You thinking it is "political" while atleast 750k already died from it and the government actually tries to "for the good of the people", I equal that to thinking DUI is "political" and should be thrown out.

 

 

Yes there are people using it for "poliical" gain, thou shocker they are found on BOTH sides. Talk much about GOPers who readily got vaccinated but spout anti-vaxx rhetoric? Perhaps talk much about GOP figureheads getting "mild" to non-excisting COVID-19 symptoms but immedeatly go for the $2,5k per pop Regeneron anti-body treatment? I doubt I need to go for the "monetary" side of things do I, or should we start speaking about operation Warp Speed?

 

 

And cry us a river about the non-excisting mail in ballot cheating, or do you want to speak about the couple Republican voters who got caught (and thus show checks ARE in play)? Or perhaps the GOP politician who tried?

 

 

You thinking it is "political" while atleast 750k already died from it and the government actually tries to "for the good of the people", I equal that to thinking DUI is "political" and should be thrown out.

Death is a fact of life. People die every day. Most of us do our level best to avoid it for as long as possible. I will join the army of the dead myself in due course.

 

Once in a while, death can be a useful tool to scare people into doing things that they would normally never do. Like allowing governments to spend enormous amounts of our money on pet projects, shifting great wealth from one sector of infrastructure to more expensive alternatives for their own profit, or terrifying the population into surrendering their freedom to a government that does their level best to convince the population that they have everything under control, and we'll all be safe under their care... for the sole purpose of creating a system of government that ensures they will never again be required to surrender power to the people.

 

Covid-19 became such a convenient cause of death, and they just don't want to let it go.

 

 

Talk much about GOPers who readily got vaccinated but spout anti-vaxx rhetoric?

I'm a Republican. I was a strong advocate for creating the vaccines as fast as possible. I was in favor of delivering these vaccines to anyone who wanted them, free of charge. I will help pick up the check for doing that. I never intended to take these vaccines myself. I will never be forced by anyone to inject that shit... into me. I'm not "Anti-Vax"... I am "Anti-Mandate". Go try to scare someone else.

There is death, and their is avoidable death by action. Sure I will eventually drop dead, but would I like to be killed off by a passing idiot who couldn't take a simple precaution of quarantening for 14 das of his life to not possibly spread his deadly bugs to anyone else? Yeah I'd like to think that people would do that for me or society at large as I would do for them.

 

And dragging your rhetoric about spenddrifting politicians towards things you yourself might not deem worthy is more a signal of how you stand towards politics then how politicians in general are. Heck even I don't stand behind the entire budget allocation of Belgium, even ignoring the stuff I deem unneeded but understand it has to be added, I wouldn't want to rescind what I myself wouldn't support, that isn't what living in a society is.

Then again, Capitalism 101 is just what you described, perhaps your system is showing its flaws. Enjoy Corporate Government.

 

 

Anti-Mandate = Anti-Seatbelt (personal) + Anti-DUI (3rd party)

 

 

but would I like to be killed off by a passing idiot who couldn't take a simple precaution of quarantening for 14 das of his life to not possibly spread his deadly bugs to anyone else?

That's what vaccines are for... all you are saying here is the vaccines don't work. 

It's much worse in Belgium... no wonder you're so scared.

Violence breaks out at Brussels anti-vaccine protest in Europe's latest day of rage | Daily Mail Online

 

but would I like to be killed off by a passing idiot who couldn't take a simple precaution of quarantening for 14 das of his life to not possibly spread his deadly bugs to anyone else?

That's what vaccines are for... all you are saying here is the vaccines don't work. 

 

 

Vaccines were made holier then the church by a fraction of politicians who knew nothing of their workings nor the science behind it. The vaccines indeed aren't like the measles one were you are "cleared" for a lifetime, they are in line with fly vaccines in that their effectiveness diminishes over the year(s). or rather the human body diminshes the responce, but lets not go to into the biology.

 

The vaccines were, and are, meant to keep massive outbreaks away, work in tandem with people observing sanitary requirements, keep to quarantine when ill and free up hospitals to truly care for the people with immunological deficiencies or major secondary health issues who could still contract the virus.

 

Like there is no magic pill that will rid you of the current or future infection (of whatever virus), neither is the vaccines the end-all to this situation. It requires the cooperation of society in its entirety to try and keep it down an manageable (cause unlike SARS or MERS, this one got out of the box to far).

 

It's much worse in Belgium... no wonder you're so scared.

Violence breaks out at Brussels anti-vaccine protest in Europe's latest day of rage | Daily Mail Online

If I need to be scared each time our capital hosts a protest, I don't think I would have time to sleep...

