OldSelf

Going to go briefly by the comments, if I get a good bite I might view the piece. Anything that concludes with anti-government and pro-market I would give a lot of scrutiny - The two conclusions give me significant distrust and as my mind isn't the strongest I will decline engaging probable sophistry. I find it concerning there's arguing to undermine the social justice reasons for government (by presenting it as a slavery issue), and then saying money will fix a human problem (total falsehood). It sounds like there is an interesting definition of slavery, which I wouldn't mind hearing.

Then why is it not a rational act? and what mistakes are made in coming to the false conclusion?

The post made an argument that could hardly be addressed, let me paraphrase it into a form that makes it clearer: "The vast majority of suicide occurs because the method is convenient". When you elucidated it as being in conjunction with an urge as the cause in your recent post this makes more sense. If my position of a weltanshauung as the cause wasn't flippantly not addressed there would have been a kinder reply I'm not adverse to saying that an urge can motivate an action, but they do not arise from nothing- There is a level of premeditation for cognitive acceptance, whether or not it goes as far as meticulous planning. I considered to reply to the rest, but prefer to focus the crux.

I don't know where you get your information, but it's not your brain. Suicide rates have been somewhat constant over the last 50 years, with the note that male numbers have been increasing and females decreasing. I don't think there is a significant long term effect from regulating suicide methods- if there is, it would be the smallest minority affected. Method of suicide is incidental, and if that isn't realised we can't have a discussion.

Then let us discuss the nature of the beast. "Mentally Ill" is not an answer, it's simply not illuminating (it gets us no further than the will to live is an essential ingredient to sanity). Through the thread you've essentially posited the following assertions: 1. Suicide is irrational 2. An irrational act is a sign of Mental illness I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth, that's what I found under your statements. But I think 2. isn't useful at any rate, so lets discuss 1. Unfortunately we don't have a complete ontology to answer it for us. Why would someone wish to commit suicide? I believe from various Weltanschauungen suicide can be a rational decision. Consider the following arguments for suicide; if you care you can refute them or offer arguments against suicide: 1. I am not going to achieve anything of worth, there is no purpose to living. 2. I am in pain, I will avoid this pain. 3. I am going to become a morally lesser being, I will kill myself to avert this. 4. I hate the universe, I will depart it. 5. I have lost (or never found) what is valuable to me. 6. I have already achieved everything I desire. 7. It is the right time to die. 8. I am restricted from what I want to do. Don't feel you are restricted by what I have said in your reply.

I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of the topic which didn't discuss Fry's video at all - but led straight to a platform equivocating mental illness and suicide - is. I posted because I was in the mood for a deep discussion, to find the OP had doomed the topic with semantics and prejudice.

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