(copied and pasted from Fox fire's thread on CN forums)

 

Two heavily armed men entered the Charlie Hebdo office in Paris's 11th District and opened fire inside, SPG police union spokesman Luc Poignant told CNN affiliate BFMTV.

He said the attack, close to Place de la Bastille, at least three police officers were injured. The Paris mayor's office said at least six people were wounded, according to BFMTV.

The French government raised the country's security alert system to its highest level Wednesday after the attack, according to French media.

Hollande and other senior government officials were due to arrive at the scene of the shooting, BFMTV said.

A witness who works in the office opposite the magazine's told BFMTV that he saw two hooded men, dressed in black, enter the building with Kalashnikov submachine guns.

"We then heard them open fire inside, with many shots," he told the channel. "We were all evacuated to the roof. After several minutes, the men fled, after having continued firing in the middle of the street."

Witnesses also spoke of seeing a rocket launcher, according to French media reports.

It's not yet clear what happened to the gunmen or whether they remain at large. There has also been no claim of responsibility.

The satirical magazine's premises have been under long-running police surveillance because of a potential threat from Islamist extremists.

The magazine's office was burned three years ago in response to its publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

In November 2011, Charlie Hebdo's offices caught fire the day it was due to publish a cover making fun of Islamic law.

 

There we go again...will there ever be an end to all these people being killed?

 

 

NSFW/NSFL Probably a good idea not to watch this video

 

After watching that vid I'm in shock...these guys need to be arrested and obtain the most inhumane punishment one can think of. I usually don't like to combat violence but violence, but anyone that shares the views of these 3 deserves the same treatment. There is no place on this world for people like them.

Edited January 7, 201511 yr by Lanyaie

There we go again...will there ever be an end to all these people being killed?

Not while there are people willing to kill or die for their opinions. So... not while there are people.

This war is completely stupid though. I'm sick of it.

You know, Marine LePen is right on this one. Time to dust off the guillotines.

You know, Marine LePen is right on this one. Time to dust off the guillotines.

wowowowowowwow

No. Fuck it. They want to join their prophet in paradise? Let's help them! Hell, they seem to prefer beheadings, after all, we should make the journey as pleasant as possible.

After seeing what the Prophet Mohammad 's  followers do to people , I have come to the conclusion that he is not the kind of god that I want . I will stick to the GOD that I have.

 

It used to be that those that died for freedom, died on the battlefield. It seems the battlefield has been brought to them. These French victims are no different. God rest their souls. Let us honor them in the name of freedom. 

 

3T

After seeing what the Prophet Mohammad 's  followers do to people , I have come to the conclusion that he is not the kind of god that I want . I will stick to the GOD that I have.

 

It used to be that those that died for freedom, died on the battlefield. It seems the battlefield has been brought to them. These French victims are no different. God rest their souls. Let us honor them in the name of freedom. 

 

3T

Let's not demonize Islam in comparison to other religions. Christianity and Judaism are just as bloody and ridiculous. The only difference is the times and cultural evolution. Christians can't go around burning witches, stoning homosexuals and launching crusades anymore because religion is dying in the west and things are becoming more liberal.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Salafi/Wahhabi movement is a pretty new thing that popped up in opposition to this global liberalization.  Even most Salafists are opposed to this type of crap. Islam should not be defined by the actions of a few dick heads. That's like defining Christianity based on the actions of the KKK or Westburo Baptist Church or one of the other countless Christian sects that are insane.

No. Fuck it. They want to join their prophet in paradise? Let's help them! Hell, they seem to prefer beheadings, after all, we should make the journey as pleasant as possible.

The guillotines would be too public, you'd only make a martyr out of them. Private execution would be more fitting as you'd be only doing the hard work for them by publicly executing them. 

Eh, you're probably right. The Bin Laden approach is probably the best: find, execute on spot, dump trash in the sea.

IT'll be interesting to see France's response to this... they have been quite anti-involvement in the "war on terror" (let's not debate the contradictions of that title and the reality).

 

After seeing what the Prophet Mohammad 's  followers do to people , I have come to the conclusion that he is not the kind of god that I want . I will stick to the GOD that I have.

 

It used to be that those that died for freedom, died on the battlefield. It seems the battlefield has been brought to them. These French victims are no different. God rest their souls. Let us honor them in the name of freedom. 

