Dontavian

TM, I am absolutely serious. Nothing I’ve seen from you for the entirety of this game, has been the truth. You were continuing the Cop ruse into today until VL RCd as the Cop. If you’re scum and trying to fake it, you need to up your skills... being deceitful as Town just sets you up for a fall.... perceived integrity is really all the other Townies can go off of. In this instance, I don’t believe you, so my vote stands.

Also, what does this mean?: B - W D - C F - K V - L

What a tidal wave of text!! Basically all to "prove" Ferastical is scum? Did I miss it somewhere in there where you discussed why you fabricated being our Cop, complete with fake results, to get someone lynched? I don't see that you're doing anything other than to produce a wall of text in the hopes that the shear volume of verbiage will exonerate you from being the prime suspect. As of right now, I don't buy it. VOTE: Tony

Maybe this will motivate him Vote: Tony This...but I don't want to hammer him before the opportunity to explain himself. I don't know what he can say to justify the mind-boggling changes in his story etc, but...

W T F. This is like a Soap Opera

Good Job getting this far in Mafia and not being lynched! I'm sure there'll be some kind of revenge in a future game for me since I latched on the vote and wouldn't let go I know I'm dead and not supposed to talk but I'll say this. I don't hold grudges yirue good. Just a game lol I know you don’t... I was just tryna be funny. Again, very skillful on your part to have gone this long without being lynched. There should be an award You clearly didn't read the post from the moderator. Both the Scum and SK attacked LWW yesterday. As I mentioned, if I were the scum I would have gone after Tony without fail as he's the cop. I believed brewers RC over Tony's. I was mistaken. It happens. However, given yesterday's circumstances, while I didn't have solid evidence, I'm still very convinced that Velocity is the SK based on how he reacted to Tony's RC. But go ahead and mislynch again tonight. We're practically at LYLO now. I think based on these three inputs, It’s Definitely Lyner and then VL, based on inactivity/lurking.

yes, that's what I meant by both Ah, got it.

So, "shot AND killed" means both factions successfully went after Lilweirdward

Not following you...who chose LWW? @Lyner- you were the only one that didn't vote yesterday. Why was that?

So, because MK says "shot" that means the SK did the killing overnight? That makes it: 4 Town, 1 Mafia, and the SK. @FB, why do you think the SK is Velocity?

Good Job getting this far in Mafia and not being lynched! I'm sure there'll be some kind of revenge in a future game for me since I latched on the vote and wouldn't let go

It's highly unlikely that they're both scum, and if they were then we're in great shape because it means we'll hit scum either way and get one step closer to winning. This isn't complicated, we need to lynch scum today or we effectively lose. As for, well, the rest of it lol, I've said several times that the only thing that matters today is figuring out which of Tony and brewers are lying. We need to see who picks which sides since that'll help us catch the other two scum assuming we get it right today, and pushing people to justify their positions is smart because it's harder for scum to play dumb now vs tomorrow when more cards are on the table. If you don't want to address the main situation other than to say "maybe they're both scum" then that's your choice. We'll see how it works out for you in the next game day. You really don’t read do you...or you’re incapable of comprehending. My vote stays on brewers, that’s me weighing in on the current situation. Others can weigh in, or debate, or hammer one of them and end this miserable day.

Nope...wrong again: @brewers WRT your post: “so i had a reason to point that out. its a typical scum tell. i get being frustrated at being called out for it, but with everything going on, it would be nice of you to at least weigh in on the tony and me thing, and not just saying you are voting for me because i pointed out your actions at the start of the day is a VERY common scum tell” and “What you did is literally new scum player 101. was i supposed to just ignore it? lol town players typically do not rush to RC, its not a good play. i get what you were thinking, and i do think youre probably town (though u could be the sk)” Look earlier in the thread… where you decided to pick me to throw shade on me was NOT when I RCd. It was my initial post after the day started: “one thing that always intrigues me is when people feel the need to state the beyond obvious stuff like this: Dontavian, on 17 Nov 2020 - 07:11, said: Things are going well so far...except for Town 5 Townies to 1 Scum is not a sustainable trend i always feel like its someone trying way to hard to appear like they are town. if youre town, obviously having three town die per cycle is a bad thing lol you dont need to scream it to the entire world that you think its a bad thing. so i always take these posts with a grain of salt, as don could be a scum trying to appear like he is concerned for the town. and it would fit along with the scum being relatively newer with the kill of Kevin.” Which, was basically the same thing LWW posted as his day-starting post: “…, and now we only have 8 players and 3 scum left and are one mislynch away from LYLO. So, good work everyone. Let's at least try to get today right”, but you specifically picked me (not LWW) and offered up I was obviously scummy or such a novice as not to know better. Sooo, PAY ATTENTION HERE LWW… the way I read what he did: brewers signed on as the day started and singled me out as someone not in his faction that he could cast shade/reasonable doubt and possibly start a wagon on…so he started throwing “must be scum” accusations my way. I don’t think he anticipated my radical response of basically [paraphrasing] “I’ll be your huckleberry… I think what you just did was self-ID as not Town… not only that, but since I’m not a PR of any kind and Town is against the ropes…I’m VT.” Once we started that, brewers needed an out… surprisingly TM then decided to RC as a Cop (“I have a bit of a bomb to drop. I am here to role claim as the cop”). brewers disengaged from me, counter-claimed that HE was the cop and off they went. Something else to perhaps think about: We’re proceeding on the supposition that one of them is telling the truth…that either TM is Town or brewers is, even though there are holes in both versions. What if neither of them is? What if both RCs are fabricated? Isn’t it possible that one is scum and one is the SK and now they are locked in the “vote him, not me” struggle? It’s possible brewers is our SK, he was looking to maximize his impact today/improve his tactical position by trying to start a wagon on me when the day began. TM decided since I RCd as Town, he’d throw that out there to deflect attention from himself and got entangled with brewers in a death-spiral. LWW’s earlier post (Posted 17 November 2020 - 10:28 AM) points out: “Somewhat on that note, between WP and CoD, it looks like the SK is probably more experienced, or at least someone who understands the progression of kills. Wouldn't surprise me if it's Velocity, brewers, or maybe even Finster or Lyner. Just something to keep in mind, especially given what brewers said yesterday about it being in the SK's best interests to help us scum hunt which may make them seem more townish.” I’m leaving my vote on brewers as these actions bolster my intuition from the way he singled me out as a potential scapegoat. @LWW- so, there’s more reasoning on my leaving my vote for brewers. Take it, leave it, I don’t care. WRT your rambling: “It's dangerous for the town for you to skate by without weighing in on this decision at all. Saying that your original complaint with brewers is enough justification for you to stay silent the rest of the day is crazy, and exactly what scum would want to do. Even now you're not actually weighing in, just getting mad that I keep calling you out. If you're town then you're just hurting the rest of us by being too scared of being seen as scummy to help us. I don't know how you don't see that, unless you're scum and think that changing your tune will make you even more suspicious lol.” - Do you even read posts or are you for some reason just focused on being combative with me specifically? You spent all that time putting together your 11-page document, analyzing everyone’s posts and yet you can’t get away from: “Also if I had to put money down, I would bet that Finster is the SK and Don is the last mafia, almost regardless of whether the 2nd one is brewers or Tony. Not worth really getting into that more right now though.” You could not be more wrong about me. I don’t know how else to play more Town than I am and I don’t have an extensive-enough dossier with anyone to know how I “normally” play. If you feel that adamant about my scumminess, vote for me.

