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And again, I totally understand the reasoning. I am just bemused at the apparent inconsistancy as the 2nd only mentions "arms". Besides the "primary reason" would nudge me into thinking handguns are more appropiate as less hassle/training is required to get meaningfull results (I am not saying handguns are more usefull in a fully trained scenario). Let me state it the other way around, why would the reasoning behind 21y restriction on handguns not apply to other guns? Which comes down to the next question, is the Constitution robust enough to support a 18 over 21 decision. Actually handguns are just as difficult to use as long guns. They are meant for short range, so aside from shooting someone at point blank range, which would be just as easy as doing so with a rifle, they still require just as much practice. The major difference between a handgun and long gun is that handguns are easy to conceal, thus assassination/murder is generally much easier with a handgun. You just have to get close enough. Which is why it's the preferred murder weapon in the US. You would actually get much better results out of a long gun, especially in an actual combat situation. They just aren't as easy to hide. As for the constitution, it does say "will not be infringed". This is certainly infringing. On the other hand it says "to keep and bear", not "to purchase". Which is why it will likely hold. In any case, just want to express my outrage one more time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0-AMuxAu10 Why does Florida have to be so damn stupid? I mean, Florida man is a literal meme now. Pls stop being do dumb Florida.

They would actually be the third state to do so, I believe. The fact that it's 21 to "purchase" a gun and not "own" one is a major reason why it will probably hold and everyone will just allow the government keep slowly chipping away. If this isn't infringement, IDK what is. As the sister of a vet who was sent to war before 21, I find it utterly insulting. If this does hold, we're starting to face a pretty slippery slope. That is why I said this: That and Trump has always been a wildcard, heck he swayed so much on this one topic already he puts palmtree's to shame... And I already explained. Handguns account for the vast majority of firearms murders and at the same time, handguns will be of little use for the primary reason of the 2nd. Access to long guns > Access to handguns

So I was just looking through the news... And saw that Florida just raised the age limit to purchase firearms.... And Trump supports this. This is unacceptable. We cannot allow this unconstitutional idiocy to keep spreading. To the guillotine with these criminal politicians!

Now this just screams inconsistancy, what was even the reasoning to make handguns 21? They account for the vast majority of murders because you can easily hide them. Rifles are good enough until people have become more mature as adults.

We shouldn't raise the age to own a gun. At 18 you should have the right to make all your own adult decisions. Including buying a gun, voting, screwing whoever you want and even drinking. The 21 year age limit for owning a handgun I suppose I can agree with.

Anything you'd suggest or need help with? Hey, I can make art again! Check your old graphics request. *Shrugs* I have a new, actual PC now. Someone has to do art since yur too lazy. (Even though that part of the forum looks dry as a bone) I haven't done art for years now. I got tired of doing a shit load of it for free (not just IRON) and when I asked for some form of payment the person almost had a heart attack and said "But you always do it for free. I wasn't expecting to pay anything." LOL. I think like 99% of my art (photoshop or otherwise) was done for free. But IDC. I do it for fun and can always turn people down. I learned after high school that trying to compete in the art world is virtually impossible when your competition is like half the human population. Wish I would have known that before wasting money to pursue a completely useless degree. "It's hard out here for a pimp".

1. For protection and home defense, be it against criminals, foreign invaders or a tyrannical government. 2. Entertainment and interest. I've always been fascinated with the mechanics and physics of guns. So simple, yet so complex. Like sports, they are fun to shoot and challenge yourself with. 3. Hunting. Some meats are a commodity and can't be bought in stores. Said meats are also far better tasting than domesticated, fatty processed animals.

Anything you'd suggest or need help with? Hey, I can make art again! Check your old graphics request. *Shrugs* I have a new, actual PC now. Someone has to do art since yur too lazy. (Even though that part of the forum looks dry as a bone)

