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The Race for the Republican Nomination

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You should always vote for the biggest bad-ass.

 

Ben Carson is a super smart, super nice guy... and he would be chewed up, ignored, and bullied into a fetal position by Congress.

 

Kasich knows nothing about how Washington DC works today... it's a total different animal, and his way will never work now.

 

Barack Obama always did what was easy. He never wanted to even say hello to Congress... he just wanted to sign stuff and talk bad about the USA all over the world.

 

I think Rubio would do the same, except talk good about the USA all over the world.

 

Bernie Sanders would not get anywhere past inauguration. He has never been able to move anything, ever, no one in Congress will help him with any of his crazy ideas.

 

Cruz has the courage, but he doesn't have the means... it would be a constant fight with no victory.

 

Hillary Clinton? The only thing she has ever wanted is to make history as the first. Nobody trusts her with anything.

 

Trump is the only one that they are all afraid of. He doesn't owe anyone, anything. He will drag them to the table, and force them to do their job. If they refuse? He will go to every media source available, and destroy them all. They are terrified of Donald Trump.

 

The brokered convention scenario will not happen. If Trump has a commanding lead, and they take the nomination from him, the party will split apart and he will run Independent, and his support will go with him. They have to respect the choice of the people.

That's the thing. Everybody is afraid of Trump, even the media. The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/02/25/time-to-unite-against-trump/) is begging for everyone to get rid of Trump. The other.. Trump has not generally been in the political field, He can pull whatever surprise he wants, and nobody can attack, because he's Donald Trump.

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You should always vote for the biggest bad-ass.

 

Ben Carson is a super smart, super nice guy... and he would be chewed up, ignored, and bullied into a fetal position by Congress.

 

Kasich knows nothing about how Washington DC works today... it's a total different animal, and his way will never work now.

 

Barack Obama always did what was easy. He never wanted to even say hello to Congress... he just wanted to sign stuff and talk bad about the USA all over the world.

 

I think Rubio would do the same, except talk good about the USA all over the world.

 

Bernie Sanders would not get anywhere past inauguration. He has never been able to move anything, ever, no one in Congress will help him with any of his crazy ideas.

 

Cruz has the courage, but he doesn't have the means... it would be a constant fight with no victory.

 

Hillary Clinton? The only thing she has ever wanted is to make history as the first. Nobody trusts her with anything.

 

Trump is the only one that they are all afraid of. He doesn't owe anyone, anything. He will drag them to the table, and force them to do their job. If they refuse? He will go to every media source available, and destroy them all. They are terrified of Donald Trump.

 

The brokered convention scenario will not happen. If Trump has a commanding lead, and they take the nomination from him, the party will split apart and he will run Independent, and his support will go with him. They have to respect the choice of the people.

Trump doesn't have a commanding lead though. The split is close enough to where unless we get late swings we are heading into the rare enviroment where a brokered election scenario can go down. The polls are projecting a tight race and w/ three candidates performing so close with the cash reserves they have if no one gets a majority we automatically hit a brokered convention. Trump sucks because a) Congress would hate cooperating with Trump. The Speaker came out and expressed disdain for Trump. They may very well fear him but they  possess the power to restrain him. http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/27/mcconnell-tells-gop-senators-well-drop-trump-like-a-hot-rock/  b:The Islamaphobic comments aren't cool. I would have head out to the polls and sing I'm proud to be an american while I voted for Trump until he doubled down on a ban on muslim immigration. The comments he made about hispanics while they could easily be interpreted negatively are easily defensible in my mind because of the phrasing. 

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I completely agree with you Emu... But, "If" he has a commanding lead, but not enough to clinch, there will be trouble if they don't give it to him. He has a strong lead right now. After today, he will have a commanding lead. Anyone who wins 13 out of the first 15 states, will win the nomination. I'll be shocked if he doesn't win every state but Texas today. There is no reason to expect that suddenly he will start losing. The only way to beat Trump is for candidates to drop out, and pray to God that their supporters do not switch to Trump. I don't see that happening. That thing about all of Congress shutting down if Trump is elected? I would love to see them try. This is called hitting reset.

I completely agree with you Emu... But, "If" he has a commanding lead, but not enough to clinch, there will be trouble if they don't give it to him. He has a strong lead right now. After today, he will have a commanding lead. Anyone who wins 13 out of the first 15 states, will win the nomination. I'll be shocked if he doesn't win every state but Texas today. There is no reason to expect that suddenly he will start losing. The only way to beat Trump is for candidates to drop out, and pray to God that their supporters do not switch to Trump. I don't see that happening. That thing about all of Congress shutting down if Trump is elected? I would love to see them try. This is called hitting reset.

