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Well. The velocity train seems to be in full swing. I believe MK was the only one on both wagons? (I don't remember where Preston voted. ). Again. It's possible I'm grilling Zacch and he's just being a new player, but it's hard with how he's acting. Even if from some it's "normal" Preston making always these super long posts. You think his active he is and how much he's typing he'd be more of a topic or driver of the town, or find him saying something super scummy. It's odd to me. LWW dose makes some good points. Yes we have to lynch in order to win. I just didn't find Kevin to be as scummy enough to vote off. Witch is fine. I feel it's more me not supporting the Kevin Lynch blindly I have the two votes on me anyways from the two. He's also made a good analysis on his last post about Velocity not being on it. It feels wierd the interaction between Brewers and Zacch. Zacch seems convinced Brewers is scum and Brewers is just like. Eh. I don't care at all about you. Idk if Brewers just thinks he's just a noob or is trying to insult him. Or both. I try to get to this game at least once a day when I'm at work. At least theres a ton to read each morning. I do feel Jazzy and Darkfox should vote. Irman joins me on voting Zacch and has been Grilling him. And yeah. I get the sentiment that Brewers and LWW seem like partners in some way but doubt scum would just buddy up like that. Not impossible, but not super likely. I do feel there something extra there, but unsure.

And suddenly after putting some pressure on him, he goes and dose that. I guess I'll take what I can get. And no Lyner. If your going to play, you gotta care. I'm not dropping it. I have to question if Brewers even suspects Jazzy, and if Zacch even suspects Brewers. I'm getting way to big of scum buddy vibes from all this crap.

I dont dislike you robert lol i disliked how you played for roughly a year or two where every single night action you did was targeting me and you basically only voted me. thats what I didnt like lol i wasnt on the kevin wagon i started it. lol give me credit Robert is trying hard to make it sound like being on Kevins wagon= scum.... we dont know if a signle scum was even on the wagon. Robert also instantly tied himself to kevin, when kevin voted tony. That is a typical scum move/tell- tie yourself to a townie. and robert is acting like what kevin did was normal town behavior. Lets be real, kevin randomly role claiming for no reason was not a typical town move. it was very scummy of him to do so. Robert keeps calling out the wagon as crappy and stuff, when in reality, kevin being voted made sense for his actions. only way to know he was town to the degree robert is being is if you are scum. big FoS on robert. ill go through all the other posts later but robert feels like the most scummy to me and will probably get my vote In before he screams OMGUS if you don't dislike me, you have a wierd way of showing that. I say that via the impression I get. Again. The Kevin wagon isn't going to have me give the people on it town points. You might believe it made sense for the town. I disagree with that notion. Wait, so you would have claimed a single action that gave town zero information but implicated yourself in having visited the person who was night killed, then tried to start a lynch train on someone because of a single lol vote, then abandoned it and pushed for no lynch as a last ditch attempt to save yourself? And...that's