Progressives are all bought and paid for. Are you going stop now?

 

Kinda like how republicans won't allow women to get abortions because it makes them "feel" better.

Wrong... I'm a Pro-Choice Republican. When you demand taxpayers pay for abortions is where you go horribly wrong.

You aren't wearing a mask or getting the vaccine because you KNOW with 100% certainty all of those things about Covid?

No... I'm not wearing a mask because I've had Covid already and I'm not afraid of it. You are wanting to mandate masks and vaccinations because you like to force people into doing what makes you feel better when you have no where near 100% certainty over anything. It's all about who has power. Get your Trump vaccine and shut up.

Our republic is nothing to hold up as an ideal. Our representatives are all bought and paid for through the lobbying system. They don't vote for what is best for their constituents, they vote to line their pockets.

Glad to know that you understand how all you Progressives are all bought and paid for. Are you going stop now?

 

 

Well, I would agree with you that abortions shouldn't be taxpayer funded under our current system, though I also believe in universal healthcare and under that system I think they should be. 

 

I already got my vaccine, no thanks to trump who wanted to inject sunlight and bleach into people. Its exactly because we don't have 100% certainty that wearing a mask at the very least is something everyone should be doing. We should be doing everything we can to bring it back under control instead of just shrugging our shoulders and letting it continue to kill people and saying "oh well". I will not in fact shut up on that particular point, as its one that too many people who live in right wing echo chambers refuse to listen to but need to hear.

 

Why would I stop, you just tried to say that your "conservative" asshats aren't bought and paid for? I can acknowledge that most of congress, on both sides, is corrupt as fuck and they have made it legal to be so. Are you unable to admit that the right are just as complicit because it conflicts with this false world view that you've concocted based on Rand Paul and Fox news?

Gotta tone down the profanity. It's easy to forget we are PG-13 as this section of the Forum is publicly visible.

 

 

though I also believe in universal healthcare and under that system I think they should be.

As soon as you Progressives can get everything that has anything at all to do with healthcare to slave for the government and accept a teachers salary, well that's never gonna happen. Any other wonderful Communist ideas inside that noggin?

 

 

I already got my vaccine, no thanks to trump who wanted to inject sunlight and bleach into people.

Once CNN cranks out a lie, you guys just never want to let it go. Trump had the vaccines created with historic speed... against great pressure from those of you who wanted him to fail. Now you want to force everyone to take it. We just don't understand how your brains work. Maybe Andrew Cuomo can get Michael Avenatti to represent him? That would be something to watch.

 

 

We should be doing everything we can to bring it back under control

It's completely under control where I'm sitting, and I never had a problem during the 10 days last April when I had it. The only scary issues I have heard are from the liars in Government and the media. I don't believe them.

 

 

Why would I stop, you just tried to say that your "conservative" asshats aren't bought and paid for?

Yes... all us Conservative asshats are all bought and paid for... we are tirelessly working to uphold the Constitution.

 

 

Gotta tone down the profanity. It's easy to forget we are PG-13 as this section of the Forum is publicly visible.

Best to ban the %@#%& children... nothing in my life is PG-13.

 

though I also believe in universal healthcare and under that system I think they should be.

As soon as you Progressives can get everything that has anything at all to do with healthcare to slave for the government and accept a teachers salary, well that's never gonna happen. Any other wonderful Communist ideas inside that noggin?

 

 

I already got my vaccine, no thanks to trump who wanted to inject sunlight and bleach into people.

Once CNN cranks out a lie, you guys just never want to let it go. Trump had the vaccines created with historic speed... against great pressure from those of you who wanted him to fail. Now you want to force everyone to take it. We just don't understand how your brains work. Maybe Andrew Cuomo can get Michael Avenatti to represent him? That would be something to watch.

 

 

We should be doing everything we can to bring it back under control

It's completely under control where I'm sitting, and I never had a problem during the 10 days last April when I had it. The only scary issues I have heard are from the liars in Government and the media. I don't believe them.

 

 

Why would I stop, you just tried to say that your "conservative" asshats aren't bought and paid for?

Yes... all us Conservative asshats are all bought and paid for... we are tirelessly working to uphold the Constitution.