 

3T

Let's not demonize Islam in comparison to other religions. Christianity and Judaism are just as bloody and ridiculous. The only difference is the times and cultural evolution. Christians can't go around burning witches, stoning homosexuals and launching crusades anymore because religion is dying in the west and things are becoming more liberal.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Salafi/Wahhabi movement is a pretty new thing that popped up in opposition to this global liberalization.  Even most Salafists are opposed to this type of crap. Islam should not be defined by the actions of a few dick heads. That's like defining Christianity based on the actions of the KKK or Westburo Baptist Church or one of the other countless Christian sects that are insane.

 

 

I don't follow your point that Christianity and Judaism are just as bloody as modern Islamist extremism.  Did Christianity and Judaism retain its membership by threatening to execute anyone who left their religion? Remember, this is according to the example set by Muhammad.  Does Christianity and Judaism teach that those who were not Jewish or Christian are less than fully human? Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim. 

 

I am not speaking about all Muslims, but this extremist ideology of hatred towards other religions and killing those that do not believe in "Allah". These extremists have continued their Jihad against other religions for hundreds of years, checked by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicity in the name of Allah.  This gives Allah a bad name, you don't think?

 

3T

Eh, you're probably right. The Bin Laden approach is probably the best: find, execute on spot, dump trash in the sea.

I say we should just leave the middle east. It's not like this is a war we can win.

Let Israel defend itself. The religious beliefs of a minority in America should not define our foreign policy. If people REALLY want a Jewish state surrounded by millions of Muslims on land that is considered Holy to Abrahamic religion in general, then those people can move there and fight for it themselves, using their own money, weapons, blood and sweat.

Military intervention created Islamic State, so military intervention isn't the solution. Afghanistan is going absolutely nowhere. I mean like WTF are we still doing there? Having a circle jerk? Or do we plan to make it the 51st state?

 

My solution to all of this:

Give the middle east what it wants. We leave, then they can all kill each other and sort it out themselves. Problem solved.

 

 

After seeing what the Prophet Mohammad 's  followers do to people , I have come to the conclusion that he is not the kind of god that I want . I will stick to the GOD that I have.

 

It used to be that those that died for freedom, died on the battlefield. It seems the battlefield has been brought to them. These French victims are no different. God rest their souls. Let us honor them in the name of freedom. 

 

3T

Let's not demonize Islam in comparison to other religions. Christianity and Judaism are just as bloody and ridiculous. The only difference is the times and cultural evolution. Christians can't go around burning witches, stoning homosexuals and launching crusades anymore because religion is dying in the west and things are becoming more liberal.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Salafi/Wahhabi movement is a pretty new thing that popped up in opposition to this global liberalization.  Even most Salafists are opposed to this type of crap. Islam should not be defined by the actions of a few dick heads. That's like defining Christianity based on the actions of the KKK or Westburo Baptist Church or one of the other countless Christian sects that are insane.

 

 

I don't follow your point thatf Christianity and Judaism are just as bloody as modern Islamist extremism.  Did Christianity and Judaism retain its membership by threatening to execute anyone who left their religion? Remember, this is according to the example set by Muhammad.  Does Christianity and Judaism teach that those who were not Jewish or Christian are less than fully human? Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim. 

 

I am not speaking about all Muslims, but this extremist ideology of hatred towards other religions and killing those that do not believe in "Allah". These extremists continue their Jihad against other religions for hundreds of years, checked by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicity in the name of Allah. 

 

3T

 

You should read the bible. Both the Torah and Bible specifically state that non-believers should all be killed on numerous occasions. Hell, the bible even tells you to kill your kids if they curse at you, stone your daughter if shes not a virgin on her wedding day, and even exterminate entire towns if even one person among them is a non-believer.

The difference is that while the world has become more liberal, the Muslim culture has stayed relatively the same, because unlike Christianity, Islam cannot be edited or changed. The Quran and Sharia remain the way they were written, unlike the bible.

The west inevitably created this problem when we dissolved the Ottoman Empire. We should have never done that.

This extremist ideology is entirely based on that particular event in history.

You see, leaving the middle east is not a solution. You are folly to believe that western involvement in the Middle East is the cause of the jihadist movements. Bin Laden and the likes do not/did not engage in terrorism to achieve specific and well defined goals, like driving peacekeepsrs out of a specific country. No. They're fighting against ideologies defferent than their own, a fight that they would only see over with the full extermination of the other groups. They hate everyone that is defferent than them, and they will not stop with the killings.

 

Why else would the Islamic State execute fellow muslims of a slightly different religious practice by the thousands? It's not because of western involvement.

