Sorry for the delay, I'm stealing Kazio rules and changing some rules to fit this.

 

General Rules

• http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/38058-general-rules
• There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it. If someone contacts you outside the game you should report it to the game Mod IMMEDIATELY.
• Do not talk outside the game thread about an ongoing game except where allowed to do so by your role. Likewise, do not use bbcode to hide secret messages - this equates to discussion outside the thread.
• Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.
• Do not edit/delete posts.
• Dead People may talk amongst themself during the night ONLY. They may joke, kid, but NO game related information may be spoken of. Haunting is perfectly acceptable and may haunt the living as they see fit.
• Do not post links to quicktopic threads relevant to this game unless I give you permission.
• Claiming scum by yourself is fine (This is not recommended though). Claiming scum with others is not, regardless of the truth of this claim.
• Pretending to break a rule will be treated the same as breaking the rule.
• Role Claiming is allowed. (This is not recommended though.)
• Play to win. and have fun.

Activity/Prods/Replacements

• If a player goes 72 real life hours
  without posting, they may be prodded at my discretion, or upon being
  asked by another player. Prods will be announced in thread.
• If a player does not respond to their prod within 24 real life hours, would be prodded thrice in the same game-day, or four times in total within the game, they may be force-replaced at my discretion.
• If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 72-hour period please PM the Mod so that you don't get replaced!

Deadlines

• The length of each day depends on the number of players (# of players + 2); Nights will have a deadline of 72 hours.
• I may extend deadlines in the event replacements must be found, at my discretion. This will be announced in thread.
• I might extend deadlines upon player request if they provide good reasoning for the extension and activity is good.
• Deadlines may be shortened if activity is too low, or if all Night choices have been received early.

Player Actions/Voting/Player Death

• using bold (VOTE: Player name). If you do not wish to lynch, you may VOTE: No Lynch.
  Abbreviations, missing punctuation, and misspellings will be accepted as long as it is obvious to me who is being voted for. If I perceive it as a vote, it counts as a vote.
• It is not necessary to explicitly unvote (UNVOTE: Player name) before voting someone else.
• Once a majority of votes is reached (# of players / 2 + 1, rounded down), that person is lynched.
• All living players, including the lynchee, may continue to post until I lock the thread.
• In the event deadline is reached before a lynch has occurred, there will be No Lynch.
• If a player has a night action, but does not submit a choice before deadline, it is unknown what may happen.

Miscellaneous

• THIS IS MY MOD COLOR. DO NOT USE IT.
• Invisible/small/encrypted text is not allowed.
• Modkills will be enforced. If you do something that is a modkillable offense, it will be done in a way that is detrimental to your faction. You will be changed to a neutral survivor (automatic lose).
• If you find loopholes in any of the rules and use them it is considered not good sportsmanship. This doesn't apply to game mechanics of course. If you find a loophole that seems important please do not hesitate to notify me immediately.
• Have fun!

Other Notes about this Setup

• All Night actions will be resolved using Natural Action Resolution.
• If there is a conflict between the rules and what is written in a player's role PM, the role takes precedence.
• Non-investigative type roles with an Active ability will not be told if their action was successful or not. Investigative roles will be told something along the lines of "No Result" if their action was unsuccessful.
• Protective abilities normally block all normal kill attempts (even stacked attempts) unless explicitly stated otherwise.
• Cults or roles that change the alignment of players will not appear in this game.
• All QTs will be made public at game’s completion. Don’t say anything in there that you would not want being aired in public.
• expect the unexpected. Do not outguess the mod. Feel free to message me questions about the game. I'll answer them to the best of my ability with out being a bad mod, ruining the game, or hurting somebody else. This game is made to make you think.
• Unknown Conditions may exist for roles. Take that for what it is.

 

 

Role PM's HAVE NOT BE SENT OUT YET! I'll be sending them after I get home from work later tonight. I will give day one story after 50% of you have checked in.

 

1. Commander Shepard

2. killgor

3. Imran Ehsan

4. KevinH

5. Electric Mango

6. Angel Cruz dela Sant

7. Teufel Hunden

8. K33PS

9. Blaskowicz

10. Lyner

11. Kaziocore

12. Ovidsidios

13. zenonia

This game doesn't look like it will be much fun from what i have seen so far

 

You can however be quite wrong.

