Euclid of Alexandria
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Sorry guys. I'm gonna sit this one out. I might sign up again for the next though.
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Congrats! You got it right. The scum made a couple of mistakes so the town deserves the win. I knew this last Day wasn't going to be easy given the Day 3 wagon on Alt. Unfortunately my other options looked even worse.
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EBWODP: Reversly, since it was obvious that you are town (as I explained in a previous post) then why was it not obvious to Alt and did he instead say that it was a "tough call". Keeping his options open I guess.
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Oh, hold on, this just came to mind... it's kind of WIFOM but maybe it will help you. At the start of this day Alt said (bolded by me for emphasis): Now since neither Alt nor you had given any indication as to whom they suspected more amongst myself and the other, then if I was scum, why would I go and burn the 50% chance that Alt would vote for you EM? As a scum I might just as well have chosen to wait and see if one of you would vote for the other and then hammer. I didn't wait and see though and as a result Alt has now put me at L-1 in the hope that you will hammer me.
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Sure it sounds scummy. Anything I say at this point sounds scummy. No matter what I say, it will just look like I'm trying too hard to come off as town. Nonetheless, if you feel the need to troll me to make up your mind then I'll play ball.
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That at best explains why you did not vote on Day 4. It does not explain why you didn't express any suspicion on Day 4, nor does it explain why you voted for killgor on Day 3. The only reason that your vote for killgor didn't matter though is that everyone else (aka the townies) preferred to lynch Lyner.
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Since you didn't hammer that excludes the possibility that you are scum entirely. I am now 100% certain that Alt is scum. I can understand how from your perspective you need to have a further look at it though.
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I had really hoped that d3mon was scum. Now I guess it's win or lose decision time. I'll start with the conclusion and explain after. Vote: Alt The reason to vote Alt is both that I can't see how EM could be scum and some fishy stuff Alt has done himself. If I am wrong I guess this loses us the game. In that case congrats EM and gg. I very much doubt that I am wrong though. Why EM ain't scum On Day 3, when EM had the choice between hammering iSoc or Alt, he hammered iSoc. If EM is scum then Alt is town and he might just as well have hammered a townie that day. Instead he hammered a scum.On Day 4 it was between killgor and Lyner and it took 4 to lynch. When EM cast his vote d3mon had just unvoted Lyner and looked like he might be changing his vote to killgor who was already at L-2. Had scum EM voted for killgor then there would have been a good chance that killgor would have gotten lynched, which would have won him the game. Instead he voted for Lyner.On Day 4 killgor mentioned that he believes EM is town. If killgor is wrong about that than scum EM might have very well chosen to keep him alive in Night 5 because killgor would have voted for the other townie and scum EM would have just had to hammer to win the game. Instead killgor did get NK'ed last night.So, those are three significant instances of EM behaving in a way I would not expect if he is scum. Therefore I am confident that he is town, which by process of elimination means that Alt must be the last scum. Why Alt is scum The above is in and of itself enough reason for me to vote Alt. There is more though. Let's have a look at Alt and how scummy he has been. On Day 4 Alt voted for killgor rather than Lyner, even though IMO it was quite obvious that Lyner's claim was false. Other than Lyner no one else voted for killgor that day. Nonetheless, had killgor been lynched, as Alt was trying to achieve, then the scum would have won the game.On Day 5 Alt did not vote, nor say who he intended to vote for. It was already obvious from the Day 4 convo that d3mon would get lynched. Looks to me as though Alt already knew that d3mon was town and tried to keep his hand clean.The only thing that strikes me as odd if Alt is scum is what happened on Day 3 when iSoc and Lyner lead a wagon on Alt, while Alt ended up voting for his buddy iSoc. I guess it was an attempt to confuse the town that they had decided on the night before. EM: I am town, lynch the scum Since I am voting Alt now, assuming EM is indeed town, the only thing that can now go wrong is EM thinking that I am scum. So, I'll just add a few lines towards convincing him of my innocent by looking at myself from a objective perspective. Basically the first two reasons I used to explain why EM is town go for me as well, although rather than hammering iSoc I was his wagon leader and convinced KevinH to stop hopping his vote around as soon as he had joined me. I think i's safe to say that iSoc would not have been lynched if it weren't for me. Also, I did not actually vote for Lyner on Day 4, but that was only because d3mon sneaked in before me after I had already stated my intent to hammer. Still, as it looked like d3mon was switching to killgor, if I were scum I could have voted killgor. Obviously if I were scum killgor would have been my NK, but the same is true for Alt. Anyway, since EM seems to be a man of action rather than words, I'll leave it at this and hope for the best.
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With Lyner flipping scum I can't see how killgor could possibly not be the cop. So he is confirmed town as far as I am concerned. I also know my own alignment so the last scum must be amongst d3mon, EM and Alt. From those three d3mon seems most suspicious for a number of reasons. - d3mon tried to keep iSoc alive on Day 3. - d3mon unvoted Lyner on Day 4 only to then hammer him after I had already announced that I would do so anyway - EM voted for both iSoc and Lyner - Both iSoc and Lyner voted for Alt and Alt for iSoc Given the above, as EM said, it looks like an open and shut case. However, as killgor noted, if d3mon is scum then he didn't do a great job at covering his tracks. That seems odd, but not impossible IMHO. Also, he did hammer Lyner, so at least he gave it a try. Nonetheless, there's certainly a possibility that d3mon is town. But since we didn't end up lynching the real cop yesterday we now have two shots left at lynching the last remaining scum. So, if d3mon flips town, and assuming that killgor gets NK'ed (since we had two confirmed townies NK'ed in a row now), then tomorrow I'll take my 50-50 shot at EM or Alt and keep my fingers crossed for the remaining townie not to vote for me. But well, it may never even come to that as it looks to me as though lynching d3mon might very well end the game as other than qualifying pro-town behavior as scum distancing themselves I have not seen a convincing case against either EM or Alt, so by PoE that leaves d3mon.
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Okay, now that EM has shown his face, I actually don't think we'll learn much more today. If anyone objects that I hammer Lyner they should speak up sooner rather than later. Otherwise... keep your fingers crossed.