You see, leaving the middle east is not a solution. You are folly to believe that western involvement in the Middle East is the cause of the jihadist movements. Bin Laden and the likes do not/did not engage in terrorism to achieve specific and well defined goals, like driving peacekeepsrs out of a specific country. No. They're fighting against ideologies defferent than their own, a fight that they would only see over with the full extermination of the other groups. They hate everyone that is defferent than them, and they will not stop with the killings.

 

Why else would the Islamic State execute fellow muslims of a slightly different religious practice by the thousands? It's not because of western involvement.

OK OK. First off, AQ and IS have the same goals with 2 major differences:

1. Their belief in who is the rightful Caliph.

2. IS believes "purifying" Islamic society should be the first priority. This is why they kill Muslims.

 

In the end, the Salafi/Wahhabi movement is entirely about western interventionism. The entire idea is to recreate the Caliphate which the west conquered, divided and then exploited for decades. It wouldn't exist if we didn't dismantle the Ottoman Empire to fuel our industrialization.

Very sad event that unfolded. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.

 

So I've been reading some articles and their is a rather inconsistent report regarding the weaponry used. One article (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/paris-terror-attack-what-we-know-so-far) metioned the attackers used 'pump-action Kalashnikovs'. What the heck is a pump action Kalashnikov? The'yre Saiga and Vepyr semi auto shotguns, but by no means dothese firearms even resemble the an AK-47/AKM/Ak-74. Other articles I've read just say Kalashnikovs or Kalashnikov submachine guns (Aks-74U perhaps?)

 

A video has currently surfaced showing 2 attackers. One of them is carrying what looks like a short barrelled AK with grey/white handguards and a folding stock. The other black AK looks like an AK-74, as it has a unique muzzlebrake, and it may have an underfolding stock. Footage isn't the best quality but its crazy to think someone risked their life to film it.

(http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jan/07/shooting-paris-satirical-magazine-charlie-hebdo)

 

Makes you wonder how these firearms ended up in France.

I'm afraid people are getting numb to this. This is an outrage, and it has to end. It's getting to where everyone just expects it to happen and shrugs it off as "well it was only 12"... "at least no one lost their head"... "it was them, and not us".

 

Muslims are migrating. More into Europe than anywhere else, and they intend to take over. My position became clear on 9/11 when I saw my city of Las Vegas in a single day... vacated. Empty. As in ghost town. The largest tourist city in the world changed over night.

 

There are two kinds of Muslims. The ones that hate you, and the ones that want to kill you.

Declare worldwide, Islam is a form of government and treat it as such. Until we take this dead serious, we will have more deaths.

Very sad event that unfolded. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.

 

So I've been reading some articles and their is a rather inconsistent report regarding the weaponry used. One article (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/paris-terror-attack-what-we-know-so-far) metioned the attackers used 'pump-action Kalashnikovs'. What the heck is a pump action Kalashnikov? The'yre Saiga and Vepyr semi auto shotguns, but by no means dothese firearms even resemble the an AK-47/AKM/Ak-74. Other articles I've read just say Kalashnikovs or Kalashnikov submachine guns (Aks-74U perhaps?)

 

A video has currently surfaced showing 2 attackers. One of them is carrying what looks like a short barrelled AK with grey/white handguards and a folding stock. The other black AK looks like an AK-74, as it has a unique muzzlebrake, and it may have an underfolding stock. Footage isn't the best quality but its crazy to think someone risked their life to film it.

(http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jan/07/shooting-paris-satirical-magazine-charlie-hebdo)

 

Makes you wonder how these firearms ended up in France.

Reporters always suck at identifying weapons. I also face palmed when I read "Kalashnikov Sub machine guns." Whatever the hell that is. (AK-74U is a Carbine).

 

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I'm afraid people are getting numb to this. This is an outrage, and it has to end. It's getting to where everyone just expects it to happen and shrugs it off as "well it was only 12"... "at least no one lost their head"... "it was them, and not us".

 

Muslims are migrating. More into Europe than anywhere else, and they intend to take over. My position became clear on 9/11 when I saw my city of Las Vegas in a single day... vacated. Empty. As in ghost town. The largest tourist city in the world changed over night.

 

There are two kinds of Muslims. The ones that hate you, and the ones that want to kill you.

Declare worldwide, Islam is a form of government and treat it as such. Until we take this dead serious, we will have more deaths.

In which category of Muslim do I fall, do tell.

I can't answer that question. Do you hate us? or do you want to kill us?

Probably in the same category as the two muslims that live around me.