 

you really should stop it

 

Probably but it is impossible to not say anything about that subject given what he said in his last post.

It's better to get rid of any baggage at the start. 

See Kevin, people are already beginning to take sides. Who says Day 1 voting is a bad thing. I've already deduced that a couple people are not allied to Commander Shepherd. Just think how much more we could learn if we actually lynched someone.

Also Im guessing that k33ps is probably a townie as well. If everyone voted no lynch all of this information would be lost.

unvote

 

cause... just cause

YAY I'm going starting to make a comeback in the votes. Oh wait that's a bad thing. lol 

See Kevin, people are already beginning to take sides. Who says Day 1 voting is a bad thing. I've already deduced that a couple people are not allied to Commander Shepherd. Just think how much more we could learn if we actually lynched someone.

tons of WIFOM!

 

I don't really see why we need to go for a policy lynch this early.

See Kevin, people are already beginning to take sides. Who says Day 1 voting is a bad thing. I've already deduced that a couple people are not allied to Commander Shepherd. Just think how much more we could learn if we actually lynched someone.

 

 

Look, I think a lot of false correlation is being made here that would make inaccurate information just as bad as no information. But I digress, because listen, I'm only doing what has been most common in all the mafia games I've played. And that's no lynch on the first night. That was it, not greater schemes at play here. I mean, sure I could say, "whelp, short straw, lynch me and be wrong; greater good yadda yadda yadda..." but I like to actually play this game

 

So like anyone I make a case. Especially since you pointed out about voting patterns, I ask ya, "what I'd do? What pattern have I provided to incur the bandwagoning of so many?"

 

It's purely random, and from the tone it seems to have incurred from some of the players, entirely personal. Should I curtail reasoning to ad hominems? I ask again, "what reasoning?"

I think it may be because you immediately said "No Lynch!" as soon as the game started. People could easily interpret this as scum trying to make the town put itself at a disadvantage. Once a few people vote for you, others feel justified in doing it.

It was nothing personal by me either. I believe that a day 1 lynch helps the town and you had the best chances of being lynched.

I was celebrating because finally some people see it my way.

 

Let's make it official.

 

Vote: No-Lynch

Your way is... not a good way. Though with that said at least we have some discussion going. (something that would definitely not happen if the speed no-lynch went through)

 

I'm going to vote: Electric Mango since apparently Teufel has three votes already and who knows how much you guys like to bandwagon lol

Commander Shepard

killgor

Imran Ehsan

KevinH

Electric Mango (1) (zenonia) (L-6)

Angel Cruz dela Sant (1) (Teufel Hunden) (L-6)

Teufel Hunden (Lyner, Imran) (L-5)

K33PS

Blaskowicz

Lyner

Kaziocore

Ovidsidios (5) (Commander Shepard, Electric Mango, KazioCore, Angel, K33PS) (L-2)

zenonia 

 

(3) No lynch : Kevin, Ovid and Blaskowicz

 

Not Voting Yet: killgor

 

Ovid is the current to be lynch leader. He is at L-2. Was at L-1 till killgor unvoted.

 

Remember, 7 to lynch

 

 

What can we infer from a lynched townie on day one?  Not much as last game proved.

 

What can we infer from a bunch of night actions?

A Cop can find scum or clear someone.

A Tracker or Watcher can see the scum kill.

As townies, we can look for hints because somebody might know something.

Right now, nobody knows nothin'.

 

The thing about RVS is that hints pop up now. If you had your way (everybody let's all vote nolynch), we'd be playing by night start, which is an inherent advantage to the scum. (A day cycle is an advantage to town, generally speaking.) 

 

I am not advocating a random lynch, which is what transpired last game. A hurried lynch is just as bad as a nolynch (slightly worse, probably). We should use our time to deliberate.

 

Won't the tracker/watcher also pick up other night actions that aren't kills? And it is very likely that scum pulls off their kill at night, so nights are worse for town, unless the setup is massively imbalanced.

 

 

I hear reasonable conclusions is grounds for lynching. Speak with care.

 

 

Yeah, reasonable conclusions sure, but RVS is definitely not the time to be lynching. It's the random voting stage, not the random lynching stage.