something that town would have done? Sorry, I just don't buy it at all. I mean clearly Kevin just played badly and then didn't know how to get himself out of his own hole (and even dug it further a few times), but that was extremely not obvious yesterday, and I think it's disingenuous to make it seem like everyone should have figured that out. This is a dangerous mindset if you're town. Ignoring the fact that a Voyeur is not the easiest role claim for town to prove anyway, he easily could have been a mafia voyeur with a safe claim, so proving his role would not have confirmed him as town. This game is probably a role madness game, and you can bet that scum will try to come up with role claims that make town think they should avoid lynching them. We can't let people off the hook for blatantly scummy actions just because they made a claim that we can't disprove. It's not personality, it's the fact that he said multiple times in D2 that he thinks Tony should have mod killed or replaced, and complained when he was allowed back in the game. He made it pretty clear that he didn't want Tony to be playing (seemingly for OOC reasons) and I think that makes him more suspicious given that Tony was killed the following night. As everyone has pointed out, there is no real reason that Tony should have been killed - if anything, there were reasons for mafia to keep him alive - so I don't think that Robert's stated motives should be ignored, especially in context of him trying to tie himself to Kevin so hard. This makes no sense to me. How could you tell that he's not scum if you also thought he was acting scummy? Yeah this is actually a smart observation and I noticed it too, at least in terms of jazzy reluctantly joining the wagon after a bit of pressure to vote. They weren't jumbled, but tbh it all felt like faux scum hunting to me. An attempt to seem to be putting a ton of energy into making lists and analyzing play, but in reality, all of the analysis was very superficial, imho. I mean part of your reasoning for suspecting jazzy was that he doesn't have a profile picture, and in your reasoning for darkfox, you just listed a lot of pro town behavior lol. It could just be bad analysis, but it doesn't make me less suspicious of you. ----------------------- Well, that was Preston levels of a lot of text lol. I'll try to post more actively now that the weekend is over. I think your taking my words too far in some cases and not far enough in others. Claiming when Kevin did, yes, his voting, not necessarily. I vote my own way and just don't follow the leader. Voyeur is a very pro-town role to me. Cant say I have played any game where the scum had voyeur ability. It is much more helpful for the townies because a Voyeur can actually confirm or contradict fake claims by townies/scum. But Kevin really played terribly with this role. He not only claimed for pretty much no reason and then put his vote on someone who could not even defend himself at that point, his choice of night target was kind of strange also. A town voyeur should target someone who is likely to get a lot of action on him, instead he chose iSoc who was very inactive. I would agree with this, but isn't fully why. I've played Mafia for a long time LWW. If you want to think I shoot from the hip and not care by all means. I put allot of thoughts into any night action I have. Maybe less during N1. If you want to believe I don't put thought into my night action, you can. I just find it funny.