A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States between 2000 and 2013 is the FBI study. I'll have to hunt for the others, but that's also the more recent one i know of. You can agree, but it doesn't make you not wrong. While im disinclined to say so entries should never be done, there is a reason many PDs explicitly forbid it as a option in cases. I'm not spouting hypotheticals, thisbis a well studied topic. Whay he did is litteraly what cops are trained to do in many places. The places that do train for solo entry, and not many provide adequate training( seriously three day course with minimal training) o, do so because the nearest backup maybe 30 minutes away. Even then it's not considered a good option. And usually the officers have better equipment avallibe than a service pistol and a blue shirt. 30% chance of being shot per a 200 to 2010 study. 46% of being a casualty per the FBI. And that's all active scene solo entries, which wiill include a large number of best case scenario for a solo entry Wich this most definitely was not. That sort of danger is never what someone is expected to confront. Those who chose to do so tend to end up heavily commended for courage and action far above any call of duty. Often posthumously. This is no more what a police officer is expected to do than it is for your hypothetical fire fighter to run into that building with a fire extinguisher and some safety squints for protection. JFC the military wouldnt expect that out of a solider, explicitly trained to deal with that kind of shit. You think it's something to be routinly expected of a glorified hall moniter old enough to be a grandfather? Calling the dude a coward is a vile and crass attempt to foist the blame for this onto him; for doing exactly what s expected of police officers all around the country. Its an attempt to make what happened his fault and pretend that it only happened because of him. It is absolutely disgusting. Because the officers life is more important than those of our kids.... You say this isn't what's expected of a police officer except even the local sheriff agrees with me here, as does the superintendent and the students. The school staff decided to sacrifice their lives to protect students, but not the officer. Is that expected of them? No, it's not. But they weren't cowards. He should have gone in and confronted the killer. Armed officers are in schools for this exact reason. They don't carry guns to break up fights in the hallway. They carry guns to protect students from psychos with guns. You say this isn't what's expected of a police officer except even the local sheriff agrees with me here, as does the superintendent and the students. Really, the students? gonna need to source that. The students and their families and the teachers have criticized the shit out of the PD for utterly failing to respond or take action on the initial information *before* the shooting. But on this guy? Very few people have said anything about him. well know, there is this: Feel free to google the quote yourself and pick a source you like. People who are criticizing him? Media talking heads with an axe to grind, folks like the sheriff playing a game of CYA, politicians with an axe to grind... Hey on the topic of criticism, know who aren't being lambasted in the media? The other three officers who showed up....and did exactly the same thing. What you want and seem to expect is for a random sheriff's deputy to have IARD training or something equivalent. Which can be done. but IARD requires that the officers be equipped in a way that makes them effective (ie, rifle or carbine and body armor), it requires continual training (which PDs rarely provide), and requires a massive overhaul of fire arms training and practice from the usual PD standards (Shot accountability is a BFD when shooting in a crowded environment). four officers from the BSO, none of them equipped with ballistic protection or a patrol rifle, none of whom enter the building. Oh and this is after two other officers completely fail to take any worthwhile action despite more than enough information and credible reason to do so. Do ya really think that's reflective of a PD that trains and equips for that? If that's the standard you wana have? Fine. But you are in for one hell of a surprise if you think the shit show that is the average PD manages to do that effectively right now. Three day course, max,; often two days with only one day of physical training, not continuing training, no performance standards and they maybe get a refresher every 5 years. Many don't do it. other's might want to do it, but don't get the funding. and a few get the funding and then quietly misappropriate the cash . If you think broward county does it in the light if a half dozen different officers failing to take appropriate action by that standard...I've a bit of waterfront property in Brooklyn to sell ya, real easy to get to Manhattan from there. There's a reason Scott Isreal is being so very shocked and appalled at everything. Oh as for the superintendent: yea this was made worse by the utter shitshow that was the school distircts active shooter response training. It was not only not proper by all indications, but was flawed sufficiently that the bastard actually exploited it in order to kill more people. Dude's looking to spread the manure around cause he's gonna have a lot of it dumped on him soon. Look dude, it's really simple. Children are being slaughtered by a gunman. You are the only other person with a gun. What do you do? I know what I'd do. Screw the training, screw the overall PD, screw all the prior warning signs, that's all a completely different discussion. Relevant to the actions of the SRO himself: The fact is, unarmed teachers sacrificed themselves to protect those kids, but the one asshole with a gun chose to hide. If that doesn't seem wrong, if that doesn't seem like cowardice to you, then IDK what would.

