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[TBRaiders]

 

i'm going to assume Rafay didn't make it that it was 50/50 townies/scum and maybe something like 70/30 and with that assumption i'd say we have about 10/11 townies and 6/5 scum

 

Further analysis based off this assumption,

 

We've lost 3 townies & 1 scum, which means possibly we have either 7/8 townies & 5/4 scum left - again going off the assumption that it's 70/30 townie/scum ratio.

 

Also if there are multiple teams - based off this ratio assumption, TBR pointed out prior that there could be 3 scum teams of 2, or maybe 2 scum teams of 3 (which makes 6 scum in total and aligns with the 70/30 ratio assumption), now that we potentially only have 5/4 scum left, i'm assuming there may have been 2 teams of 3

 

I agree with Imran that either 3, 4, 5 of those 5 people who voted to quick-lynch him are possibly scum - its just such a quick bandwagon, but possibly not all as I wouldn't think one of the scum teams strategy would be to place all their votes in the same basket as that's just too obvious, so maybe only one or two of them are actually scum and are just looking at a cheap shot to lynch another townie.

 

EDIT:

 

The more I think about this, the more ideas I get, notice the people who go for the quick lynch, these are almost definitely scum.

 

If you look at KevinH's post prior to him being killed and found as scum, he was one of the people looking to majority lynch before the day proper ended, why? so scum could get their night actions quicker. This is one of the reasons I definitely think mario is scum.

 

I bolded two parts for my reply.

 

I guarantee there are two teams and at least one of those teams started with three people.  It's no secret that Mario, iSo, and myself were on one of those teams and we were given instructions about what would happen if us or the other team dropped down to one remaining member.

 

On the quick lynch thing, I've seen where most scum prefer to stay below the radar.  The natural instinct is to not draw attention.  They know they are guilty so tend to act like it.  Part of my quick vote was to see the response from fellow players.  Sadly, it is about what is expected.  Newer and less experienced players who were scum may see the quick opportunity to jump onto an early wagon while vet scum players sit back and wait to see how it plays out.  I do find it telling that 1) Imran is focusing on someone else's posting (mario) instead of providing any analysis on who he thinks is scum; a scum mistake because they already know who the scum are and 2) Lyner, is semi-defending him by trying to support another wagon and also not providing any analysis. 

 

There are five scum left and we lost two vanilla town and one roleblocker.  Many of our remaining town should have decent roles that can help us figure this out.  While I don't want a single one of them to say what they did or role-claim and paint a target on their back, it sure would be nice to be able to read between the lines a bit and have any useful information.

[emudevelopment]

Whose to say the mafia wont read through the lines as-well?

[TBRaiders]

Is that a real question?

[Imran Ehsan]

I must say that is the scummiest voting/unvoting back pedaling and revoting I have seen in any game i have played.

 

 

I just dont think they would have made mario scum again.
Unvote
Imran had a good defense.

 

 

 

Bold your votes and unvotes emu.

I know that. Was on my phone... Meanie.

 

Back peddling..

Mhm.

Vote Imran

 

 

 

 

So, first the unvote was because I had a good defense. And then the vote comes on again..because..? So either:

 

a. You think my defense was not actually good and you think I am still scum. In that case your first post was a lie and you unvoted because I pointed out one of 3,4,5 is scum.

 

b. You think my defense was good and I am not scum so you unvoted. But then you put it on again because you got accused of back-pedalling. In which case you actually dont think my defense was good so your second post is a lie.

 

Which is it?

Unvote

 

You were quick to jump on my bandwagon. What changed your mind now?

 

Imran I re-voted for you because the bandwagon I was considering joining but waiting for more info. I said your defense was good which it was untill I had the revelation that the shift was scummy and re-evaluated TBR's point. I changed my mind and changed it back I was indescive about who was scum but I now am almost certain that it is you.

 

 

Which shift are you talking about specifically?

 

 

Didnt say the word shift

 

 

Bolded and underlined for you. Can you see it now. That was your basis for voting for me. Now again what shift are you talking about? I am not gonna let you claim something and dont run off and ignore it without explaining.

TBR's claims are without basis and his noobness in Mafia is showing through. Again explain the reasons why you are claiming I am in a scum team while you blatantly ignore the scummy moves of the others.