KevinH (6): Brewersalliance, lilweirdward, Darkfox, Tony Maurice, Jazzy95, Zacch This was the wagon that that lynched Kevin. Tony was my prime suspect but was killed during N2. That leaves us with 5. Brewers, lww, Darkfox, Jazzy, and Zacch. There was only one kill during the night. So unless someone was somehow saved, and the doc died N1. The kill should be from scum. I say a lot percentage chance it was a vig. So it's time to update my suspect list. There's a few odd ones. These will be in order again. Zacch, Velocity, Lyner, Jazzy, Darkfox, MK, LWW, and Brewers. All the others I haven't mentioned I don't have any reason to have them on the scum list really. If I was to bet there some scum off the wagon, and some on. As grouping up and acting as a unit in D2 of all days I would think is suicidal and would avoid risky wagons. (Such as the Kevin or Tony wagon. Didn't somebody off jump off the Tony wagon even though it wasn't going well either. Zacch: it's hard to say with this man. Is he a loose cannon, dose he actually have experience playing Mafia? It makes him such a wildcard. I have no doubts Brewers is actually upset Tony was killed last night but Zacch takes random offense Brewers is upset? He is the only one doing something a bit different from the Kevin wagon is really the only plus and that's just drawing attention to him. His motives seem to be constantly changing and I have to suspect him. He was on the crappy Kevin wagon to top it off. I simply can't give him a free pass. Might it isolate me as he's the only Velocity: tbh Lyner could be 2nd as well so I have them as a tie. Putting him before Lyner is an odd thing but I feel partially he's purposely trying to avoid the spotlight. For this he takes an edge in Lyner as he's seems a bit more methodical in it. While sure, like me he didn't buy into the crappy Kevin wagon, but I feel they were entirely different reasoning for me and I think you can only take it 2 ways. If he's town how do you, (IF YOUR ARE TOWN), plan on winning by refusing to vote? Have others get the win for you? Lyner: he's literally all over the place. I firmly believe his skimming and wonder if he even cares about the game. His vote on ISoc 1.0 was so awkward, it's like he an insensitive college saying something about a Co-worker that died last night. His posts are very small compared to most people in the game. I'd be surprised if anyone did not at least have him somewhere on there scum list. He's either Trolling, clueless, or playing the worst scum player ever. DarkFox: He's above Jazzy mainly probably because he's more active. I'd put them more more tied honestly. He was on the Kevin Wagon, but at least seems to be trying to helpful to town and looking at different angles, but honestly everyone should be doing this. Like Jazzy he's mainly on here because of the Kevin wagon. Jazzy: is it his no profile picture that always wants me to treat him like a noob and always Give Jazzy the beinfite of the doubt, or just not many posts or much content to begin with? I realize I've went out of order now putting these in on my phone but many are tied so it shouldn't matter. MK: the last holdover from my early day 1 suspect list. At least I've partially suspected him. He the first to post today with a short but impactful post voting Velocity. Is he trying to Garner townie points? Dose he want to elaborate? He's above the final two. LWW: him and Brewers have been my biggest critics especially yesterday. Part of me wonders if this mainly because I didn't sheep over and want to lynch Kevin. I'm not saying it was the best claim or anything. But one he felt forced to. With that being the basis on why people latched on him as they felt it was enough in a lack of evidence but arguing it was the best. Compounding from yesterday the fact Tony died he puts a vote on me. I'm glad you think I'm just going to shoot as scum in my position. Instead of shooting someone that pull and make myself look more town instead I'm taken as someone who wants to literally jump in an oven. Sure. Really probably be my first choice or Isoc 1.0. now I'm sure your wonder, damn, why isn't LWW higher on my list? Is it simply cause they are purposely gunning for me? Or is there something behind the scenes? He even dropped in the suspect order from yesterday after the Kevin Lynch happened. I can't rule them out, but I feel a small bit better about him then Yesterday. Brewers: it's no secret I believe Brewers dislikes me. Though I enjoy pissing him off I was a Vig to shoot and kill Tony but isn't my style. I personally have believed since the beginning if Brewers was part of the scum team, he'd want to have me killed within the first two nights. But I'm still here. So either.....he's not scum and just a very agressive but ineffective townie, or......he's on the scum team and would rather Lynch me as that may be more of a victory over me somehow. But he didn't come right out the gates either to vote on me D3. And Brewers dosen't care if he's in the spotlight or not. But he has to now be in the scum list as he was on the crappy Kevin wagon and I don't see him going after anyone on the Kevin wagon. As that in a way, will say he was wrong. So in combination he's on here cause he has to be. Maybe a bit of combination of several things. But if Brewers was scum......I could seem him as a partner to LWW. Just saying as an impression they've given me. Everyone else I've haven't hade enough to put them on my scum list. If that lack of content, or actual reasoning. Therefore. I'm going to work down my list. If it puts me more in the spotlight. So be it as it might look like im going partially crazy voting for him. VOTE ZACCH Probably one of my longest posts in awhile. Hopefully there isn't too many Grammer errors in all of that. I don't believe my thoughts were conjumbled.