You can agree, but it doesn't make you not wrong. While im disinclined to say so entries should never be done, there is a reason many PDs explicitly forbid it as a option in cases. I'm not spouting hypotheticals, thisbis a well studied topic. Whay he did is litteraly what cops are trained to do in many places. The places that do train for solo entry, and not many provide adequate training( seriously three day course with minimal training) o, do so because the nearest backup maybe 30 minutes away. Even then it's not considered a good option. And usually the officers have better equipment avallibe than a service pistol and a blue shirt. 30% chance of being shot per a 200 to 2010 study. 46% of being a casualty per the FBI. And that's all active scene solo entries, which wiill include a large number of best case scenario for a solo entry Wich this most definitely was not. That sort of danger is never what someone is expected to confront. Those who chose to do so tend to end up heavily commended for courage and action far above any call of duty. Often posthumously. This is no more what a police officer is expected to do than it is for your hypothetical fire fighter to run into that building with a fire extinguisher and some safety squints for protection. JFC the military wouldnt expect that out of a solider, explicitly trained to deal with that kind of shit. You think it's something to be routinly expected of a glorified hall moniter old enough to be a grandfather? Calling the dude a coward is a vile and crass attempt to foist the blame for this onto him; for doing exactly what s expected of police officers all around the country. Its an attempt to make what happened his fault and pretend that it only happened because of him. It is absolutely disgusting. Because the officers life is more important than those of our kids.... You say this isn't what's expected of a police officer except even the local sheriff agrees with me here, as does the superintendent and the students. The school staff decided to sacrifice their lives to protect students, but not the officer. Is that expected of them? No, it's not. But they weren't cowards. He should have gone in and confronted the killer. Armed officers are in schools for this exact reason. They don't carry guns to break up fights in the hallway. They carry guns to protect students from psychos with guns.

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I'm not sure how I would turn this into a sig. IRON has been part of almost every major war. Many of which I don't even know.

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So I'm curious. Was thinking of coming back, but I logged in and saw we're down to 3,894 nations. I've never been this high in world ranking before (and didn't have to do anything to get there). As boring as CN has gotten and as much as I hate whats left of politics these days, I miss you guys. So whats new on Bob since I've been gone? Who we at war with? I heard GPA. Is Oculus still a thing? Is the game still breathing? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? I have a new PC and more free time (for now). I can once again make art. Hey Lys, I decided I'm not a socialist anymore. We probably agree on more things than we used to. Hey Robert, hit me up on Discord sometime.

That's literally part of his job. Why do you think he has a gun? Not only is he the only other person with a gun, he has training with that gun. Not only is his job to protect civilian lives, but anyone who refuses to do anything to save lives when they know they can do something is a coward. If he didn't want to risk his life he should have chose a different job. I don't think I'm being a prick. I think I'm being perfectly reasonable. In this situation he had a choice. Try to save lives and come out a hero, or wait for back up and resign. He waited for back up and resigned. Anyone who would attack a school with an AR-15 and kill 14 kids and 3 teachers is a shit stained coward. This "Deputy" was bested by a 19 year old shit stained coward. He had the training, and a responsibility to take action. Even the Sheriff said he "should have went in, addressed the killer, and kill the killer". He had to resign, because no one would ever respect him. We've not even begun to get large. The sheriff is a fuckhead who's PD's response pissed over fucking everything in a dozen different ways and is going out of his way to deflect blame. If you think a School resources officer, who's main job is to hrumph at teenagers and make noises about how serious fighting in the halls is, is in anyway equipped or trained to deal with that shit your absolutely delusional. At best he took a three day course at some point in the past 20 years. Maybe. While some PDs give the responding officer the ability to conduct a solo entry if they feel it should be done, fucking no on requires it. And the ones that allow it mostly do so because they're small PDs in the middle of bugfuck nowhere and it might be half an hour before backup gets there. Set up a perimeter, gather and relay information, wait for other responding officers to arrive so you can get together a contact team for entry is exactly what should be done, and is exactly what he did. Something like 1/3 of all officers who do a solo entry into an active event like this end up shot. Half of the time, they fail to accomplish anything. 25% of the time the shooter commits suicide. If you're to lazy to do the math, that means in the average case with a persistent shooter who doens't off themselves, it's a coin filp on if they get shot or accomplish something. Except in the average case the shooter is armed with a pistol, not a rifle, which kinda tilts the odds more. Seriously, the fact you're sitting here wanking yourself off over this is just fucking vile. A coin toss is better than standing there with your dick in your hand while innocent children are being slaughtered. Who cares if the shooter offs himself? That would just solve the problem. If I was the only other person with a gun in that situation there is no way I in hell I wouldn't take advantage of that to save people. I couldn't possibly sit around and let children be gunned down. I would never forgive myself. I would rather die trying to save lives than live knowing I could have and didn't. Especially if there is a literal social responsibility on me to do so. You can call that vile. I think his inaction is vile. You can think I'm asking too much of a police officer, but many other police officers have done much braver things because they know that in some situations, you can't just sit around waiting for backup. A few seconds is a long time when people are getting shot at. (EDIT: That being said, we can agree to disagree. I don't think any less of anyone for their opinions here. I all you guys. Me and Lys have had some pretty heated debates with insults n all. But it's nothing personal. Just a heated exchange. There have certainly been worse things spoken here).

