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I feel concerned by the current conversation as it start to going round (I feel) you talk about age limit from the first page. Many things have been said. I think you are trying to convince one-another. Well... it doesn't seem to work, then have a poll, vote for IRON's position about minimum age required to purchase weapons ! ^^ Or I may try to show why you doesn't succed to convice one-another ? With math ! "During the 2013–14 school year, colleges and universities are expected to award 943,000 associate’s degrees; 1.8 million bachelor's degrees; 778,000 master'sdegrees; 177,000 doctor's degrees" total : 3,7 million person each years. 4 killing spree a year (according to a post here) So : there ar less than 00.00 % of people causing a killing spree as teenage or young adult. I would say that a probability of 00.00001% (precisely) isn't a porbability that can count as a cause. the problem isn't age. As far as killing spree doesn't happen at office (as far as I know), It might be due to certain conditions directed linked to spécific persons in their environment. conditions that would have more than 00.00% chances to be the issue. Like treatment of other students, family environment, or other stuffs. There are enough case to have good statistics. Unfortunately everything has ended when we know we should have studied the case : so no mors statistics. (or complete ones) And ! If any cause or a spécific profile would have been found with those statistics, they would certainly concern private life or things that wouldn't be lawable (does that word exist ?) without higly restraining freedom or private life !

Could it come from Civil War, as states who suffered or feared the most the war, have set their age limit on 18 instead of 21 ? Maybe states with lower or upper age had an election with a senator proposing to increase/decrease the minimal age to buy, in order to guarantee a majority ? a story like : a state sets its age to vote on 18 (getting more electors), then a senator get 18+ votes proposing them to access to "federal dealer" or something like that ?

that was a pleasure !

I will just sat here and go back to a post on the first page talking about the fact that owning guns at home are rare, giving switzerland in the list of examples. In switzerland, it is part of the history that all citizents are soliders able to defend the country, today, after having a military service, they have duty to be able for mobilisation, from 18 years old to max 50 years old. All males are concerned. And they have to keep their personal material at home to keep it in order. It contains guns. So theorically, there schould be arround a gun per home in switzerland. And in France, gun-wearing license exist but is made to disencourage people as it costs a lot to maintain in order, and laws about using them are very stricts. I remember two different cases : - one of a jewelry, where the seller shot a thief walking toward him and get inprisoned because it wasn't shure that the thief was willing to kill him. (as he had only a gun-wearing license and not a gun-firing license, and wasn't in the "I shoot to save my life" case) As I'm not belonging to the USA weapon wearing debate, I hope I won't bother anyone posting this. (I tried to produce short sentences explaining complex things, say it, if it is unreadable or barely understandable) - one of a guy shooting a thief at night in his home and called for "right to protect home and goods security" and wasn't charged.