Lyner

gg Yeah the game favors the town a bit, mostly because the scum side didn't expect the 3 town JoATs I guess

brb

Also good job Preston, much scummy :|

Yeah I'd have revealed it way earlier if the claim train hasn't blown up this much, especially your claim And there is no way of knowing what kind of dangerous abilities that D3mon has, so it's in town's best interest to kill him first regardless of Rafay's alignment

Gut is the way to go Investigating an active player is dangerous as they have higher chance of being killed by the scum, and he feels scummy, that's all

Well well well I have been thinking for awhile now to reveal this or not, waiting for some reaction for scums to defend D3mon, the Rafay's wagon is pretty nice, I was hoping we could get more from Rafay so I can decide whether he's town or not but oh well I used investigative ability on D3mon last night and he turns out as a "Goblin", there is a possibility that he is a Miller but is unlikely, either way my innocence is proved. We have around 36 hours left so I hope we can kill him Also Robert has gone up through my innocent list, the current top suspect list are Preston, Imran and Kazio Don't forget to keep this in mind.

What role do you have? I second this

Well that escalated quickly, anyway he's gone until Thursday And I'm still not uncomfortable with Preston's act and how he's able to get away with it easily. He made a careless mistake in the role cop job, and he went role-claiming when he didn't need to do so, as saying that he knew Imran is a role cop would suffice, I don't think town will just judge him as a role cop as there is a possibility that he is a JoAT. Yes there is the matter of suspicion cast on him if he didn't role claim but he could just revealed his role later after seeing the town's reaction, or rather after seeing town's approval. Too rushed. Now we're stuck with 4 power roles without any definite informations about who's scum. Not to mention with the role claim we're one step less in having the breaking strategy that Kevin wants to avoid. Overall I feel that he did those on purpose, I might be biased though so I'll let the town decides.

When in doubt, ask the God @Kevin: -Will a "Role Cop" reveal the alignment of the target? As in if he targets a Goblin Tracker will it returns "Tracker" or "Goblin Tracker" -Can there be multiples of a role in the same side?

I don't like this If I were a JoAT I would use the Sane Cop role first. Seeing that there are goblin-aligned roles of every roles, Role cop isn't really useful unless you're scum Of course there may be no Sane Cop role in the list but eh, what do you say Preston?

I try to avoid posting fluff which unfortunately means that I would never have the highest post count in any game. I am guessing that things got lost in all the discussion but I provided a list of possible scum and still believe that Lyner is our best bet. Is it possible that I am wrong?.. ofcourse.. but I just don't believe that such an obvious scum move should be ignored. @Robert, why do you believe that Lyner is a Townie? Well, first off, he's made no friends during the day phase. A Townie can't trust anybody until they are proven guilty. If you get false sense of trust, you probably going to get shot or get stabbed in the back. Some people reasoning for thinking people town this game are, how I say, Crap. The entire lynch wagon on lyner was based upon Lyners first vote of the game. the first vote in the game is almost always spam. So seeing a no lynch bandwagon in "Honor" of Kevin (witch I doubt he'd forgive us for no lynching without him) was mainly spam. Could of it gotten out of hand? Maybe. But unlikely. All eyes would of been on the people placing the final no lynch. Lyner is also actively scum hunting and I intend to agree with his points for now. That could change, but I've seen more townie out of him than most the time. (He tends to be neck and neck with EM most the time.) Another point I want to address D3mon, I get the feeling there more of a reason you're simply asking a simple why I think lyner is town. Therefore its only made me more suspicious of you. I have no proof on this but its mainly gut. We all have our gut feelings and I can't do anything to change that. I get the feeling that you have something other than the posts that we have read so far that proves that Lyner is town. Unfortunately, I have no way to prove that and without you being totally honest I can't take your word for it. If its really your gut vs mine then one of us is really hurting the town. Okay we got your point Nothing to comment about the role claimings?

Start by shifting the attention the inactives a.k.a EM and Kaz, wouldn't want Kazio to stay under the radar and gives off a townie feel from the occasional "good" analysis but turns out to be a scum And my vote stays, the claims today hasn't given us a solid clue to who's scum, but rather painting some of us as more townie I stand by my conviction that ABD is most likely town watcher and scum is trying to kill me yesterday, from those who voted me, D3mon gives the most scummy feel.

Yeah a mistake, I mean you, Preston Vanilla Townie, Sane Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Fletcher (Gunsmith), Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Goblin Encryptor, Goblin Strongman, Goblin Goon, Goblin Traitor, Goblin Godfather, Goblin-aligned versions of above roles. Green ones don't target or don't have a lethal effect, the rests are: Sane Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Fletcher (Gunsmith), Bodyguard, Role Cop, Hider, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Goblin Encryptor, Goblin-aligned versions of above roles. There are already vigilante, tracker and watcher, I don't see a role worth revealing unless you're a cop and got a scum last night, so that.

