CC - 2003
Argus - 644
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 137
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 65
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
MK - 35
brewersalliance- 34
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
boochluke -
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#6541
Posted 01 June 2017 - 02:47 AM
#6542
Posted 01 June 2017 - 04:16 AM
CC - 2003
Argus - 644
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 65
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
MK - 35
brewersalliance- 34
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
boochluke - 1
#6543
Posted 01 June 2017 - 04:42 AM
Argus - 644
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 66
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
MK - 35
brewersalliance- 34
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
boochluke - 1
“You have to accept yourself as God. You have to realize you’re just the Devil just as much as you’re God, that you’re everything and you’re nothing at all.”
-CM
Anally pounded by 5 nukes thus far. 1st nuke taken for IRON on 7/1/17
#6544
Posted 01 June 2017 - 01:05 PM
Argus - 644
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 66
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
MK - 35
brewersalliance- 35
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
boochluke - 1
Brewersalliance: Lover of the Pack and Beer. Hater of the Bears and Cheese.
Nukes Delivered for IRON-31
Nukes Taken for IRON-44
You are bresky, Brewsky, Brewers, stud-muffin, Mr. Sexypants, and that cute guy over in IA.
TO: Brewersalliance | FROM: SeaBeeGipson
TYPE: Nuclear Missile Strike | DATE: 8/18/2017 9:07:26 AM
Your nation has been attacked with nuclear weapons in a standard nuclear attack by SeaBeeGipson. You lost 488 soldiers, 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, 1.602 miles of land, 0.000 technology, 103.283 infrastructure, 75% of your aircraft, and 25% of your nuclear vulnerable navy force. In addition to these losses your nation will experience many days of economic devastation.Your clones are dead
#6545
Posted 01 June 2017 - 10:32 PM
CC - 2003
Argus - 645
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 66
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
MK - 35
brewersalliance- 35
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
boochluke - 1
Don't look at this
#6546
Posted 02 June 2017 - 05:53 PM
CC - 2003
Argus - 645
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 66
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -36
MK - 35
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
Brewersalliance: Lover of the Pack and Beer. Hater of the Bears and Cheese.
Nukes Delivered for IRON-31
Nukes Taken for IRON-44
You are bresky, Brewsky, Brewers, stud-muffin, Mr. Sexypants, and that cute guy over in IA.
TO: Brewersalliance | FROM: SeaBeeGipson
TYPE: Nuclear Missile Strike | DATE: 8/18/2017 9:07:26 AM
Your nation has been attacked with nuclear weapons in a standard nuclear attack by SeaBeeGipson. You lost 488 soldiers, 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, 1.602 miles of land, 0.000 technology, 103.283 infrastructure, 75% of your aircraft, and 25% of your nuclear vulnerable navy force. In addition to these losses your nation will experience many days of economic devastation.Your clones are dead
#6547
Posted 02 June 2017 - 11:46 PM
CC - 2003
Argus - 646
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 66
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -36
MK - 35
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
Don't look at this
#6548
Posted 03 June 2017 - 12:15 AM
CC - 2003
Argus - 646
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 66
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -37
MK - 35
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
Brewersalliance: Lover of the Pack and Beer. Hater of the Bears and Cheese.
Nukes Delivered for IRON-31
Nukes Taken for IRON-44
You are bresky, Brewsky, Brewers, stud-muffin, Mr. Sexypants, and that cute guy over in IA.
TO: Brewersalliance | FROM: SeaBeeGipson
TYPE: Nuclear Missile Strike | DATE: 8/18/2017 9:07:26 AM
Your nation has been attacked with nuclear weapons in a standard nuclear attack by SeaBeeGipson. You lost 488 soldiers, 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, 1.602 miles of land, 0.000 technology, 103.283 infrastructure, 75% of your aircraft, and 25% of your nuclear vulnerable navy force. In addition to these losses your nation will experience many days of economic devastation.Your clones are dead
#6549
Posted 03 June 2017 - 10:41 PM
CC - 2003
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 66
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -37
MK - 35
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
Don't look at this
#6550
Posted 04 June 2017 - 02:12 AM
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 67
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -37
MK - 35
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
“You have to accept yourself as God. You have to realize you’re just the Devil just as much as you’re God, that you’re everything and you’re nothing at all.”
-CM
Anally pounded by 5 nukes thus far. 1st nuke taken for IRON on 7/1/17
#6551
Posted 04 June 2017 - 01:26 PM
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 67
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -38
MK - 35
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
Brewersalliance: Lover of the Pack and Beer. Hater of the Bears and Cheese.
Nukes Delivered for IRON-31
Nukes Taken for IRON-44
You are bresky, Brewsky, Brewers, stud-muffin, Mr. Sexypants, and that cute guy over in IA.