FOS: TBR

 

I was thinking he was townie trying to scum hunt. But the more I read his posts the more it looks like he is a man with a purpose of lynching a townie. I wont be surprised he is a mafia role cop of one of the scum teams. He has found out my role in the night and is now attempting a lynch.

[iSocialism]

 

I must say that is the scummiest voting/unvoting back pedaling and revoting I have seen in any game i have played.

 

 

I just dont think they would have made mario scum again.
Unvote
Imran had a good defense.

 

 

 

Bold your votes and unvotes emu.

I know that. Was on my phone... Meanie.

 

Back peddling..

Mhm.

Vote Imran

 

 

 

 

So, first the unvote was because I had a good defense. And then the vote comes on again..because..? So either:

 

a. You think my defense was not actually good and you think I am still scum. In that case your first post was a lie and you unvoted because I pointed out one of 3,4,5 is scum.

 

b. You think my defense was good and I am not scum so you unvoted. But then you put it on again because you got accused of back-pedalling. In which case you actually dont think my defense was good so your second post is a lie.

 

Which is it?

Unvote

 

You were quick to jump on my bandwagon. What changed your mind now?

 

Imran I re-voted for you because the bandwagon I was considering joining but waiting for more info. I said your defense was good which it was untill I had the revelation that the shift was scummy and re-evaluated TBR's point. I changed my mind and changed it back I was indescive about who was scum but I now am almost certain that it is you.

 

 

Which shift are you talking about specifically?

 

 

Didnt say the word shift

 

 

Bolded and underlined for you. Can you see it now. That was your basis for voting for me. Now again what shift are you talking about? I am not gonna let you claim something and dont run off and ignore it without explaining.

TBR's claims are without basis and his noobness in Mafia is showing through. Again explain the reasons why you are claiming I am in a scum team while you blatantly ignore the scummy moves of the others.

FOS: TBR

 

I was thinking he was townie trying to scum hunt. But the more I read his posts the more it looks like he is a man with a purpose of lynching a townie. I wont be surprised he is a mafia role cop of one of the scum teams. He has found out my role in the night and is now attempting a lynch.

 

OH. let's expand on this one.

"you claim something and dont run off and ignore it without explaining." "He has found out my role in the night and is now attempting a lynch." DON"T LYNCH IMRAN guys, he has a role. "in finger quotes"

Also have you found that scummy post I made?

You have a lot of accusations but not too much evidence behind it. I feel like you hope to get a bandwagon going on someone. Thus done by attacking the player and not too much of his posts.

I will give you that emu switch and switch and switch and so on, though I don't think it to be scummy just more indecisive. 

I also want to point out that Sammy voted for KevinH and thought of him as scum since the beginning, however since there might be two teams of scum, townie points for him might just be interchangeable for scummy points. Now this isn't a FOS, but rather a statement that should be noted. Lyncing scum or scum hunting might just be your job, scum or townie.

[Lyner]

 

This day is going too fast

 

I guess nobody got any interesting information from last night.

 

If there are 2 scum teams and NK that means we have at least 5 bad people, probably 4 if we exclude Kevin

 

Considering how fast Imran's wagon builds up I believe there are at least 1 or 2 baddies in the wagon:

 

TBRaiders, iSocialism, Spaztik Muffin, emudevelopment and mariomario190

 

 

For starters,

 

Vote: iSocialism

While
I do think scum team 2 could have some people voting for Imran, I have
no doubt that scum team 1 (Imran's team) has been completely silent,
until probably your post.  What I do like about this format is scum
players have to pretend they are town, but maybe not too townie or they
get killed by the other scum team.  Good chance Kevin was actually
killed by the other scum team to support that hypothesis.  Was Kevin on
your and Imran's team?

 

 

Now that's a big accusation there.

 

Imran may or may not been a scum, but if he is scum, his wagon is too quickly building up for a scum(it takes 7 to lynch, he is at 5). Ergo he gets townie points more than the others.

 

Also I disagree, if the scum teams are fighting each other they will try to lynch the townies first until it reaches the point where the probability of town winning is minimal.

 

Unless that is your scum team's strategy this round?

 

Vote: TBR

[Imran Ehsan]

OK. Regarding iSoc, I went back and reread Day 1 posts. There were a couple of things that set off bad vibes for me.First you claimed you were a neighbor of emu, I am not sure if that was regarding the game or something else altogether. That was a strange post.