I don't think Montosh need to roleclaim as of now It's best to avoid mass claiming, the town has already seen 3 bulletproofs, this should be proof that scum's side also has powerful abilities, buffing them up would be troublesome Also regarding Rafay's role, since it's legit then the only role that fits his power is a tracker, or a jack of all trade, no?

You already had your eyes on me, I don't see what else has changed really. Other than the actions from last night have made it worse for the two that already suspected me. The night actions of last night weren't actually that good of an idea due to the fact that you two already had suspicions and most likely would of voted me on the second day anyway, that and it appears no one died Also some people think to believe that I was reading this thread at like 4am when it opened back up, I never actually saw the posts until right now because I went to bed, so I don't know what's the go with that. I literally just woke up and am posting right now. To start my thoughts, well, what an obvious setup lol. Though I suspected that this could of happened because why would they want me dead yet when the town can do the job for them. It also appears that there must be a few bullet proof people on the team but I assume that most are one shot like Montosh. I want to say that Preston was actually targeted last night because I watched him, Rafay was the one to target him. No idea what he did to him but it just strikes me as a bit suspicious when Rafay said that 'no one targeted Preston' when infact Rafay was the one who actually did. But seeing as there are two that have been shot already it seems like a third hit is unlikely but who knows. So no Robert, I'm not a vig. Would you like me to role-claim? Cuz I'm not comfortable with that...... But since we are talking about night actions. I'd like to reveal that Preston targeted Imran. Take that for what you will. That according to me doesn't look scummy for Preston cuz from D1 he had his suspicions about Imran so he wanted to confirm them. More on this from Preston I guess..... We're only looking for confirmation of ABD's role, but now you gave us an interesting information I guess we should wait for Preston to confirm this before we start concluding stuffs

So you claim you voted me instead of the other 3 you suspect not because of gut feeling? How am I more "scummy"?

There is no reason whatsoever for scum to target an inactive town, plus I have been active more than you, while the the vote and my inactivity yesterday is already explained. You're repeating yesterday's argument

The repeated sentences in above post is just an editing mistake

Much chaos Nice results from last night, I guess we can trust TBR for now(IMO the vig targeted EM), and both Rafay and ABD seems to be going up in the town list. There is no reason whatsoever for scum watcher to watch Preston, so I guess I can believe ABD. From my point of view this means all three targets yesterday are all town. Montosh, Bilbo Baggins, (5): Robert2424, Nick The Great, Rafay, ABigDeer, LynerLyner, Gandalf the Grey, (4): Preston, D3mon, Kaziocore, Imran EhsanABigDeer, Bard the Bowman, (2): Electric Mango, TBRaidersMontosh as a potential lynch is confirmed since around here. At that point scum would try to kill an active townie if they can, as Montosh would be killed anyway if the maneuver fails. Thus the most suspicious ones are the people who voted for me: Preston, D3mon, Kaziocore, Imran Ehsan. Bonus points to Imran for creating the opportunity to lynch me(if Montosh suddenly comes I'd be the dead guy today). Preston not being lynched means he is scum or the scum deem him not threatening, well he did put me and ABD at the top suspect list so I tend to believe the latter happened. D3mon and Kaziocore hasn't been posting too much for me to get a certain feeling, at least Kaz posted a decent analysis. Imran is suspicious for creating the opportunity to lynch me(if Montosh suddenly comes I'd be the dead guy today). So for now D3mon and Imran is on my top suspect list with Kazio being the third. And yes there must be at least one scum in this list. I want D3mon to post more, so Vote: D3mon

Good point, if he showed up and voted me I would be so dead There are only 4 hours left but to make sure: Vote: Montosh

Which means the scums are safe right now and one of us might be scum, I know it's not me so you look suspicious to me We have a lot of time back then and you choose to do this now(around 40 hours left till the day ends)? Incase more people wagons into me I'd only have little time to prove my innocence. +1 scummy point for Imran. Anyway it is now 4 votes for both me and Montosh I guess this is your time to role claim. Now now, why so hasty? Let's wait for some more people to weigh in And IIRC according to Kevin's rule you need one more vote to shift the day lynch to me Which means the scums are safe right now and one of us might be scum, I know it's not me so you look suspicious to me Ever though perhaps that we are both townie and being played right now? Right, probably wouldn't cross your mind. There's also that possibility Montosh is most likely town if it weren't for Kaz and Imran's sudden move, now I'm not so sure

Which means the scums are safe right now and one of us might be scum, I know it's not me so you look suspicious to me We have a lot of time back then and you choose to do this now(around 40 hours left till the day ends)? Incase more people wagons into me I'd only have little time to prove my innocence. +1 scummy point for Imran. Anyway it is now 4 votes for both me and Montosh

The scum is strong in this one Also good point about Montosh being a town, scums can just vote ABD or me to save Montosh if he is scum. They haven't done so which means. . .