I think it may be because you immediately said "No Lynch!" as soon as the game started (Honestly I've never played a game where someone was able to feasibly argue a 1st day lynch; and still games have been won in favor of the townsfolk). People could easily interpret this as scum trying to make the town put itself at a disadvantage. Once a few people vote for you, others feel justified in doing it.

 

 

It was nothing personal by me either. I believe that a day 1 lynch helps the town and you had the best chances of being lynched. (for reasons most likely stated above)

 

Yes! Precisely my point, and now as we're on the same page, my retorts were from sheer bafflement. It's one thing if after the 3rd (or 2nd day even) to begin to feel the bitter sting of "fairness" as people decide their own paths. As much as I know how childish this may sound, in truth I felt the entirety of this (incredibly unprecedented) first day was just a tad "unfair". Yeah I might have been the first, but is that really any reason? If I survived till the sixth day, and on that day you vote to lynch me, would you say, "in spite of all the evidence, it was because he posted first"? You might propose that things would be different as the presence of evidence behooves us to act, not the other way around. Because that would be reasonable. If anything I've said is invalid, then please point it out to me, but if later in the game you apply those machinations of inference that have delivered many a game in favor of townsfolk, to deny me that prudence based poor timing seems entirely "unfair".

 

And this I can say honestly, at least in my vote for no lynch, I did so on the principle of fair reasoning. To give each one their due...

Actually, I think the last game proves my point.

 

A bunch of townies lynch another townie on Day 1.  

What information is to be gained?

lol that game was lulzy

scum didn't know who their partners are

Unvote: Ovidsidios
 

It's not anymore RVS when people are already voting with reasons

 

 

 

Well you see this is the marvel of those who try and vote on the first day. They reveal their pure irrational capacity by grasping at straws. Was I the only one to vote for no lynching for the credible reason that I will not condemn a potential innocent on baseless intuition? No. But was I the first to do it? Must be guilty, then.
 
 
I can already tell that you both will not only be the most vocal of players, but the ones least able to be reasoned with. Only such players, with such bravado, have something to hide. With such wild abandon in your voting, I am (sincerely) wondering why you're being so quick to lynch people?

lol k

 

You can however be quite wrong.

 

you really should stop it

 

What's wrong with his statement?

 

IMMA

 

VOTE: KILLGOR

 

You're quick to bandwagon and to unvote

Well if Ovidsidious is scum then killgor and Kaziocore both look a lot more suspicious to me.

 

Also I would love love love to mod the next game. My rule is that Day 1 everyone must vote no lynch for the day to end. Everyone would wake up Day 2 and and know exactly as much as they did at the start of Day 1. Then they would finally see the light, set aside their old ways and worship me as their Mafia god.

OMG, look at how much conversation is happening! Every word anyone posts here is evidence. Every word here reveals more of the story, and a quick no-lynch vote gives us less info because of this. 

But because I want lulz.

 

Unvote:ovidsidios

It's time

 

 

Vote: No-Lynch

Well if Ovidsidious is scum then killgor and Kaziocore both look a lot more suspicious to me.

 

Also I would love love love to mod the next game. My rule is that Day 1 everyone must vote no lynch for the day to end. Everyone would wake up Day 2 and and know exactly as much as they did at the start of Day 1. Then they would finally see the light, set aside their old ways and worship me as their Mafia god.

 

you have my like. and i'll even give you a +1 (should tell you though i don't have a fb and don't know my gmail pw, but yeah...)

Also I would love love love to mod the next game. My rule is that Day 1 everyone must vote no lynch for the day to end. Everyone would wake up Day 2 and and know exactly as much as they did at the start of Day 1. Then they would finally see the light, set aside their old ways and worship me as their Mafia god.

 

You already are my Mafia God.

 

Some thoughts:

• Anything's fair if you declare it ahead of time.
• Anyone with a night action would know more than they did on Day 1.

I see we have still have not came to a stable conclusion whether to lynch or not to lynch and the heated debate about why day 1 lynch is unfair is still going on...and with that said I'll just sit here and remind while I would like to play my offer from earlier still stands of offering myself up for this never ending day to be over and I think it would be cool to be a ghost...just saying. I mean ghost are cool. You should all just ask WWJD (What would Jesus do).

I made a boring post and cancelled it by accident, tldr; voting != lynching.

K33PS, you're more useful to the town being alive.