Wow. Not only was Kevin town but there went my top suspect but why? It seems however either scum is seriously messing with me or would rather Lynch me. Then there's lww, voting me once the day starts. Though his argument is crap. I get it, you didn't agree with my reasoning but dosen't make it no reasoning. You want my honest opinion. It was dumb to lynch Kevin. We lost an active townie who I (AGAIN) would of done the same exact thing in his position. If you can't understand that I can't help you. Or maybe skim my posts more. Though. I should expect the unexpected here. The kills seem wierd. And the reasoning even more. But damn. Zach vote is allitle wierd. Well. We have a short list and hopefully a some good night actions that paint a better picture. Now do we have any leads or do we just have the Kevin wagon?

Well. Looks like Kevin is going to be lynched. Not that I called it or anything. If Kevin flips town I'll likely not survive the night. If he's scum Brewers and Co will focus me down. Isoc is back. Witch is nice as I know he'll be somewhat active. Although Day 1 he didn't post a ton. Tony dosen't have his vote free to end the day early but there's still a few that could change there vote. Also. Something I just noticed. Why no Vote from Velocity?

Can you explain why Tony would be your strongest suspect? You haven't given any real reasons for voting him at all except that you think he's a better candidate than Kevin (and also OOC reasons that I don't think are fair). That's fine and a semi-valid reason to vote someone, but it's a big leap to go from "no better candidate available" to "strongest scum suspect" seemingly overnight. I think you misunderstand. Scum list is mainly who I find scumny. It's in order to biggest to smallest but how strong those feeling are are entirely different. Tony at the top for a few reasons. Dose not mean other candidates don't share the same reason. The Kevin wagon personally the main thing that stinks in this game. I'm at a firm belief he has too much of a deciding factor role to have been mod killed as well as him on the wagon. Witch is likely a scum role. If it was a town role you could shuffle a weak Townie role to the more powerful townie role for balance. But dosen't work that way for scum. So your on the list because of the Kevin Wagon. You currently have nothing additional. Not that I'm putting it on a actual point system. +3 for being on the current Kevin wagon or some bullshit. Could TW being overly nice sure. TW is an awesome guy and I don't think anyone would not want him in your corner on any issue but honestly the best way to find out and currently only other option unless a new wagon comes up. I don't really suspect Jazzy at this time and Brewers is either playing smart or isn't scum as I'm still alive. So LWW. If I think the Kevin wagon is bad reasoning, what option do you think I have other then Tony's? Am I missing something critical? Is there a different option I'm not seeing? Kevin put himself purposely in a bad position, with a role that visited who died. So if Kevin is scum, he either 1 lying about his role and actually the one who killed Isoc. Or 2, Mafia used a kill action and a voyerger action on Isoc instead of trying to use to hunt town power roles? Black Widow is one of the main characters and I imagine is in the game. So it's hard to imagine TW left out Black Widow and made her a fake claim. That's like taking out Wonder Woman in a Justice League theme game. So call me crazy or just "Kevin's scum partner". I'm simply not convinced and do what Kevin did to actually hopefully help the town. If a tracker saw me and claimed before I did. I'd probably be fucked. The same situation would apply to any player in this game. If you think keeping quiet is better. By all means. Sharks are in the water looking for any weakness or reason to vote. At the same token, I don't see what other options say you have if you didn't want to vote Tony or Kevin at this current point. So it's moot.

If we are going to be honest with ourselves, most the time I've been voted off has been for shitty reasons with no matter what Role I was or if I was scum or not, or if I said the right things or not. So your not going to Garner sympathy from me. My opinion is my own. I'm not the Mod. If I was things would be different. If you don't like it, tough luck. I realize you think our arguments are weak. Well. Guess what, if find the argument for Kevin's lynch weak. I vote for my reasons Brewers is actually correct. However unsure if we can about that with the game rules not talking about previous games. Therefore I can release a who my suspects are currently. In Order from my strongest suspect to least: Tony, Lilwierdward, Lunar, Zach, MK. Others I either don't have a good read on or is mad mainly Neutral. I also don't really have any good town reads.

he likes fingers apparently.

Wait.....doing something stupid to not get night killed. Why didn't Shamus or me try that? I have to question if you've read anything in this game. Just because you have a silly seal for an avatar dosen't mean you need to act like one.

Hey. Brewers isn't the top poster. It must be a miracle.

How dose this shit happen? I have to give Brewers benifit of the doubt he isn't scum as I'm still here. Though his reasoning is something to behold.

if that is your only reason for the vote you should remove that right nowI mean. I'm surprised they gave you a role just for Mafia. The whole unwilling to mod kill you I have to imagine you have a role that would of have to be replaced otherwise would throw the balance out of wack. The only roles that would do that is a scum role of some kind. If I'm wrong about Kevin, I'm wrong. I still feel it's likely Kevin is town. He outed himself that he visited Isoc. Why would scum do that? If you want to suspect me it's fine. let's draw the lines in the sand then. If he scum go for lynching me. If he's town. Well, we have a shortlist of who's on the wagon as someone on there will likely be scum. Or we can Lynch Tony here. Otherwise those are the only two options this dayphase is providing by the players. Unless someone is holding something back? Not that I'm surprised. They hade to latch onto something. Otherwise it be the person with the least amount of posts. Btw. Who's with the least amount of posts anyways?