 

Yeah 35k people came together to protest, a legitimete practice which happended without interference from either the goverment or the police. Now to couple these people together with the ~500 hooligans who afterwards left a trail of destruction is actually an insult to these protestors. Don't tell me you guys don't have thugs running the "after party" of protests just so they can run amok?

 

 

Like there is no magic pill that will rid you of the current or future infection (of whatever virus), neither is the vaccines the end-all to this situation.

I hope some day you will allow yourself the freedom to abandon the self imposed exile you have imprisoned yourself in. Life is going on out there, and I truly feel sorry for you. It's called "Coronaphobia".

Coronaphobia Is a New Disorder Emerging From the COVID-19 Pandemic-Here's What You Need to Know | Health.com

 

 

Don't tell me you guys don't have thugs running the "after party" of protests just so they can run amok?

We have thugs running the entire thing... from start to... oh well, I don't believe they have finished yet. 

I am by no means staying cooped up, and while I understand social anxiety is on the rise I was more alluding to the people who for medical reasons need this bug squashed to manageble levels instead of bi-yearly flare-ups that overtax our healthcare system.

I am by no means staying cooped up, and while I understand social anxiety is on the rise I was more alluding to the people who for medical reasons need this bug squashed to manageble levels instead of bi-yearly flare-ups that overtax our healthcare system.

Covid is a virus. It cannot be killed off. The only way to beat it is to make everyone immune to it. These vaccines do not make you immune to Covid... they are mRNA, which creates a barrier on your cells that retards the virus ability to enter your cells. Obviously, it is not perfect. I believe, if you are going to go the vaccination route... get the vaccine that actually gives you the virus in a non-threatening, dead viral form. Just like we did with Smallpox. You want to be free of Covid? Get Covid... get immune... and survive.

 

Get on with your life... you only get one.

Virii can be killed off, when indeed no viable vector is left to them, aka total immunity in the population.

 

And who gave you that info on vaccine workings? mRNA does no such thing, regardless if it is viral in origin or not. Heck not all the vaccines are even RNA based!

 

Yes RNA vaccines are new, cutting edge technology from the US even! They are a breakthruw in making cheaper, fast refolmulation vaccines against virii who mutate beyond the scope of the regular vaccine developed for them.

 

 

I am getting on with my life, while also taking steps so society in its entirety can go on. And please get of the myth that "natural" vaccination is somehow better, stronger or unlimited, it is neither of those.

 

 

mRNA does no such thing, regardless if it is viral in origin or not. Heck not all the vaccines are even RNA based!

What? You make a declaration, and back it up with fairy dust. A vaccine is taking a virus, making it innocuous, then injecting it into a person to create an immunity. An mRNA is a treatment that when injected into a person creates a cellular block preventing further viral infection. It's simple to understand. Both are effective... natural immunity is better. Get your jab, take off your mask, go outside, live your life, and most of all... stay the hell out of other people's life. Be afraid of death by yourself.

While I wouldn't declare myself good at biology, I did however pick up some stuff from it in high school. So I shall go into more detail about my comment surrounding RNA.

 

A vaccine can come in several forms, thou its first incarnation starts as inactivated virii particles being injected to trigger an immuno responce from the body. The Chinese vaccines of Sinopharm and Sinovac together with the Indian vaccin of Bharat Biotech are the current COVID-19 vaccines that fall into this category. They are old and reliable technology but with clear risks as the virus itself needs to be cultured (bred) before inactivation and then injection. The inactivated particles get injected, our immuno responce get triggered just like a "life" virus and we get anti-bodies that will work if we get infected with the "real deal".

 

A new breed of vaccines are the RNA(/DNA) vaccines, most commenly known as the Pfizer/BioNtech and the Moderna vaccines. This relative new technology has been developed from the '90s and was first commercially allowed to be used with the COVID-19 vaccines. This technology makes use of small RNA molecules which get injected and incoorperated into our cells. Inside our cells they will act as mRNA (a subdivition of RNA which stands for "messenger" RNA) and will trigger our cells to develop the protein inscribed with that RNA chain. This protein is part of the virus that would also have been made if the virus in its entirety infected our calls, the protein itself is a "spikeprotein" which normally resides on the viral enveloppe (aka the packaging) of the virus. Now with this protein being synthesized in our bodies are thus viral in nature, our immuno responce will trigger and will identify and create anti-bodies specific for this protein. This has a bonus effect that no complete virus needs to be kept nor bred to make this vaccine, severely diminishing the dangers in the fabrication process. Another bonus effect is that the RNA chain can be rather easily "modified" if the virus in the wild mutates, thus keeping closer match and keeping the vaccine "up-to-date". A negative effect is that this only gives us anti-bodies for that 1 protein, and not the several that normally reside on the viral envelope, this is also why PCR-testing can check if your anti-bodies come solely from the RNA-vaccine or from an actual virus (inactivated or "life").