 

 

Gotta tone down the profanity. It's easy to forget we are PG-13 as this section of the Forum is publicly visible.

Best to ban the %@#%& children... nothing in my life is PG-13.

 

 

Coherent sentences and ideas would be preferred if discourse is expected. 

 

I think the President isn't the be all end all of the US government, because it never has been. I do however believe in direct quotes, like this one;

"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous - whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," the president said, turning to Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response co-ordinator, "and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it.

"And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting," the president continued.

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

"So it'd be interesting to check that."

 

 

So from a sample size of 1, clearly that is what happens every time. That's how definitely science works. Why do they even have trials for vaccines, they should just get one person to inject it, that's all it takes to figure out what happens.

 

"working to uphold the constitution"..... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/13/america-is-full-of-democracy-deserts-wisconsin-rivals-congo-on-some-metrics

Ha ha ha, funny joke.

 

 

"working to uphold the constitution"..... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/13/america-is-full-of-democracy-deserts-wisconsin-rivals-congo-on-some-metrics

Looks like you don't like the way states draw their congressional districts. This is easy to solve... just get out there and run for every state legislature seat in the country. If you win them all, you can all by your lonesome, draw them up the way you want them. If you can't do that, then you will have to leave it up to the people who actually win the seats... it's their job.

 

Was that "coherent" enough for you? If it's too long to read, the short version is that it's not up to you, and they don't care how you feel about how they draw their congressional districts. And for the record... they don't care how I feel about it either. 

You're right they don't care. They don't care about the people they supposedly represent, they care about holding onto power. I don't have to leave it up to them, because its something that we should outlaw if we want to pretend to be the shining light of democracy in the world that we aren't. 

Something tells me that you would feel differently if it were Democrats that were gaining 7 seats from the census redistricting.

Release of Detailed 2020 Census Data Sets Stage for 2022 Midterms (breitbart.com)

 

The four horseman of the Biden apocalypse... Crime, Inflation, Illegal Immigration, Covid-19

 

I only hope we can rid ourselves of his incompetence soon enough to stop them.

Something tells me that you would feel differently if it were Democrats that were gaining 7 seats from the census redistricting.

Release of Detailed 2020 Census Data Sets Stage for 2022 Midterms (breitbart.com)

 

The four horseman of the Biden apocalypse... Crime, Inflation, Illegal Immigration, Covid-19

 

I only hope we can rid ourselves of his incompetence soon enough to stop them.

 

No I don't feel different. Gerrymandering is corrupt and the people Gerrymandering these districts to keep power should be thrown in prison and never allowed to hold office again.

 

 

Gerrymandering is corrupt and the people Gerrymandering these districts to keep power should be thrown in prison and never allowed to hold office again.

Prison is for people that break the law. They are literally following the law when drawing their congressional districts... so first we would have to take that power away from them and pass legislation to make it illegal for state legislators to draw congressional districts. Then they would have to somehow do it anyway... then we can throw them all in prison.

 

There have been cases where the courts have stepped in and disqualified redistricting because it was absurd, but it's rare. States make their owns laws, so the best you can hope for is leading the charge to change things in your own state. Do you somehow believe the Senate should be able pass a bill through reconciliation, send that puppy over to Fancy Nancy for a quick voice vote, and then up for a speedy signing ceremony with Joe... and then BOOM! Federal control of all 50 state election procedures?

 

It's a Republic my friend... isn't gonna happen.

 

Gerrymandering is corrupt and the people Gerrymandering these districts to keep power should be thrown in prison and never allowed to hold office again.

Prison is for people that break the law. They are literally following the law when drawing their congressional districts... so first we would have to take that power away from them and pass legislation to make it illegal for state legislators to draw congressional districts. Then they would have to somehow do it anyway... then we can throw them all in prison.

 

There have been cases where the courts have stepped in and disqualified redistricting because it was absurd, but it's rare. States make their owns laws, so the best you can hope for is leading the charge to change things in your own state. Do you somehow believe the Senate should be able pass a bill through reconciliation, send that puppy over to Fancy Nancy for a quick voice vote, and then up for a speedy signing ceremony with Joe... and then BOOM! Federal control of all 50 state election procedures?