Well. Considering the options... It's a weak power claim. A mob is forming around Kevin. I see some people are actually dismissing why he would actually do this as a townie very easily. It's clear many of you are grasping at straws for any lynch. So do I believe Kevin. Idk. It could be a town or scum role, but I've always made it a town role. But considering I don't think it really a safe play. I would think at the very least he is telling the truth about his power. Witch if that's the case I have one of my predictions. Prediction: all 4 sister power roles are in the game. Or at least 3. A tracker, a watcher, a Follower, and a Voyager. (The reason I say 3 is most DM's actually don't usually like Follower for whatever reason. (It's personally one of my favorite roles). So if I was in Kevin's position as town.... I'd definitely think that, and if I visited Isoc and he died with the Voyager role.....I would claim as he did. It might be too late as convincing the mob who dismissed what was probably the smartest play if he was town already. My thoughts certainly aren't going to persuade them. However we have someone who can't even really participate in the game and probably should of been Mod Killed in my opinion. So I'll go against the grain especially if it pisses off Brewers. VOTE TONY Unless someone has something worth while prusuing. Cause certainly the ones on the Kevin bandwagon makes more sense to Bandwagon to Bandwagon.

I have something interesting to share. I am Black Widow, an Avenger Voyeur. Last night I targeted iSocialism and indeed a kill action was performed. Why exactly did you target him specifically? What exactly does your claimed role do? it's a sister role to watcher, tracker, and follower role. Essentially a Voyeur watches someone and see what actions are proformed on any player. Official Mafia Scum description: The Voyeur is an informative role that can target a player at night and learn what was done to them that night (protection, investigation, etc), but not who did it. Voyeurs can be of any alignment. The Voyeur has very few variants; however, there are many related Roles: The Tracker learns who a player targeted, but not what action that player performed. The Follower learns what action a player performed, but not who that player targeted. The Watcher learns who targeted a player, but not what actions were performed on them. The Voyeur learns what actions were performed on a player, but not who targeted them. The Motion Detector learns if any actions were performed by or on a player, but not what they were, or who else was involved. A weaker variant of Voyeur learns if a player was targeted (by anyone other than the Voyeur), but learns neither who targeted them, nor which actions were performed on them. (Hope that tells you more. I've used these roles in my own. Games.)

I feel TW is trolling us if that is Kevin's real role.... Do we have any leads currently?

Is shamus an option since he posted in here two?

Let’s not crack open that can of worms just yet, I’ll have you know @lww, I’ve posted 5 more times this week than I did all of the last few months combined! I think I brought up some bad memory's, my bad. I think Kevin just trolled Brewers hard. I think that argument could be said for a few people.... That being said. I feel Brewers is just going to do what he wants even if we give him what he wants. UNVOTE VOTE: NO LYNCH But in this game, I believe the benifit of voting no Lynch would includes pissing Brewers off. If Brewers is scum he'll just shoot me anyways. Might as well do it anyways.

It it just me or is Brewers Desperate this game for a lynch? Like more then usual? Like a girl trying to get into a rich guys pants for child support.

are you suggesting Brewers is Thanos?

Not sure how medium came into discussion but ok.

WHAT IN THE NAME OF FUCK JUST HAPPENEDROBERT DIDNT VOTE FOR ME ITS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE UNVOTE VOTE PRESTON WHO TF ARE YOU ah. I didn't take the obvious bait but Preston did. Brewers is agressive as ever. Though this is the first time to threaten dick picks if a day 1 lunch isn't achieved. (What if his power is based on weather or not there was a lynch the previous day?)

Do I? Should I expect to be shot as soon as Night falls as well from you Brewer's? VOTE: Lord MK. Call it a gut feeling.

I thought about it and I'll join.

Not Guilty on all counts.