Do they ever talk to me?... No

Do they look at me like I'm a piece of shit in my own country?... Yes

 

My wife got to know one of the girlfriends. He wanted this girlfriend to convert and she was just in it for the money. Having drinks was a crime and no way was it to be known that she was drinking with my wife. None the less, she is no longer the girlfriend and she moved on to a much happier relationship. But Mr. Muslim is still there, and we are infidels. End of story, but I do have a loaded Beretta should he ever want to visit us with a big knife.

After seeing what the Prophet Mohammad 's  followers do to people , I have come to the conclusion that he is not the kind of god that I want . I will stick to the GOD that I have.

 

It used to be that those that died for freedom, died on the battlefield. It seems the battlefield has been brought to them. These French victims are no different. God rest their souls. Let us honor them in the name of freedom. 

 

3T

 

Prophet wasnt a god nor claimed to be one, you need a lesson in history boy.

 

Since you are all here generalising.

 

Bush waged war on Iraq on false premise, then claimed it was a crusade and then said he was guided by God..entire country ruined, thousands upon thousands, that destruction has no equivalent to any violent act in modern history. There you go, religious war, let's talk about Ideologies, you waged war on Vietnam on ideological basis, again it based on a fabricated CB, entire country burned, maimed, thousands if not millions dead. You have audacity to preach freedom to rest of the world? Want to talk about countless ruthless dictators you installed in middle east and South America? How many killed? Do you want to know? Why don't you Google and share the links with us. A nation living under apartheid is sanctioned because it applies to International Criminal court, what justice do you speak of? Each and every netizen spied upon, where is the so called personal liberty you impose through B-52s?  Ousting a democratically elected Iranian government so you can leech cheap oil, where is the democracy you preach from ivory tower? Shell paid over billion in oil spills in gulf of mexico...they paid what..85 million for spills in Africa...what justice? Do you want to talk about colonialism? The greatest instrument of mass exploitation in modern history? Then you come here and claim you're winged angels descended from heavens who have done no wrong? LOL. Oh, the icing on the cake is all these jihadists were propped up by CIA to fight Soviet Union, did you forget that already..it's just 20-30 year old history. 

 

What do you know about terrorism that you and Lys dare bundle me with the lunatics and mass murderers in AQ and IS? You see it on TV and light some candles? I fucking had 3 near misses with my life with 3 terrorist attacks, we've lost over 50,000 people in war against terror, I've seen the destruction first hand and I am lucky to be alive, dont lecture me boy with your selective copy paste context-less pseudo-history. Do you even know what's the system on Hadith, of the link you shared? Do you know how the system of chain verification works? I mean you dont even know the Prophet never claimed to be god, I doubt you know how that system even works, you and I arent even qualified to verify it's authenticity, you'd have to have full knowledge of chains of narration, over 20,000, memorised, with mastry of ancient Arabic and decades of learning and qualification, those are the requirements to preach. Tho, I'll give you that every unedecuated tom dick and harry on every corner is now preaching and spreading anarchy in our society and all kinds of stuff gets online and people take it for granted, there is a system in place, but due to poor governance in much of the developing  countries, that is not enforced, every tom dick and harry Mullah issues a fatwa now, I would'nt pee on these guys and they're the reason why there is this situation, so yes, that is entirely the internal weakness and poor governance on part of Muslim regimes, which are more often than not, corrupt, undemocratic, here for just minting money. 

 

I can't answer that question. Do you hate us? or do you want to kill us?

Probably in the same category as the two muslims that live around me.

Do they ever talk to me?... No

Do they look at me like I'm a piece of shit in my own country?... Yes

 

My wife got to know one of the girlfriends. He wanted this girlfriend to convert and she was just in it for the money. Having drinks was a crime and no way was it to be known that she was drinking with my wife. None the less, she is no longer the girlfriend and she moved on to a much happier relationship. But Mr. Muslim is still there, and we are infidels. End of story, but I do have a loaded Beretta should he ever want to visit us with a big knife.

Lys, I honestly expected you to be more reasonable. I dont want to kill you lol, nor I hate you or  your culture or the people. But if you're going to bundle me with rest of the freaks just because you want to with no basis whatsoever, then I'll be sure to remind you of the very peaceful  history and message of love, liberty and freedom that has been spread around the world via B-52s and covert overthrow of governments.