TO: Brewersalliance | FROM: SeaBeeGipson
TYPE: Nuclear Missile Strike | DATE: 8/18/2017 9:07:26 AM
Your nation has been attacked with nuclear weapons in a standard nuclear attack by SeaBeeGipson. You lost 488 soldiers, 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, 1.602 miles of land, 0.000 technology, 103.283 infrastructure, 75% of your aircraft, and 25% of your nuclear vulnerable navy force. In addition to these losses your nation will experience many days of economic devastation.Your clones are dead
#6552
Posted 04 June 2017 - 07:10 PM
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 67
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -38
MK - 36
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
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#6553
Posted 04 June 2017 - 07:27 PM
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 68
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -38
MK - 36
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
“You have to accept yourself as God. You have to realize you’re just the Devil just as much as you’re God, that you’re everything and you’re nothing at all.”
-CM
Anally pounded by 5 nukes thus far. 1st nuke taken for IRON on 7/1/17
#6554
Posted 04 June 2017 - 09:25 PM
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 68
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -38
MK - 37
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
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#6555
Posted 04 June 2017 - 10:03 PM
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 69
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -38
MK - 37
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
“You have to accept yourself as God. You have to realize you’re just the Devil just as much as you’re God, that you’re everything and you’re nothing at all.”
-CM
Anally pounded by 5 nukes thus far. 1st nuke taken for IRON on 7/1/17
#6556
Posted 04 June 2017 - 11:37 PM
CC - 2003
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 69
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -39
MK - 37
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
Brewersalliance: Lover of the Pack and Beer. Hater of the Bears and Cheese.
Nukes Delivered for IRON-31
Nukes Taken for IRON-44
You are bresky, Brewsky, Brewers, stud-muffin, Mr. Sexypants, and that cute guy over in IA.
TO: Brewersalliance | FROM: SeaBeeGipson
TYPE: Nuclear Missile Strike | DATE: 8/18/2017 9:07:26 AM
Your nation has been attacked with nuclear weapons in a standard nuclear attack by SeaBeeGipson. You lost 488 soldiers, 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, 1.602 miles of land, 0.000 technology, 103.283 infrastructure, 75% of your aircraft, and 25% of your nuclear vulnerable navy force. In addition to these losses your nation will experience many days of economic devastation.Your clones are dead
#6557
Posted 05 June 2017 - 01:06 AM
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 70
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -39
MK - 37
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
“You have to accept yourself as God. You have to realize you’re just the Devil just as much as you’re God, that you’re everything and you’re nothing at all.”
-CM
Anally pounded by 5 nukes thus far. 1st nuke taken for IRON on 7/1/17
#6558
Posted 05 June 2017 - 06:02 AM
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 70
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -39
MK - 38
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
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#6559
Posted 05 June 2017 - 06:51 AM
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 71
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -39
MK - 38
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Chaotic Phantom - 1
“You have to accept yourself as God. You have to realize you’re just the Devil just as much as you’re God, that you’re everything and you’re nothing at all.”
-CM
Anally pounded by 5 nukes thus far. 1st nuke taken for IRON on 7/1/17
#6560
Posted 05 June 2017 - 02:23 PM
CC - 2003
Argus - 647
LS - 604
murphpk - 163
Rhizo - 155
RR - 138
Theophilos - 137
Hertt - 113
dagonslayer51 - 111
AngelCruzdelaSant - 87
Fermion - 77
King Cankles - 71
welder - 47
George Jarvis - 46
brewersalliance -40
MK - 38
Mazuurek - 19
Jarcine1221 - 18
Balacenia - 16
captainjf - 16
spike2 - 14
myrrdin Emrys - 13
MorganFreeman - 13
Yamuna - 13
theWanderer - 11
legoboyvdlp - 9
Leche06 - 6
Rolento - 4
Sithon - 3
Kaziocore - 3
Mandarijn - 3
sukmaindra9 - 3
1ceCream - 3
JayMillz - 2
Whitebeard - 2
Atliis-4
Robert2424 - 1
curunfiwe - 1
Brewersalliance: Lover of the Pack and Beer. Hater of the Bears and Cheese.
Nukes Delivered for IRON-31
Nukes Taken for IRON-44
You are bresky, Brewsky, Brewers, stud-muffin, Mr. Sexypants, and that cute guy over in IA.
TO: Brewersalliance | FROM: SeaBeeGipson
TYPE: Nuclear Missile Strike | DATE: 8/18/2017 9:07:26 AM
Your nation has been attacked with nuclear weapons in a standard nuclear attack by SeaBeeGipson. You lost 488 soldiers, 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, 1.602 miles of land, 0.000 technology, 103.283 infrastructure, 75% of your aircraft, and 25% of your nuclear vulnerable navy force. In addition to these losses your nation will experience many days of economic devastation.Your clones are dead
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