 

It's a Republic my friend... isn't gonna happen.

 

 

I did say SHOULD not that they will be. 

 

No I don't think the games that they play in senate are right. I don't think that the games that they've been playing for years where both sides kill bills that the other side proposes by refusing to hold votes on them is right. There's so much about what goes on congress that is just fundamentally wrong in my opinion. Clearly its a systemic problem, and so I can rail on and on about how this senator or rep or that is a corrupt P.o.S, but it won't change and their actions won't be punished unless someone changes the rules.

 

 

I don't think that the games that they've been playing for years where both sides kill bills that the other side proposes by refusing to hold votes on them is right.

The Constitution was written to make it as hard as possible for the Federal Government to pass laws to infringe on the rights, liberty, and freedom of the people. Over time, the Federal Government has more and more ventured into the realm of issues that it was never intended to even have an opinion on. This makes the 60 Senate votes for Cloture even more important to uphold. If a Bill cannot get 60 votes in the Senate... It's probably a bad law.

 

I expect the House of Representatives to think with their hearts, and the Senate to govern with their brains. This division is getting far too hard to recognize, and any Senator that is soft on the hard line between the houses of Congress really needs to be voted out of office... with great speed. I never want to see anything get through the Senate without 60 votes to end debate, but too many Senators have their head up their political butts. Probably because their bought and paid for... LOL!

 

Getting way off the topic of the fake pandemic.

Strange you should say that today... we just got word today that it will

be delivered in 2 weeks. It has to be craned in.

 

Really, that's suppose to impress who?  What you have money?  So rich your new hot tub has to be craned in?  Just have to show us stupid peasants how well off you are?

Do you know is said about people who brag about having money?  They don't.

You know what, go on TicTok with that narcissistic crap.  You can impress a  bunch of vacuous, self absorbed nitwits. 

Just like yourself.

 

Wrong on both counts... I never lose my cool with others opinions. I actually like to hear how wrong people are... it gives me a golden opportunity to make them look foolish. That's when the triggered snowflakes lose their mind and start hurling false accusations like I'm politicizing, deflecting, or a military hating homophobe racist. All are complete lies.

 

ROFLMAO!  That's the best bloody thing I've heard all bloody week!

Not in the least, you never loose your cool.  You respond with "logic and reason."

 

I've read most of what you've posted here, you know what I saw?  You losing your "cool" time and time again.  All I've seen in your nonsensical rants and raves, is anger and fear.  Any opinion that questions your deeply held beliefs, results in ad hominem attacks, deflections,  reductio ad absurdum, and the inability to stay on topic.  All in a desire to wear your opponent down through sheer exhaustion with the intent to win.  Just because your fragile ego can't handle being wrong.

 

In reference to the above quote "J'accuse".  Flocon de neige.

When you say thing like "go to some idiot doctor to get their dicks chopped off."  I accuse you of being transphobic.

When you say things like "I put up with gay marriage."

Just like I have to "put up" with being not able to go into certain parts of this city, this country, and I can't  hold my husband's hand.  Just because we will be verbally accosted or physically assaulted. I accuse you of being homophobic.

When you openly spit on 158 dead soldiers.  When you spit on the countless Canadian, Commonwealth, and other Allied Soldiers, who have won American decorations for valour, including the Medal of Honor. I accuse you of being anti-military.

 

I noticed in a reply to Chaplin of Death, you're on about how the USA is a Republic, 'cause the states done make their own laws.

Now you're talking about Federalism.  Which has absolutely nothing to do with "being a Republic"

Jesus, make no wonder you're dumb enough to fall for the lies and misinformation the right wing media is telling you.

You have absolutely no idea about how your own country is governed.

That explains a lot.

What's that?  I'm just a stupid, know nothing Canuk.  I done don't nothing about  how this here "Greatest Nation on this here God's Earth" .  Just shut yer danged <insert the following slur here> (faggot (yes, I can use that word, because I am one), commie, Socialist, Nazi, Fascist, progressive, and/or elitist), mouth.

Well, my Political Science degree begs to differ with your ignorant self.

Opps, shouldn't have said I have a University level education.  I can only imagine the abuse you'll heap on me now.  I guess I'm just a "latte sipping, left wing, effete, limp wristed liberal."

