Former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, has been shot dead in Moscow.

 

An unidentified attacker in a car shot Mr Nemtsov four times in the back as he crossed a bridge in view of the Kremlin, police say.

He died hours after appealing for support for a march on Sunday in Moscow against the war in Ukraine.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has condemned the murder.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov

 

 

My tinfoil hat is sadly not ready for this. All I can say is that i'm certain that Mr.Putin isn't going to have sleepless nights over this.

What's new? Russia has been doing this for years.

huh... i thought they like poison more

huh... i thought they like poison more

 

No need to be subtle anymore

Putin critic gunned down right in front of the Kremlin. OMG who would have done such a thing?

Good old Russia. :V

Who needs politics when you have a gun

They look at anything that isn't fully them as corruption and they hate corruption. This isn't surprising. Idk though, there could be worse people in power in Russia. Who are trying to get into power. 

Yep, for them it never gets old. 

So, Putin went on record saying it must have been "outsiders intending to destabilize the country" and that the assassins had "sacrificed" an ally for that purpose. That's Tywin level propaganda right there.

So, Putin went on record saying it must have been "outsiders intending to destabilize the country" and that the assassins had "sacrificed" an ally for that purpose. That's Tywin level propaganda right there.

BEWARE OF THE TYWIN PROPAGANDA!!!!!

OMG! That's it! You nailed it! Tywin is Vlad Putin in RL!

So, Putin went on record saying it must have been "outsiders intending to destabilize the country" and that the assassins had "sacrificed" an ally for that purpose. That's Tywin level propaganda right there.

 

The sad thing is, the idiot Russians believe it.

 

So, Putin went on record saying it must have been "outsiders intending to destabilize the country" and that the assassins had "sacrificed" an ally for that purpose. That's Tywin level propaganda right there.

 

The sad thing is, the idiot Russians believe it.

 

What is there not to believe? They get propaganda shoved down their throat. Even if Putin is involved, do you really think any Russia would be dumb enough to accuse him of being involved?

  

I'd rather be an idiot than a dead man.

Edited March 1, 201511 yr by Lanyaie

Russia in its current state is friendly then the hundred gangs that want take it over.

Russia in its current state is friendly then the hundred gangs that want take it over.

apart from the current gang thats running the place no? >_>

 

 

So, Putin went on record saying it must have been "outsiders intending to destabilize the country" and that the assassins had "sacrificed" an ally for that purpose. That's Tywin level propaganda right there.

 

The sad thing is, the idiot Russians believe it.

 

What is there not to believe? They get propaganda shoved down their throat. Even if Putin is involved, do you really think any Russia would be dumb enough to accuse him of being involved?

  

I'd rather be an idiot than a dead man.

 

Yes, everyone else been sitting on the beacon of truths and there's no propaganda.  

You can flip the situation around and probably some Russians could've said the same about you. 

 

Russia isnt the only place in the world where a an opposition leader gets shot, like 1 guy every 3-4 years or something, but Russia is the one singled out the most. That's propaganda right there. There's a long list of 'allies' having far worst track record that Putin can ever hope to achieve.

Those countries aren't sitting on the world's largest stockpile of nuclear weapons though

 

Russia in its current state is friendly then the hundred gangs that want take it over.

apart from the current gang thats running the place no? >_>

 

I never said I liked the current ones. But there are worse possibilitys. 

 

 

Russia in its current state is friendly then the hundred gangs that want take it over.

apart from the current gang thats running the place no? >_>

 

I never said I liked the current ones. But there are worse possibilitys. 

 

sure, but I wouldn't call the current situation as "friendly"

Those countries aren't sitting on the world's largest stockpile of nuclear weapons though

And what does that has to do with this? When has Russia attacked any country with a nuke? Nukes are for deterrence. They are also the most effective deterrent when someone bigger than you is out to screw you. Look at the North Koreans, arguably the worst regime on Earth before ISIS showed up. The tyrant sits happy on the throne knowing there will be no overt external military intervention.

 

The politician in question was marginal at best, served one of the most corrupt regimes of its time and never really made a come back after several attempts. Putin and his friends are probably corrupt, the rich have gotten richer (like everywhere else) but so have the Russian people been much better off economically then they were under previous Russian regimes.

 

This IMO is an attempt to engineer unrest. If Putin was involved, there would probably would have been no CCTV footage, no dashcam footages nor the Ukrainian girlfriend around for the whole scene. This isn't a KGB or CIA quality job, its quite poor. Putin is sitting on peak popularity ratings, he doesn't needs this drama when his opponents are being sidelined perfectly well by the public anyway. The bottom line is, this does not benefit Putin, he does not do shit that doesn't benefit him. Think whatever of Putin, but he's not dumb and stupid, arguably the smartest guy in room when all the world leaders sit on a table.

Edited March 5, 201511 yr by Shahenshah

I'm with Shah on this one. Besides, every country does it. Including the United States. I still don't think this was done by the Kremlin.

