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[KevinH]

Nobody could "know" that I was scum.

Starting with 4 vigilantes and 3 scum made for an interesting setup but not conducive to typical play where a player is lynched and suspicion goes towards those that voted to lynch a townie.

Random vigilante shots without a plan and a guaranteed scum kill every night would have made it difficult for the town to win.

Nenos should have made his shot and the game should never reached the point where Rafay had to make a judgement between 2 players.

 

The flaw in the town's play was that my "random" assignment was not challenged.  I got to pick the time when when the stock prices were quoted.  If the arrangement at that time did not favor the scum, I would simply have picked another time.

[Commander Shepard]

I meant most probable, hence voting you and not Rafay.

The flaw in the town's play was that they were too inactive to care to challenge it seems and not caring about the way things were being done and the implications.

 

If they looked at the data (there's probably more scummy things to reflect on that you did);

1) You deciding who to kill based on supposedly random data

2) Your first plan being ordered weirdly and not based off the order of players from in-game list (default)

3) I wouldn't say the way the events unfolded points to you being scum but you would be the most suspicious so yeah

 

Whichever way you look at it's the town fault for the mafia winning in your scenario and how it actually happened. That same inactivity that allowed you to control the game also undermined your plan so it's a moot point. Assuming it was town inactivity according to some players. 

[Commander Shepard]

Actually no I can't forgive you Rafay.

Never has so much evidence pointed to Kevinh being the scum, you really can't blame other players of being inactive when you don't even look back at previous posts.

[Kaziocore]

Lyner figured out you're scum KevinH :V

[Road2Victory]

Well said Commander Shephard couldn't have said it any better myself. 

[KevinH]

1) You deciding who to kill based on supposedly random data

 

If it was random, that would be best for the town. 

 

2) Your first plan being ordered weirdly and not based off the order of players from in-game list (default)

 

Alphabetical is weird? (Which happened to put the 3 scum in a row!)
 

[Electric Mango]

It was definitely a fun game. It's always easy having 20/20 vision looking back, it's totally different calling that stuff out before hand. The only person to call Kevin out was Lyner. Every one else didn't have a clue.

Edited by Electric Mango, 27 November 2015 - 04:38 AM.

[Road2Victory]

Really? I suspected him in the beginning it was obvious that he was trying to be scum or mafia. Nobody believed me

[Kaziocore]

Alphabetical is weird? (Which happened to put the 3 scum in a row!)

What are the odds lol

[Commander Shepard]

1) You deciding who to kill based on supposedly random data

 

If it was random, that would be best for the town. 

 

2) Your first plan being ordered weirdly and not based off the order of players from in-game list (default)

 

Alphabetical is weird? (Which happened to put the 3 scum in a row!)
 

Yeah Alphabetical is weird considering the normal thing would be to use the list that already existed for the game. 

Perhaps you overlooked that but as soon as I saw this game started that's the list I would have worked off because every other list would be just as flawed, assuming Kaz didn't make it flawed on purpose for the town which was unlikely considering it's was a rare type of mafia game being played here. 

I have my arguments against random since every list was random in the sense the town didn't know how it would go.

[Kaziocore]

This is exactly the order I got lol

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ULcvfbuK3xIl_mi3Kf_D-ZpqZePYER_JZHnCGhsqmYk/

 

Electric Mango
iSocialism
KevinH
Road2Victory
Rafay
Lyner
Nenos the Great

[Commander Shepard]

Players (7/7)

• Lyner
• KevinH
• Road2Victory
• Electric Mango
• Rafay
• Nenos the Great
• iSocialism

 

That's the order I would have used since you had it in the first post. 

[Electric Mango]

Really? I suspected him in the beginning it was obvious that he was trying to be scum or mafia. Nobody believed me

It was obvious? Well if it was that obvious you did a very bad job letting everyone else know and cost the town the win. However, it's obvious that it was not obvious at all, obviously. I looked through all your posts and it was clear that you didn't know.

[Road2Victory]

Really? I suspected him in the beginning it was obvious that he was trying to be scum or mafia. Nobody believed me

It was obvious? Well if it was that obvious you did a very bad job letting everyone else know and cost the town the win. However, it's obvious that it was not obvious at all, obviously. I looked through all your posts and it was clear that you didn't know.

Forget it I won't afford to play with people like you. I'm done after with mafia after this game. Never coming back for sure.

Fuckers

[Commander Shepard]

Lol don't call them fuckers but yeah judging from posts it seems you had pretty good idea and Rafay as well on Day 1. 

The problem was there was no one to rally the town against bad plans and Kevinh obvious scummy tactics such as pointlessly attacking people against his flawed plans, excluding himself initially from getting shot and just his general attitude. Those points should have being analysed and expanded upon.

So suffice to say it is a crime kevinh wasn't lynched on Day 1, it might have being difficult since there was only 4 townies but even if kevinh was townie it's not like the town was that much more screwed. They were either going to win or lose with the plan after lynching kevinh and it wouldn't have being any different.

[Commander Shepard]

Play in the next game anyway, it's usually difficult to tell who is scum in the normal games so it won't have all this discussion afterwards. 

[Lyner]

Yep, next time we should really use vote when you do suspect someone, stating suspicion in words only make you look suspicious too

 

Then again scum can use this for bluffing

 

That's why mafia is a fun game, you need to know who is scum and you need to be able to convince people