Oh my what ever will I do.

Buddy, you have to get out and breathe some fresh air. Plus you can't be posting my words under quote from CoD... that's just wrong.

I have too much respect for him to be tagged with my verbiage.

 

I'm not a wealthy man. I am very... "comfortable" is a good word for it. I worked very hard for several years as a Graphic Artist and Musician, with full intent to become wealthy. I discovered that the more money I made, the more ways there were to take it from me. So I quit working hard, and started working smart, with full intent to spend my time doing exactly what I wanted to do at all times.

 

The last time I took a real financial hit was in 2009, when I had a large mortgage on a $600,000 house, that was suddenly worth $225,000 after the Real Estate crash. I could not refinance the balloon payment that would come due because the house wasn't worth the mortgage... so we lost that house. Swearing I would never have that happen again, we paid cash for everything. Now we are debt free and own two houses in Las Vegas... free and clear. I set my Mother-In-Law up to live in one of them, so she never has to worry about paying for a place to live. My wife and I live in the other one, where we also have our 94 year old Air Force Veteran living with us. Our 4 children are adults and they all live on their own.

 

My wife still works her ass off 6 nights a week at an Outback Steakhouse... she loves her work.

 

The hot tub has to be craned in because it's delivered as one piece that's too big to go around, or through, the house... it has to go over it. It has nothing to do with being "wealthy". I only mentioned it because you mentioned it. I'm sorry it offended you.

 

Also... If you're gonna quote me, quote me correctly. I said "I put up Gay Marriage as an example of how a Republic works."... I didn't say "I put up with Gay Marriage". Sorry again for the misunderstanding.

On a positive note, I hear Biden and Fauci are celebrating at Camp David right now.

Their plan to force 100% of the female population of Afghanistan to wear a mask is a screamin' success.

Bill Maher was on Kimmel's show discussing the effect the fake pandemic has had on his profession. Blue State insanity.

Maher: 'Liberal Media' Must Take 'Responsibility' for Scaring People about COVID People in Blue... - YouTube

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/osha-suspends-enforcement-of-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate/ar-AAQOT7y?ocid=BingNewsSearch&pfr=1

OSHA folded on their mandate. They knew they were gonna lose.

So, if anyone wants to tell you you must get vaxxed to keep your job... they are lying.

I am guessing private employers can still try to mandate it, thou offcourse with various (local) laws being thrown at it to opt-out I'd guess. Let alone what "at-will" adds to that equation.

Another part is adding PCR (or equivalent) testing added to the mandate, which for example would add immuno-compromised people to the table (and sure, also the objectors). Heck you could even forgo the vaccination and put it to only testing, as sadly carriers still excist in vaccinated pop.

 

What's your take on medical staff being mandated, state or private operated? Or about federal or other gov contracts adding a mandate to it?

I believe private business should be allowed to do whatever they believe is best for their business. It is after all... their business.

 

The issue is, who is responsible for implementing and enforcing the mandate? They can't blame it on a Federal mandate... so it's on them. If the business is going to fire people for refusing vaccination, then they are responsible for their unemployment.

 

There are many people, like my wife and myself, who have natural immunity, and they so far have not recognized it in any of their research. It's all political at this point, and just another issue to divide and anger people for political and monetary gain.

 

There will be a huge reckoning.

Natural immunity comes forwards in the PCR testing (can even be seperated from vaccin immunity), hence me adding it as an equivalent to vaccination. And it has been looked at already, with results in line of "more immunity from heavier symptoms", so the hospitalized crowd has better immunity then the "I got some sniffles", offcourse with personal variance. Btw, the sniffle crowd has basically lost their natural immunity already.

 

Reckoning to keep the US count from reaching a million? Guess you want to abolish DUI aswell I guess...

 

 

Reckoning to keep the US count from reaching a million? Guess you want to abolish DUI aswell I guess...

I have no idea how count or DUI ties into this. I said that it's all political at this point, and there will be a reckoning on the people that are using it for political and monetary gain. They only want to force sale their vaccines, and mail in ballots so they can continue cheating.

 

There will be a reckoning.