 

Now a third and also very new vaccine technology is the viral-vector method, used by Russia's Spoetnik, AstraZeneca, Johnson&Johnson and a 3rd Chinese vaccine. This technology relies on the usage of the Adeno-virus family (a well known and documented viral family) to infect our cells with a DNA chain that codes for an anti-body specific for the COVID-19 virus. This is the first time this method was used for a worldwide vaccine, previously it was used for patient specific treatments in which the DNA chain introduced aided the patient in making vital proteins which their own DNA missed (or miss-made). You could say that this technology is somewhat in between the 2 previously mentioned, it doesn't introduce viral DNA but it does immedeatly support our immonocells by making the correct anti-bodies. As with the RNA-vaccine, this does indeed only targets 1 "spikeprotein" and is thus subject to less functionality as the target virus mutates.

 

 

What you were mixing up is what our immuno responce consists of, namely anti-bodies that help guide our immunocells (T-cells and others) to the viral particles and destroy them. Yes anti-bodies are RNA in nature, but they do not prevent per-se prevent a virus from entering our cells. They "flag" them so our immunocells can target and fight them. I added "per-se" cause it is possible that the "flag" the anti-bodies get triggered on is the same part the virus ususes to gain entry to our cells, as such it may indeed "hinder" the entry point. However this is nor absolute nor complete. Anti-bodies create no cellular block so to speak, they "flag".

 

Any other questions or further diving into a specific part, feel free to ask and I shall answer to the best of my ability.

 

 

I am vaccinated, I am going out, I am living my life. I am also wearing a mask in crowds, keeping a restricted social life and adhering to other health related mandates/suggestions/advice cause I CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S LIFE!

tl;dr

basically, RNA doesn't block entry to cells. The vaccines which use it work by mimicking a part of the viral RNA and training our immunity by making a harmless viral protein associetated with the virus in our cells.

 

You were kinda speaking about the Regeneron treatment, that injects anti-bodies directly so it can be used while infected (but offers little to no vaccination effects).

Right... they don't work... I get it.

 

Same story, new angle. Let's create a fake crisis, and we'll sell people a cure. If they don't swallow it willingly, we'll force them.

Very similar to the Climate Change scam.

 

It's the new MIB Variant now... I have plenty more fuck off variants I haven't used yet.

 

Oh sorry... MIB stands for Mail-In Ballots.

tl;dr

 

You seem to have dropped this in another thread:

 

For the most part, us Americans determined long ago, that talking about stuff is a good thing. The flow of ideas is the root of all progress. If we have a group of people that really want something to happen, it's my obligation, as an American, to speak up about what that thing will do, and what will go wrong with it. It sounds like you don't want to hear that. Then don't read it. There are many members of IRON that no longer talk to me. Did you think you were the first?

Part of the reason why I barely come to these forums anymore, there simply isn't a point anymore

 

 

Part of the reason why I barely come to these forums anymore, there simply isn't a point anymore

The only reason I come to these forums anymore is to give you something to come here for... that's the point. 

I've been waiting for the devastating report from South Africa about the new MIB... oh sorry... Omi-whatever variant.

Much worse than I expected. Wash the masks and stock up on toilet paper, because the authorities will be coming with chains to bar you inside your domicile. Ground all flights and close the stores! Somebody has the flu.

 

South African doctor says omicron variant symptoms ‘unusual but mild’ | Fox News

 

"It presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two not feeling well," Coetzee explained. "So far, we have detected that those infected do not suffer the loss of taste or smell. They might have a slight cough. There are no prominent symptoms. Of those infected some are currently being treated at home."

Right... they don't work... I get it.

 

Same story, new angle. Let's create a fake crisis, and we'll sell people a cure. If they don't swallow it willingly, we'll force them.

Very similar to the Climate Change scam.

 

It's the new MIB Variant now... I have plenty more fuck off variants I haven't used yet.

 

Oh sorry... MIB stands for Mail-In Ballots.

 

What doesn't work?

 

People were sold the cure by politicians, I thought you guys knew better then to trust politicians with cures? Meanwhile the medical sciences were bringing out tools to combat the spread and aid the infected. The scam was political, and is being propagated by them as to this moment.

 

And yeah we got a new variant, shocker, virus mutates . You know when virusses do mutate, when they got human petridishes to fester in who don't follow basic hygiene or medical advice.

 

 

I've been waiting for the devastating report from South Africa about the new MIB... oh sorry... Omi-whatever variant.