And what does that has to do with this? When has Russia attacked any country with a nuke? Nukes are for deterrence. They are also the most effective deterrent when someone bigger than you is out to screw you. Look at the North Koreans, arguably the worst regime on Earth before ISIS showed up. The tyrant sits happy on the throne knowing there will be no overt external military intervention.

So far, the Russians have used nukes only for deterrence. That's precisely the point, it can deter from adequate response to Russian aggression in Georgia and Ukraine. Of course they can do this relatively easy, Georgia and Ukraine are unaligned. But Russia has been following the same script for a while now, which is to agitate Russian minorities in country X, spark unrest, then intervene militarily and go for a nice landgrab. But then there are NATO countries with significant Russian minorities like the Baltic states and Poland. The question is, when will the Russians feel brave enough to try the same shit there, and how far NATO is willing to go to protect these states in the face of Russian nuclear "deterrance". This threat might not be very real or concerning to you, but as a resident of a country that has been under Soviet occupation from 1945-1989, and where the far-right party (current ranked the second most popular) is openly financed by the Russians, it's hard for me to take a laid-back attitude.

The politician in question was marginal at best, served one of the most corrupt regimes of its time and never really made a come back after several attempts. Putin and his friends are probably corrupt, the rich have gotten richer (like everywhere else) but so have the Russian people been much better off economically then they were under previous Russian regimes.

 

This IMO is an attempt to engineer unrest. If Putin was involved, there would probably would have been no CCTV footage, no dashcam footages nor the Ukrainian girlfriend around for the whole scene. This isn't a KGB or CIA quality job, its quite poor. Putin is sitting on peak popularity ratings, he doesn't needs this drama when his opponents are being sidelined perfectly well by the public anyway. The bottom line is, this does not benefit Putin, he does not do shit that doesn't benefit him. Think whatever of Putin, but he's not dumb and stupid, arguably the smartest guy in room when all the world leaders sit on a table.

Truth is, there's been an ongoing string of murders against Russian polititians and journalists who have been critical with Putin ever since he came to power. Of course, he might not be responsible for each and ever one of those, but it's increasingly hard to give the benefit of doubt. The quality of the job also means very little, what matters is that the job was done. One can just as easily say that it was staged that way PRECISELY because we'd think secret services were more professional than that. Much easier to blame it on some mafiosos that way, wouldn't surprise me if they found the "killers" in a couple of months, wrapping up the case for good.

Edited March 5, 201511 yr by ccabal86

 

And what does that has to do with this? When has Russia attacked any country with a nuke? Nukes are for deterrence. They are also the most effective deterrent when someone bigger than you is out to screw you. Look at the North Koreans, arguably the worst regime on Earth before ISIS showed up. The tyrant sits happy on the throne knowing there will be no overt external military intervention.

So far, the Russians have used nukes only for deterrence. That's precisely the point, it can deter from adequate response to Russian aggression in Georgia and Ukraine. Of course they can do this relatively easy, Georgia and Ukraine are unaligned. But Russia has been following the same script for a while now, which is to agitate Russian minorities in country X, spark unrest, then intervene militarily and go for a nice landgrab. But then there are NATO countries with significant Russian minorities like the Baltic states and Poland. The question is, when will the Russians feel brave enough to try the same shit there, and how far NATO is willing to go to protect these states in the face of Russian nuclear "deterrance". This threat might not be very real or concerning to you, but as a resident of a country that has been under Soviet occupation from 1945-1989, and where the far-right party (current ranked the second most popular) is openly financed by the Russians, it's hard for me to take a laid-back attitude.

The politician in question was marginal at best, served one of the most corrupt regimes of its time and never really made a come back after several attempts. Putin and his friends are probably corrupt, the rich have gotten richer (like everywhere else) but so have the Russian people been much better off economically then they were under previous Russian regimes.

 

This IMO is an attempt to engineer unrest. If Putin was involved, there would probably would have been no CCTV footage, no dashcam footages nor the Ukrainian girlfriend around for the whole scene. This isn't a KGB or CIA quality job, its quite poor. Putin is sitting on peak popularity ratings, he doesn't needs this drama when his opponents are being sidelined perfectly well by the public anyway. The bottom line is, this does not benefit Putin, he does not do shit that doesn't benefit him. Think whatever of Putin, but he's not dumb and stupid, arguably the smartest guy in room when all the world leaders sit on a table.

Truth is, there's been an ongoing string of murders against Russian polititians and journalists who have been critical with Putin ever since he came to power. Of course, he might not be responsible for each and ever one of those, but it's increasingly hard to give the benefit of doubt. The quality of the job also means very little, what matters is that the job was done. One can just as easily say that it was staged that way PRECISELY because we'd think secret services were more professional than that. Much easier to blame it on some mafiosos that way, wouldn't surprise me if they found the "killers" in a couple of months, wrapping up the case for good.

 

Sorry guys but I would have to side with CC on this. It honestly makes more sense.

When you put world leaders in one room, Putin certainly has shown he's the smartest. The man knows exactly what he's doing and how to get away with it, and as he has proved it's working quite well.