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[BA-11] A Dance with Dragons - SK Wins


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Nope, that was me Kevin!

Hard to argue with your success, but was I feeling pretty good about things right up until I died.

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Captain was an unstoppable vig, as he was a fucking fire breathing dragon lol. So even tho you rb'd him he still burned you to a crisp.


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Why did you lynch Cod btw?


You would have 100% shot him if he somehow survived and TW died, so my options were:

1) Lynch him, and make you go after someone else instead of COD (which I was hoping would be Velocity but anyone worked), and give me a slightly more bulletproof argument that I'm town since I would have to go 2 days and 2 nights on my own to win.
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2) Leave him alive, and then when you inevitably shot him the next night and he showed up as having been scum the whole time, everyone who DIDN'T hammer him and instead left him alive would immediately be sus.

It was semi lose-lose since I was going to have to go solo either way, but I felt like option #1 had way more upside. In the end I didn't expect Velocity to basically be able to figure out that I was the last scum immediately, and I definitely didn't expect everyone to buy his arguments lol, but honestly if you bought that then I was never going to win on my own anyway.

Oh well, you live and you learn.

 

 

I got painted into a corner by the fact that the town chose to break a themed setup with a no mass role claim rule. I could either role claim after complaining about all the jumps to role claim, which would have been obviously fake anyway since literally everyone had already claimed, or just ride it out and hope I made it to deadline on a tie and won the trial. I have no idea why this game wasn't abandoned or people didn't start getting actually mod killed to deter the role claims at first vote.

 

 

 

 

Why did you lynch Cod btw?


You would have 100% shot him if he somehow survived and TW died, so my options were:

1) Lynch him, and make you go after someone else instead of COD (which I was hoping would be Velocity but anyone worked), and give me a slightly more bulletproof argument that I'm town since I would have to go 2 days and 2 nights on my own to win.
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2) Leave him alive, and then when you inevitably shot him the next night and he showed up as having been scum the whole time, everyone who DIDN'T hammer him and instead left him alive would immediately be sus.

It was semi lose-lose since I was going to have to go solo either way, but I felt like option #1 had way more upside. In the end I didn't expect Velocity to basically be able to figure out that I was the last scum immediately, and I definitely didn't expect everyone to buy his arguments lol, but honestly if you bought that then I was never going to win on my own anyway.

Oh well, you live and you learn.

 

 

Smart indeed. Thanks for that.


 

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This surprised me.  Was it the serial killer?

 

 

Nope, that was me Kevin!

 

 

We had roleblocked you, hence our confusion. We were banking on stopping your kill to draw suspicion onto your role claim. Wasted several abilities to that end. I actually thought that Brewers had bastardized the Vengeful role that MK had rather than something dumb like an unstoppable vig.  :blink:



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I got painted into a corner by the fact that the town chose to break a themed setup with a no mass role claim rule.


Honestly I'm so used to people playing like this that sometimes I completely forget that it's a thing. If you're scum in a closed setup you almost have to immediately start thinking about how to fake claim, since the rules for mass claiming are really loose and it tends not to be a thing that mods will shut down unless it gets extremely abused. It's dumb but the bigger priority for mods tends to be having a game full of people who are at least semi-active, which is why so many games have post count requirements that mods will actually remove people over.

That being said, I may start policy lynching people who legitimately claim for no reason, even if I think it's true or they're town. It abuses games like this and isn't fair to others who are putting effort into the game, and I'd rather lose games because people are breaking rules than win because of it.

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I got painted into a corner by the fact that the town chose to break a themed setup with a no mass role claim rule.


Honestly I'm so used to people playing like this that sometimes I completely forget that it's a thing. If you're scum in a closed setup you almost have to immediately start thinking about how to fake claim, since the rules for mass claiming are really loose and it tends not to be a thing that mods will shut down unless it gets extremely abused. It's dumb but the bigger priority for mods tends to be having a game full of people who are at least semi-active, which is why so many games have post count requirements that mods will actually remove people over.

That being said, I may start policy lynching people who legitimately claim for no reason, even if I think it's true or they're town. It abuses games like this and isn't fair to others who are putting effort into the game, and I'd rather lose games because people are breaking rules than win because of it.

 

 

In many setups there is no need for a mass role claim rule as most setups are done in such a way that you can't break it by mass claiming. I'm unsure if there was a game breaking combo that could have been achieved with the roles in the game by mass claiming, but if the rule is in place then people need to abide by it.