Much worse than I expected. Wash the masks and stock up on toilet paper, because the authorities will be coming with chains to bar you inside your domicile. Ground all flights and close the stores! Somebody has the flu.

 

South African doctor says omicron variant symptoms ‘unusual but mild’ | Fox News

 

"It presents mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two not feeling well," Coetzee explained. "So far, we have detected that those infected do not suffer the loss of taste or smell. They might have a slight cough. There are no prominent symptoms. Of those infected some are currently being treated at home."

I am hoping it is more infectious but less harmfull, this way it "hogs" the bodies and keeps the more lethal variants at bay. Also we are already to late to keep this one bottled up aswell, sadly again by asymptomatic people. The Beleneses football team can speak for that.

 

 

And again, this is much worse then the flu. Or do you folks have filled hospitals every winter? Your nation lost 750k over the better part of 2 years, name a single virus that does that AND proclaim their total innocence.

 

 

And again, this is much worse then the flu. Or do you folks have filled hospitals every winter? Your nation lost 750k over the better part of 2 years

I agree, it was devastating. Covid is the only virus to ever cause diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, cancer, auto fatalities, drownings, gunshot wounds, and anything else that prevented oxygen from reaching the brain. It also shut down surgeries, chemo therapy, and transplants. The most deadly thing that Covid has caused... is called "Mass Stupidity".

 

I have had Covid-19... it's not "much worse than the flu". I got it from my wife. I lost taste, smell, mild pain in lungs, throat, and headache. It vanished in 10 days. Believe me... I was expecting it to get worse. It did not. I had pneumonia when I was 16. I had a temp of 108 and I was in the hospital for two weeks... they didn't shut the world down because of it, and it didn't kill me.

And neither did you die from the flu, but it also kills thousands each year. Your personal anecdote does not invalidate the >750k USA COVID-19 deaths. Heck I don't eve recall the last time I had the flu, let alone it keeping me in bed due to symptoms, doesn't in my mind invalidate the 27k belgians who died from COVID.

 

 

Yeah it is horrible that hospitals have to scale back other potential lifesaving treatments due to having their entire staff working on all those poor buggers dieing on ventilators while isolated in the ICU due to the infectiousness of this virus. Sad part is, now we mostly need to blame the idiots who keep skirting save hygene practices in the name of "personal freedom" while they have little chance of landing in the hospital but in the mean time have real influence on everyone they might infect, especially the immunocompromised (regardless of immunity status).

 

 

The USA loses less then 3M a year, the only things outpacing it are heart diseases and cancer, which are umbrella terms for a plutorial of conditions. This virus is going the route of the Spanish flu by how the world keeps handling it. Go be angry at how it still is a massive killer even in our futuristic age of science and medicine!

Wow... I guess the vaccines don't work.

Neither do the Tetanus ones right? cause you need a booster every 10 years?

 

And definatly not the flu ones, cause they roll out a new one EACH YEAR!

 

 

Lys, do you think the human body is infallable? Perhaps you should go find some twice infected, non-vaxxed people, they are out there.

Neither do the Tetanus ones right? cause you need a booster every 10 years?

And definatly not the flu ones, cause they roll out a new one EACH YEAR!

Lys, do you think the human body is infallable? Perhaps you should go find some twice infected, non-vaxxed people, they are out there.

I don't get any of those either. So far, and it's been a very long so far, mine has been pretty damned infallible.

If it's not broke... don't fix it. My time will come when my time comes. I have had a wonderful life.

 

I'll take a few minutes to thank the million fellow Yellowstone fans that have come to Las Vegas this week to spend millions of their hard-earned dollars in my city on the rodeo. Those wonderful people didn't bring their stupid masks with them. They instead brought their huge middle fingers to show the governor how they feel about his stupid mask mandate. The local authorities will do nothing but smile, because the hotels are full, and everyone is happy. The best selling t-shirt is "Let's Go Brandon!"

 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/rodeo-fans-flaunt-mask-mandate-but-state-regulators-are-watching-2490341/?itm_source=parsely-api

 

I have to fix this headline because it's not long enough to tell the story...

"Rodeo fans flaunt mask mandate but state regulators are watching as rodeo fans flaunt mask mandate"

You don't know if it was infallable, as you could be asymptomatic, heck just as I with 2 shots could be, hence I wear a mask in crowded public or otherwise mandated locations.

 

Again, this is for society. Society filled with people with lesser fortunate immunosystems, people who also hope that various other vaccines are taken by those that they frequent with so both them (the immuno compromised) as the society as a whole can be better protected against viral outbreaks.

 

 

And thanks for showing that money beats (public) health once again...