 

And a few days later comes this:

 

 

Here we go again, we all are so anxiety to lynch someone that we most likely will lynch a townie, without little reason behind it.

 

 

 

That's a pretty good answer Big E but its also the same answer I would expect anyone to make regardless of aligent.

What else is a man suppose to say? I rather have someone else lynch then Big Ego..

Vote; EM

 

 

First you state, people are eager to lynch who will most likely be a townie. It was as is you were covering bases, in the event a townie gets lynched you could say, "I said so". Even in a game where role alignmet s possible and day 1 lynch was almost mandatory. If you stuck to your position though, that would have been less suspicious, but just 3-4 posts later you joined the bandwagon on EM who later turned out to be townie.

 

Also most of your posts were 1-line posts without analysis or any info, just for the sake of posting something to look active. But it was Day 1 and you cant have much analysis on random votes so that is not too much of a problem. But add them all together I found you more suspicious than the others on Day 1.

 

Having said all that, i no longer think you are scum though. I will look closely at TBR, emu, mario and spaztik for 1 or 2 scums in that group.

 

I think Samoos is town as well as Big Ego 9he voted for kevinh). Look back at this post when i get lynched by the noob lynch mob this day,

[emudevelopment]

 

I must say that is the scummiest voting/unvoting back pedaling and revoting I have seen in any game i have played.

 

 

I just dont think they would have made mario scum again.
Unvote
Imran had a good defense.

 

 

 

Bold your votes and unvotes emu.

I know that. Was on my phone... Meanie.

 

Back peddling..

Mhm.

Vote Imran

 

 

 

 

So, first the unvote was because I had a good defense. And then the vote comes on again..because..? So either:

 

a. You think my defense was not actually good and you think I am still scum. In that case your first post was a lie and you unvoted because I pointed out one of 3,4,5 is scum.

 

b. You think my defense was good and I am not scum so you unvoted. But then you put it on again because you got accused of back-pedalling. In which case you actually dont think my defense was good so your second post is a lie.

 

Which is it?

Unvote

 

You were quick to jump on my bandwagon. What changed your mind now?

 

Imran I re-voted for you because the bandwagon I was considering joining but waiting for more info. I said your defense was good which it was untill I had the revelation that the shift was scummy and re-evaluated TBR's point. I changed my mind and changed it back I was indescive about who was scum but I now am almost certain that it is you.

 

 

Which shift are you talking about specifically?

 

 

Didnt say the word shift

 

 

Bolded and underlined for you. Can you see it now. That was your basis for voting for me. Now again what shift are you talking about? I am not gonna let you claim something and dont run off and ignore it without explaining.

TBR's claims are without basis and his noobness in Mafia is showing through. Again explain the reasons why you are claiming I am in a scum team while you blatantly ignore the scummy moves of the others.

FOS: TBR

 

I was thinking he was townie trying to scum hunt. But the more I read his posts the more it looks like he is a man with a purpose of lynching a townie. I wont be surprised he is a mafia role cop of one of the scum teams. He has found out my role in the night and is now attempting a lynch.

 

Oh, you were reffering to the one before ok. Well I was refering the shift onto mariomario as scummy. You are trying to drum up more attention onto others like mario who is Town and you know he is town in order to save your own scummy skin. You have not really defended your self even when you proclaim innocence by saying he found your role you dont even RC a power role. Also it shows off your desperation that now you have painted a target on your back to live one more day so if you are a power role you just SCREWED THE TOWN OVER. I urge everyone to vote Imran his scumminess shows.

[Samus]

Yeah that's kinda true, if Imran is RC'ing, scum are gonna be all over him at night, just like Hippo :/

[TBRaiders]

 

 

This day is going too fast

 

I guess nobody got any interesting information from last night.

 

If there are 2 scum teams and NK that means we have at least 5 bad people, probably 4 if we exclude Kevin

 

Considering how fast Imran's wagon builds up I believe there are at least 1 or 2 baddies in the wagon:

 

TBRaiders, iSocialism, Spaztik Muffin, emudevelopment and mariomario190

 

 

For starters,

 

Vote: iSocialism

While
I do think scum team 2 could have some people voting for Imran, I have
no doubt that scum team 1 (Imran's team) has been completely silent,
until probably your post.  What I do like about this format is scum
players have to pretend they are town, but maybe not too townie or they
get killed by the other scum team.  Good chance Kevin was actually
killed by the other scum team to support that hypothesis.  Was Kevin on
your and Imran's team?