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To be fair I don't think that a modkill should be necessary. I do however expect players to respect the rules of the game. Evidently that expectation was unrealistic in this particular game.

 

Sorry brewers if I'm being overly critical, it was however severely frustrating to have town straight ignore the rules to the point of everyone being role claimed. 

 

Thanks for running the game Brewers, modding can often be stressful and thankless.



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Yeah Cod, I know you were in a pickle due to the mass role claims. Thank you for sticking with it though


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To be fair I don't think that a modkill should be necessary. I do however expect players to respect the rules of the game. Evidently that expectation was unrealistic in this particular game.

Sorry brewers if I'm being overly critical, it was however severely frustrating to have town straight ignore the rules to the point of everyone being role claimed.

Thanks for running the game Brewers, modding can often be stressful and thankless.


I agree with COD here, I claimed because I knew it would be better sooner than later, and Don decided to... vote me for the simple reason of me saying is RC if I got more votes. It’s not a great reason but whatever lol

Only click if you're Tony Maurice, thanks!

 

 

 

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I added Mafia Mod for you Velocity...Get with a know masked mod and get some training.

      

 


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Frustrating to see that the town couldn’t finish it off. For the record, I successfully identified every scum in the game before they were officially revealed. Called out Kevin and COD early on. Voted to lynch COD and would have voted for Kevin if he wasn’t night killed. And after I was notified that I was killed, I correctly guessed that LWW and Velocity were scum. If I wasn’t killed at night I would have gone after LWW next because my opinion of him changed in the last day that I was alive.

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Yeah the mass claiming kinda was pointless and hurt the game. You aren't supposed to role claim just for the sake of role claiming. Saying you're a vt when no one is voting you is quote pointless and takes away from the fun of the game. I wasn't gonna mod kill as it was pointless to do so but in the future to prevent that from happening I might have to come up with some consequences as it's becoming a theme


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Frustrating to see that the town couldn’t finish it off. For the record, I successfully identified every scum in the game before they were officially revealed. Called out Kevin and COD early on. Voted to lynch COD and would have voted for Kevin if he wasn’t night killed. And after I was notified that I was killed, I correctly guessed that LWW and Velocity were scum. If I wasn’t killed at night I would have gone after LWW next because my opinion of him changed in the last day that I was alive.

Good game nonetheless.

 

 

To be fair I would have said the exact same thing about your miller claim whether I was town or scum. There was nothing confirming you and everyone was writing you off as confirmed townie. I never came out and accused you of anything. just trying to remind the town that they can't write you off as confirmed. Its a tendency that we've had on here for a long time. People get it in their head they think they know someone's alignment with very unreliable information and then run statistics and theories with that as a solid fact. Some of us like KevinH and I have seen it happen repeatedly and try to call it out when we see people starting to do it. We did both happen to be scum this time though so good job lol.



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Like I said in game, I didn’t blame you at all for questioning it. I would have too if I was in your shoes. One of my biggest pet peeves in mafia is when people assume they know someone’s role without hard evidence suggesting it. Hell, even with evidence you can’t take anything as gospel in this game.
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i was actually a little surprised rafay's cop claim never came back to hurt the town.  scum never went after him for the kill and he made it to end game lol



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i was actually a little surprised rafay's cop claim never came back to hurt the town.  scum never went after him for the kill and he made it to end game lol

 

With a tailor and a godfather, it would lead to confusion and was better to keep the cop alive.  And once the tailor was revealed, nothing from the cop could be trusted.



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i was actually a little surprised rafay's cop claim never came back to hurt the town.  scum never went after him for the kill and he made it to end game lol

 

With a tailor and a godfather, it would lead to confusion and was better to keep the cop alive.  And once the tailor was revealed, nothing from the cop could be trusted.

 

 

I had figured ya'll would try and keep him alive to vouch for LWW. I also thought you might keep me alive and hope that I mis-vig


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i was actually a little surprised rafay's cop claim never came back to hurt the town.  scum never went after him for the kill and he made it to end game lol

 

With a tailor and a godfather, it would lead to confusion and was better to keep the cop alive.  And once the tailor was revealed, nothing from the cop could be trusted.

 

 

I had figured ya'll would try and keep him alive to vouch for LWW. I also thought you might keep me alive and hope that I mis-vig

 

 

 

We wanted to set you up for the day after your claim by role blocking and tailoring you. but unstoppable is a bitch.



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