 

I've seen destruction caused by these freaks first hand, I am vehemently against them, so if you're going to bundle me with them, I'm gonna rant back. Your singular example is just your singular example. I can give you countless examples very opposite of your experience. There are countless muslims paying tax and are law abiding citizens. If you have problem with illegal immigrants, that is a fair point, but illigal immigrants involved in unlawful activities arent just muslims. There should definitely be a more stringent process on who gets in and out of any nation's borders and how the melt with rest of the society and as you gave example of one guy not melting in and being a dick, sure, IMO this kind of behavior needs to be screened before they get in. Most of the western education system is filled with non-natives, they're paying 2x+ the fee to fund the whole system, goto any of the top tier uni, you'll find plenty of non-natives, from MBAs to R&D. 

 

 

Ofc you have right to use the baretta if anyone intends to harm you. 

 

Whenever you visit Dubai, do let me know, I'll take you out for booze and boobs, if that's ok with your wife (second part)  . You'll pay for your own drinks and entertainment tho , However I'll make some nice spicy tandoori chicken for you and your better other and I'll taste it first myself so you know it isnt poisoned, lol. Dont be ridiculous man, my invitation is open and serious, to any IRONer or CNer :-). One PM away, you know, in our culture, guests are protected and taken care to the hilt. 

 

These barbarians are made of the same elements that butchered 130+ kids in Peshawar few days ago, I hope they're all caught and hanged, their supporters punished to the letter of the law and their apologists singled out, highlighted, ridiculed and put behind bars, I'm right there with you bro on this, you should have no doubt on that.

 

World's a shit place unfortunately, there are flaws you can point about me and I can do the same, but those flaws do not apply to everyone, nor does one narrative tell the entire truth.

Edited January 7, 201511 yr by Shahenshah

Lys: Don't make statements like this:
 

There are two kinds of Muslims. The ones that hate you, and the ones that want to kill you.

 

You see, leaving the middle east is not a solution. You are folly to believe that western involvement in the Middle East is the cause of the jihadist movements. Bin Laden and the likes do not/did not engage in terrorism to achieve specific and well defined goals, like driving peacekeepsrs out of a specific country. No. They're fighting against ideologies defferent than their own, a fight that they would only see over with the full extermination of the other groups. They hate everyone that is defferent than them, and they will not stop with the killings.

 

Why else would the Islamic State execute fellow muslims of a slightly different religious practice by the thousands? It's not because of western involvement.

OK OK. First off, AQ and IS have the same goals with 2 major differences:

1. Their belief in who is the rightful Caliph.

2. IS believes "purifying" Islamic society should be the first priority. This is why they kill Muslims.

 

In the end, the Salafi/Wahhabi movement is entirely about western interventionism. The entire idea is to recreate the Caliphate which the west conquered, divided and then exploited for decades. It wouldn't exist if we didn't dismantle the Ottoman Empire to fuel our industrialization.

 

 

Minute difference. The end-goal for both organizations is to end everyone else who thinks differently. Leaving the Middle East wouldn't solve a damn thing, when the minimum the IS wants is this:

 

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wo3TlGAY--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/792638422386215497.jpg

 

I agree with you on why Islam has is the most problems out of all the AWFUL Abrahamic religions (personal aspect: I belive Atheists are considered to be lowlier than murderers, rapists, or even animals by even moderate Islam - so that is where we start by default), except for the caliphate part. There never was a caliphate throughout history (maybe except for the very first centuries of the religion) that was even acknowledged by the majority of Muslims. By the time the Ottoman Empire was dissolved, the situation was already FUBAR.

Very sad event that unfolded. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.

 

So I've been reading some articles and their is a rather inconsistent report regarding the weaponry used. One article (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/paris-terror-attack-what-we-know-so-far) metioned the attackers used 'pump-action Kalashnikovs'. What the heck is a pump action Kalashnikov? The'yre Saiga and Vepyr semi auto shotguns, but by no means dothese firearms even resemble the an AK-47/AKM/Ak-74. Other articles I've read just say Kalashnikovs or Kalashnikov submachine guns (Aks-74U perhaps?)

 

A video has currently surfaced showing 2 attackers. One of them is carrying what looks like a short barrelled AK with grey/white handguards and a folding stock. The other black AK looks like an AK-74, as it has a unique muzzlebrake, and it may have an underfolding stock. Footage isn't the best quality but its crazy to think someone risked their life to film it.

(http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jan/07/shooting-paris-satirical-magazine-charlie-hebdo)

 

Makes you wonder how these firearms ended up in France.

 

Balkan war. The amount of weapons in circulation is quite high.