 

 

Now that's a big accusation there.

 

Imran may or may not been a scum, but if he is scum, his wagon is too quickly building up for a scum(it takes 7 to lynch, he is at 5). Ergo he gets townie points more than the others.

 

Also I disagree, if the scum teams are fighting each other they will try to lynch the townies first until it reaches the point where the probability of town winning is minimal.

 

Unless that is your scum team's strategy this round?

 

Vote: TBR

 

If we have a vig, this is who should be killed N2.  Pretty sure he is just a goon and doesn't have a power role, but the scum is strong with this one.

[Big Ego]

I am rather suspicious of Imran & Lyner.. and they do seem to be working in tandem. Yet, Imran says he believes I'm town. Lyner (and iSoc for that matter) both backed me up some when I was the lead wagon day 1. TBR has made some of the most informative and helpful posts. We now know almost without a doubt there are 2 scum teams. (assuming Rafay kept the same format, and he probably did)

I think neither Ovid or Spaz have posted Day 2. Spaz has only made like.. 2 or 3 posts, so almost nothing to go on there. Mod if you can please prod those who've yet to post.

Emu seems to be townie. Raugln I just don't know about, not a whole lot to work with post-count wise either.

Kazio is inactive.

Samson I am a little suspicious of, a fair bit of aggression and randomness.. but overall I still get a town vibe. I think that just may be Shaman's style.

That leaves... Mario. If Mario is scum, he is playing way better than last time. He's claiming he's town, he's playing to win. I almost want to reward him for that and give him the benefit of the doubt.. but, when the hard choice has to be made..

He's been supporting almost every wagon, he keeps trying to get me lynched for no apparent reason. Even if what did happened last game didn't happen, he's definitely be near the top if not at the top of my list.

So all in all, if I absolutely must choose, I am going with Vote Mario for now.

e: Made my bolded words blue, so they can be seen better in this wall of text.

[Spaztik Muffin]

Im just lurking

[Samus]

I may have to start auto correcting any word that starts with S, if i'm going to get a new name in every post.

[Imran Ehsan]

 

 

I must say that is the scummiest voting/unvoting back pedaling and revoting I have seen in any game i have played.

 

 

I just dont think they would have made mario scum again.
Unvote
Imran had a good defense.

 

 

 

Bold your votes and unvotes emu.

I know that. Was on my phone... Meanie.

 

Back peddling..

Mhm.

Vote Imran

 

 

 

 

So, first the unvote was because I had a good defense. And then the vote comes on again..because..? So either:

 

a. You think my defense was not actually good and you think I am still scum. In that case your first post was a lie and you unvoted because I pointed out one of 3,4,5 is scum.

 

b. You think my defense was good and I am not scum so you unvoted. But then you put it on again because you got accused of back-pedalling. In which case you actually dont think my defense was good so your second post is a lie.

 

Which is it?

Unvote

 

You were quick to jump on my bandwagon. What changed your mind now?

 

Imran I re-voted for you because the bandwagon I was considering joining but waiting for more info. I said your defense was good which it was untill I had the revelation that the shift was scummy and re-evaluated TBR's point. I changed my mind and changed it back I was indescive about who was scum but I now am almost certain that it is you.

 

 

Which shift are you talking about specifically?

 

 

Didnt say the word shift

 

 

Bolded and underlined for you. Can you see it now. That was your basis for voting for me. Now again what shift are you talking about? I am not gonna let you claim something and dont run off and ignore it without explaining.

TBR's claims are without basis and his noobness in Mafia is showing through. Again explain the reasons why you are claiming I am in a scum team while you blatantly ignore the scummy moves of the others.

FOS: TBR

 

I was thinking he was townie trying to scum hunt. But the more I read his posts the more it looks like he is a man with a purpose of lynching a townie. I wont be surprised he is a mafia role cop of one of the scum teams. He has found out my role in the night and is now attempting a lynch.

 

Oh, you were reffering to the one before ok. Well I was refering the shift onto mariomario as scummy. You are trying to drum up more attention onto others like mario who is Town and you know he is town in order to save your own scummy skin. You have not really defended your self even when you proclaim innocence by saying he found your role you dont even RC a power role. Also it shows off your desperation that now you have painted a target on your back to live one more day so if you are a power role you just SCREWED THE TOWN OVER. I urge everyone to vote Imran his scumminess shows.