Nothing to add since I basically answered you on page 21, https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/64970-mk-6-switch-day-3/?p=1022515. My position on brewers hasn’t changed for the reasons previously stated. I’ve been keeping up with TM and brewers back and forth, but not posting for the sake of posting because for some reason in this game the focus on me is being a dumb noob, and somehow being pissy when I defend my action. WTF would I want to banter or try to contribute when that’s the response? If I have something definitive to post, I will, otherwise I’ll keep up with the thread. If the Mod has an issue with my post count, he can take me Mod Kill me.

Not sure what else I could do to validate my RC. Thread will just have to provide context and we’ll see what happens after the votes are cast. As for my pick, unless some other evidence comes up to corroborate his encyclopedic RC,I’m leaving my vote on brewers for the reasons previously stated. (Basically him attacking me for “an obvious post equating to a panicked noob scum”, setting up a straw man argument to throw shade on me). As stated, at that point, the only play I saw that would benefit Town was to RC so they knew. Resultantly, some others have followed suit on voting brewers, although not RCing.

Easy enough to do when playing multiple games... I just didn’t want that to confuse anyone

Um, just to clarify...I replaced Robert in brewers election game. I’ve always been in this game. As for me somehow panicking and RCing to deflect something... I’m NOT panicked and I’m not deflecting anything. I RCd for the reasons previously stated. brewers started piling on for no reason other than to throw suspicion on me, so since we’re LYLO as Town now, subtly is not an option. I am not a PR, so the only way I can help is to ID myself to the remaining town and vote someone I find suspicious... brewers. That’s as succinct and honest as I can be.

If I were “panicking” I wouldn’t do anything... I’d lurk on the side and hope for the best. I disagree that there’s no need to RC...as Town, I have no other method to communicate with other Town than to discuss in the open. Scum get to know who they are and coord in private, while being privy to the Town’s discussion. Town is against the ropes...I’m not a PR, I’m just fodder, so I’m IDing in the hopes the other Townies then know and can act accordingly. brewers decided to highlight me based solely on the fact that I posted. I pushed back...now you’re piling on, agreeing that I’m the one looking scummy...just because I’m trying to close ranks with the Town. Hmmm. WTF ever, I’ve RCd, the other Townies now know. The scum already knew, they just don’t know the SK.

Nothing to panic over and it has nothing to do with length of time I’ve been playing. I RCd to be honest and make the math easier. Since you’ve singled me out when all I’m trying to do is help Town, is by definition a scummy thing to do. So, let’s kick it up a notch... feel free to vote for me and we’ll leave it up to the others sitting on the side atm. Vote: brewers

i always feel like its someone trying way to hard to appear like they are town. if youre town, obviously having three town die per cycle is a bad thing lol you dont need to scream it to the entire world that you think its a bad thing. so i always take these posts with a grain of salt, as don could be a scum trying to appear like he is concerned for the town. and it would fit along with the scum being relatively newer with the kill of Kevin Or, this is brewers trying to deflect a spotlight away from himself by posting the obvious but saying I’m scummy because I posted the obvious I’ll RC now to save speculation and make the math easier, I’m VT

Things are going well so far...except for Town 5 Townies to 1 Scum is not a sustainable trend

CHEATERS! FRAUD! NO ONE HAS PLAYED THE GAME BETTER THAN ME!

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Speaking of out golfing, since levels of activity seems to be our default discriminator for who the mob lynches early on, there are others on the roster that haven’t posted at all during my brief tenure here and some that might have more “lolz/what’s up” posts than others just to log a post. Just saying.

Just another example of the rampant fraud is this blatant procedural “error”....it’s just another attempt to steal the vote. While I’m out golfing, my army of lawyers are filing frivolous lawsuits to tie this up for months. This is far from over...we’re going to win this thing, let me tell you. So that we can continue the fight, send money to my nation now!