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[Lysistrata]

I would like to know how my English cousins feel about this big vote today.

Braveheart is my favorite movie of all time... even though it's horribly, historically inaccurate.

 

I have always been a fan of the Scots, and I want to visit someday.

They have their chance today, but I fear now is not the best time. The whole world sucks right now.

[ccabal86]

Nationalism and religion are the two most dangerous human diseases of our time.

That's my take on it, but I'm not a UK citizen

[Robert2424]

I'm a mutt. On my moms side I have allot of Scottish in me and some German. On my dad side I have allot of Irish, some English, and a little Native american Charakee in me. 

[Lysistrata]

When your last name is Banks, you know where you came from. I'm Dutch from my mother's side, Van Alstine is a dead givaway.

[Blade 619]

We're better off without Scotland, so let them leave. It'd be a travesty of history and they'll probably end up doing an Ireland / Portugal but there we go. For the rest of us, life goes on and whiskey gets more expensive.

[Icewolf]

I have a percuniary interest (ie I bet my boss a pint of beer they would vote no) to declare. 

 

 

However I do not think Scotland would be benefited by leaving the Union. And I have been disappointed in the debate so far. Its been good that the participation rate has been so high, but for the most part the campaigns have been weak. Alexander Salmond is not a man with a plan. He wants to build a new country in 18 months and has no idea how to do it, and has been constantly vague on what it would look like. Alistair Darling, leader of Better together has zoomed in on this and criticised him for it. 

 

But at the heart of the campaign there has been a total failure to really talk about what this is. There is a lot of talk about next year, or the year after. But this is not about that. This is about 50 years, 100 years, 300 years. What happens tonight will be felt for literally hundreds of years. For a person living in the UK it is likely to be the most significant political event of our lifetimes. Because whatever happens the UK is going to change dramatically over the next 2 years. 

But that hasn't been talked about. There has been precious little talk about identity...do Scottish people want to stop being British? Do they want to become foreign citizens in London? Do they want English men and women working in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen immigrants? Do they want to make their fellow Scots in London, Manchester, Birmingham ex-pats? 

 

Fundamentally, do they want a different country? 

 

That question has not really been expressed and discussed and has been lost over issues such as currency and EU Membership. Which whilst they are important issues about how Scotland would look, I do not feel they reach the heart of the issue.

[Blade 619]

I have a percuniary interest (ie I bet my boss a pint of beer they would vote no) to declare.

On that point I do have 14p riding on a yes vote, so no matter what I'm happy at the news tomorrow.

On a side note... Why do the 50-60 other citizens of the UK have no say in the break up of our country... oh yeah... because (I'm not going to write this in case someone tries to do me for slander).

[Lysistrata]

Thanks again Icewolf. That's what I'm looking for. 400 years ago the world was so small and identity was a big deal.

A "Yes" vote would be an emotional vote in favor of the traditional rebellious Scots that fought the English monarchy.

The world got bigger and the empire receded since the bloodbath of WWII. You would think the struggles they have had to endure through the years would have healed the wounds, and they can realize, they are family.

[Lysistrata]

 

On a side note... Why do the 50-60 other citizens of the UK have no say in the break up of our country... oh yeah... because (I'm not going to write this in case someone tries to do me for slander).

I agree with you Sir. 100%

I don't know if they really know what will happen... Has this been thouroughly thought through?

[Lysistrata]

"What's the point?... It's like a couple getting a divorce in their 70's" - Andrea Tantaros, FOX News

[Icewolf]

Its going to be No. BBC national prediction is 55% NO, 45% YES. A bigger no Lead than was predicted by the eve of election polls.

[Lysistrata]

Yes I have been watching... when Dundee came in at 57% Yes, I thought it would be a long night, but No takes the prize.

Glasgow was strong for Yes. Argyll and Bute was a dead even tie, I mean exact... how did that happen?

Edinburgh just came in and nailed the coffin shut on this one. It's been fun gang.

[FS108]

If i was Scottish i would vote for yes, just every other nation under the United Kingdom's Empire was split after World War 2 but why not Scotland.

[Robert2424]

Its whatever. interesting, there techeclly even more nations, but allot of them were very small that the English ate up and absorbed. 

[Icewolf]

The Sussex Independence Campaign is gaining strength I hear

 

 

On another note, whilst we are on the subject of bits of the country we want to lose, we really need to do something about Peterborough. 

[Danvey]

The Sussex Independence Campaign is gaining strength I hear

 

 

On another note, whilst we are on the subject of bits of the country we want to lose, we really need to do something about Peterborough. 

 

WESSEX WILL BE REBORN.

 

(I'd say more Bradford than Peterborough...)

[Shahenshah]

Now wait for westminster to fuck this up.

[Finster Baby]

As a Yank, I've been watching this with detached bemusement.

The First Minister of Scotland clearly has no idea what he's doing. He was trying to score points and promote nationalism without a plan.

David Cameron should go play the lottery. I was convinced this was gonna be a yes vote. It would have cost him his job if it did. There's lots of things still to work on from where I sit.

I'll have to watch PMQs on Wednesday. This one should be interesting. I wanna see Milliband rip Cameron apart.

I do wish MCRABT were around. I'd love to get his take.

[onbekende]

When your last name is Banks, you know where you came from. I'm Dutch from my mother's side, Van Alstine is a dead givaway.

 

I wouldn't ba so sure about being dutch with "Van Alstine", you have definate knowledge its from the netherlands?

[Blade 619]

If i was Scottish i would vote for yes, just every other nation under the United Kingdom's Empire was split after World War 2 but why not Scotland.

Scotland isn't a nation under the "empire"... Scotland and England joined together (with all their colonies) as one entity for many reasons largest Empire in recorded history.