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See this is a problem. We have armed officers at schools for a reason. At least the coward resigned.

It is a conservative research center, having worked for one myself I'm sure it has bias, but even with bias statistics, it still shows that the US is not the only place this happens. Originally I was just going to compile a huge list of European mass shootings but got lazy. I think terrorist acts of mass shootings and other general mass shootings are equally comparable in this case and should both be included. We've had numerous shootings that were or may (we don't know) be based on terrorism. Either way, both are related to the issue of gun control. By ban guns I mean ban certain type of guns or ban them all together. Yes, places do do that. Idaho has a high gun death rate at 14.7 deaths per 100,000 people, but a homicide rate of only 2.0 per 100,000 people. Less than half the national average. (2015) San Diegos homicide rate (smaller population than Idaho) was 2.7 per 100,000 people. (2015) Also, Russias homicide rate is about twice as high as the US, despite having far more gun restrictions. You said yourself, the problem isn't guns, it's America. You're comparing apples to oranges here. On the issue of guns there are no laws to be repealed, only laws to be implemented. Also, cars actually kill far more people than guns. Drunk driving accounts for nearly 1/3 of all vehicle related deaths in the US and the rate of drunk driving deaths is very comparable if not almost identical to firearms related deaths in any given year.

Screw that! They are the only other person with a gun. They should be running towards the gun fire, not hiding behind their desks waiting for backup. Otherwise, why the fuck are they even there to begin with? I beg to differ. I mean it's not going to stop something too big, but I've brought down deer with my .223. Aside from that, AR-15s come in numerous different rounds. Though I would never use one for hunting just because semi-auto and large mag seems like unfair overkill for most hunting. That is why I let my NRA membership expire years ago. Sadly, its mostly become all about marketing, building up hype, and getting donations. Seeing the NRA cave on certain issues, or hear them talk about doing something in a specific state and then doing absolutely nothing, really convinced me it was time to move on. Come to think of it, I don't really get why the NRA gets so much hate from Liberals. Because if you take a look at history, thanks to NRA support in one way or another, we have: 1934 National Firearms Act (NRA was all for this) 1968 Gun Control Act (NRA endorsed it in exchange for some provisions) 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act (The NRA helped write the Bill) 2017 NRA requested the ATF reevaluate the bumpstock ruling Those are all things on the Federal level, get down to the State level and it becomes even more apparent the NRA doesn't do much to enforce individual rights, except when it can be used as positive outcomes for the NRA. To an extent I still feel the NRA does some good. The Eddie Eagle Program, offering training to those who want to learn safe shooting fundamentals, and helping to preserve historic/museum grade firearms. But apart from that I don't have much love for the NRA. I've found GOA (Gun Owners of America), to be one of the few firearm organizations that actually seems to care about the right's of the individual. I do like their attitude of "Not one inch." No caving, no carve outs, no sell outs. All of which the NRA has been guilty of many times. I've never been an NRA member and never found them appealing. It is ironic how they are so hated by liberals despite their lobbying for gun control. The whole bump stock debate in particular was interesting to watch people ignore the NRAs opinion on. We already know from statistics that stricter gun regulations and bans do not reduce gun violence. The fact that areas with the highest gun control have the highest rates of gun violence is quite evident. And why are you so obsessed with mass shootings? Again, that is an almost irrelevant fraction of American gun violence. No it is not. That doesn't mean it can't be used for entertainment. Oh for sure! This doesn't happen anywhere else! Stop gobbling up and regurgitating the medias lies. Europe is comparatively just as bad if not worse.