i assume that the same goes for the cop right? well then, i have no idea what you were expecting to find. i mean, if it was a scum claiming cop or doc, but didn't want the real cop/doc to claim, you took a really big chance. how big? i'd do some math to show you how big but maybe another time, when i'm in the mood for numbers. btw, were you expecting theo to lie about his role ? cause he did reveal who he targeted with his night action. and it wasn't the dead person. and you can't really say we didn't tell you (multiple times i might add) that almost everybody has some sort of ability. and knowing that 2 scum targeted the dead person, you would have been left with only (probably) 2 chances of finding scum, the 7 remaining players being townies who did something (i hope i got the number of remaining players right, morning maths isn't my thing) you're not the only one. but since you're under the lens right now, everything you did comes back to haunt you. you weren't just wrong. being wrong is calling someone scum, lynching him and seeing that you're wrong. you were a manipulator. you bluffed about your role, got everybody to talk only about your bluff, you were never really planning to commit yourself to anything but the bluff you just decided to go with. does anyone need to do something scummy when the town is in so much confusion? you bluffed. a gambit is something designed to give you an advantage. in your case however, even if theo isn't the doctor, since you'd have expected the real doctor (and quite possibly the cop) not to claim, i fail to see what advantage you were hoping to gain. a bluff however is when you go all in with a pair of 2s and on the ground there's a possible high straight flush missing only a card. which is pretty much what you did. perhaps you're not familiar with the cause/effect concept. you claim something, the immediate effect is to gain attention from everybody, provided the claim is strong enough. i hope they do... what Helix said. theo had 2 options. either call your bluff or cave in. now if he called it, with so many people having roles around here (you most likely being one of them), he'd have taken a really big chance. now if he said he had a different role than he has, either you, another player or the actual user of that role could counterclaim. also there is that "wait, you don't have a night action/ability? that's odd" conversation we could go into if someone claims that. i am. let's see, i randomly accuse someone of having a night action. he said he targeted someone else, not the dead guy. now at this point, after the chances are scum dropped by half (it takes 2 people to target someone twice, and i'm assuming there's 2 more mafia) , i have the option to drop it since there's still a possible cop, a possible doc, a possible roleblocker, a possible watcher and a possible tracker.hmm... out of the 8 remaining possible people seems like a 1/4 chance of catching mafia and a 5/8 chance of him being townie. and that's assuming both remaining mafias have abilities/used their abilities. cause if they haven't, it doesn't really put them in danger if they call you a liar. i believe everything i did yesterday i did to prove my towniness. i thought someone was lying and i decided to gamble my life on it. so i announced that i am willing to throw the hammer vote and take upon me the consequences of that gamble. now gambling is something serious that you should do when the reward is fitting. case 1. if i was the sk, if i lost the gamble i'd have lost the game. period. if i won, the rewards would have been a dead townie, maybe a dead mafia, but if it was a dead townie it would have been probably a townie with a weak role. i don't think it would have been worth it. case 2. if i was part of the mafia, if i'd have lost i'd prolly still have 2 colleagues to win the game for me, unless i had a extra objective to accomplish. ('till now it's maaaybe worth it?) anyway, the rewards would be again a dead low rank townie or maaaaaaaaaaaybe just maybe the sk. (that sk sounds mighty juicy, but at a 1:10 chances not really worth it imo). anyway, in either of these cases, i could have just sat quite comfortably with the vote that placed him on L3 and waited for someone else to throw the hammer. so i ask you, how loud do my actions speak? nope not true. i at least will always have a nagging voice in my head always asking whether he's telling the truth or lying. however, based that he claimed first, he will have some advantage if a counterclaim pops up during the next days. and if it's lylo... to be fair, you boasted with the number of games you played and assumed a position of authority based on that a long time ago. it was about the time you called me a noob actually. for something that turned out to be true i might add. as for the town play being unimpressive, we lynched a liar yesterday, turned out he was townie. then we wasted our time on your bluff. if town play was unimpressive, it's because we gave you too much attention. also i had to redo this post a couple of times, so i apologize in advance if something in it went awry.