 

 

So are you saying scum or not scum? In one sentence you say i am scum, the next sentence you say i am a townie power role who SCREWED THE TOWN OVER (I read that as a raging scream with lots of frothing).

[mariomario190-]

 

 

 

I must say that is the scummiest voting/unvoting back pedaling and revoting I have seen in any game i have played.

 

 

I just dont think they would have made mario scum again.
Unvote
Imran had a good defense.

 

 

 

Bold your votes and unvotes emu.

I know that. Was on my phone... Meanie.

 

Back peddling..

Mhm.

Vote Imran

 

 

 

 

So, first the unvote was because I had a good defense. And then the vote comes on again..because..? So either:

 

a. You think my defense was not actually good and you think I am still scum. In that case your first post was a lie and you unvoted because I pointed out one of 3,4,5 is scum.

 

b. You think my defense was good and I am not scum so you unvoted. But then you put it on again because you got accused of back-pedalling. In which case you actually dont think my defense was good so your second post is a lie.

 

Which is it?

Unvote

 

You were quick to jump on my bandwagon. What changed your mind now?

 

Imran I re-voted for you because the bandwagon I was considering joining but waiting for more info. I said your defense was good which it was untill I had the revelation that the shift was scummy and re-evaluated TBR's point. I changed my mind and changed it back I was indescive about who was scum but I now am almost certain that it is you.

 

 

Which shift are you talking about specifically?

 

 

Didnt say the word shift

 

 

Bolded and underlined for you. Can you see it now. That was your basis for voting for me. Now again what shift are you talking about? I am not gonna let you claim something and dont run off and ignore it without explaining.

TBR's claims are without basis and his noobness in Mafia is showing through. Again explain the reasons why you are claiming I am in a scum team while you blatantly ignore the scummy moves of the others.

FOS: TBR

 

I was thinking he was townie trying to scum hunt. But the more I read his posts the more it looks like he is a man with a purpose of lynching a townie. I wont be surprised he is a mafia role cop of one of the scum teams. He has found out my role in the night and is now attempting a lynch.

 

Oh, you were reffering to the one before ok. Well I was refering the shift onto mariomario as scummy. You are trying to drum up more attention onto others like mario who is Town and you know he is town in order to save your own scummy skin. You have not really defended your self even when you proclaim innocence by saying he found your role you dont even RC a power role. Also it shows off your desperation that now you have painted a target on your back to live one more day so if you are a power role you just SCREWED THE TOWN OVER. I urge everyone to vote Imran his scumminess shows.

 

 

So are you saying scum or not scum? In one sentence you say i am scum, the next sentence you say i am a townie power role who SCREWED THE TOWN OVER (I read that as a raging scream with lots of frothing).

 

He said IF. I bolded it for you. Also colored it for you. He said IF you were a townie, you just screwed the town over.

[emudevelopment]

I said you were scum. IF you really were a townie power role you just messed up your own AA at night so clearly its a scum move to save himself.

[Samus]

can we get a vote count mod?

[Rafay]

Vote Count 2.02

 

 

 

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1. Spaztik Muffin (0) -
2. Master Samus (0) - 
3. Lyner (0) -  
4. Kaziocore (0) - 
5. TBRaiders (1) - Lyner
6. iSocialism (0) - 
7. Imran Ehsan (5) - TBRaiders, iSocialism, Spaztik Muffin, emudevelopment and mariomario190
8. Big Ego (0) -  
9. Raugln Bludhaven (0) -  
10. Ovidsidios (0) -
11. mariomario190 (4) - Master Master Samus, Raugln Bludhaven, Imran Ehsan and Big Ego
12. emudevelopment (0) -
13. No Lynch (0) - 

Not Voting: Ovidsidios, Spaztik Muffin and Kaziocore  

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Imran Ehsan is the wagon leader w/ 5 votes.

2 more needed to lynch.

7 more days till deadline.

 

 

Mod comments: I like the way everybody is playing it safe and not jumping the gun. However taking one's time has slowed the game down. I'm thinking of bringing Preston to replace Kaz. Everyone OK w/ that? 

[Rafay]

I've added Preston as Kaz's replacement.

[mariomario190-]

Big Ego, my voting on you has been a joke. I have never really kept my vote on you too long. This seems like and OMGUS vote against me. Go for Preston Joining!