Well it all depends on what happens today... And on the whole congress thing: I am not saying they will shutdown, or stop doing crap what I am saying is that Trump is going to have a hard time in the PC game. Co-Op will still happen but it is greatly diminished because of the fights he is having w/ other republicans. A trump presidency fractures the legislative process among republicans. Perhaps they still pull the trigger on conservative policies but its going to be a bit harder than it should be.

sssshhhhhh, haven't you heared, Trump is abolishing "PC".

Means Political Capital

 

Sorry if I'm late, but Obama endorsed Trump.

Thats a satire washington post article. Also known as being posted in the jokes section. 

 

sssshhhhhh, haven't you heared, Trump is abolishing "PC".

Means Political Capital

 

Sorry if I'm late, but Obama endorsed Trump.

Thats a satire washington post article. Also known as being posted in the jokes section. 

 

Lol I know. There's something called going along with a joke...

 

 

sssshhhhhh, haven't you heared, Trump is abolishing "PC".

Means Political Capital

 

Sorry if I'm late, but Obama endorsed Trump.

Thats a satire washington post article. Also known as being posted in the jokes section. 

 

Lol I know. There's something called going along with a joke...

Hmm Didnt seem like it... 1) You posted Im sorry if I am late... 2 there was no joke in there or reffereance to the funny part of the article only the headline so you couldnt have known it was satire and no one in the thread mentioned it.... But whateves

Waiting on Lys to tally up everything and tell us what that means (from his world view :P)

 

Trump remains favored to win the Republican nomination, and had a decent night overall, but it was not as good as some had predicted he would have.

(1) Lost states other than Texas: Cruz was always expected to win Texas, but Cruz also won Oklahoma (and as of this very moment, is leading in Alaska).  Trump also not only lost Minnesota, he came in 3rd behind Rubio and Cruz (his first non-1st or 2nd finish).

(2) Had some closer-than-expected finishes: Trump beat Rubio in Virginia by ~3%, and Kasich in Vermont by ~2%.

 

However, as mentioned, Trump is still very much on path to win the nomination.  He did 7 contests (and is still in the running for Alaska, which would make 8) out of 11.  Importantly, Rubio appears to have missed delegate thresholds in Alabama, Texas, and Vermont (needed 20% in each, got 19, 18, and 19, respectively).  This makes the preferred "establishment" candidate's path harder - particularly since Cruz did well (winning one or two more states than expected, depending on how Alaska goes) and will therefore not have impetus to exit the race.

 

This is borne out in the betting markets, where people put actual money on the line:

Doesn't really matter at this point, first past the post.

Most states are still proportional at this point I believe. Which is why Cruz got so many delegates despite only winning three states.

 

The answer is no Trump didn't. Which ties into my point that despite the media obsession the guy really isn't that popular.

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I fell asleep waiting for Alaska. It was more competitive than I thought it would be, on both sides, but still on track for the same result. Let me figure out what happened and how to post all this. I know I'm trimming it down, there's too much.

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Anyway you look at it, Trump had a good night. The big news is Marco Rubio won a state!

The second biggest news is Donald Trump actually got knocked down to third in a state!

The third biggest news is John Kasich almost won a state!

The fourth biggest news is Ben Carson still hasn't come close to winning any state!

 

My high five of the night goes to Oklahoma. Oklahoma is where a lot of my roots come from. All my Grandparents came from there, and I still have a ton of family that I have not seen in years, and probably never will again. Oklahoma is pretty much the most Conservative state in the country, and they stayed true to themselves on both sides. They gave Ted Cruz, the most Conservative, the win, and at the same time gave Hillary Clinton a big 'fuck you' by gifting their few Democrat delegates to Bernie Sanders. That was telling Hillary that she is not welcome in Oklahoma. I'm so proud of Oklahoma.

 

Donald Trump won - Georgia, Tennessee, Virginia, Massachusetts, Vermont, Alabama, and Arkansas

He came second - Texas, Oklahoma, and Alaska

He came third - Minnesota

 

Ted Cruz won - Texas, Oklahoma, and Alaska

He came second - Tennessee, Minnesota, Alabama, and Arkansas

He came third - Georgia, and Virginia

 

Marco Rubio won - Minnesota

He came second - Georgia, and Virginia

He came third - Texas, Tennessee, Massachusetts, Vermont, Alabama, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Alaska

 

John Kasich came about 1,400 votes short in Vermont. It doesn't matter. Many of the thirds don't matter, I just put them there for perspective. The big losers of the night were Marco Rubio, and Bernie Sanders for the Dems. It's all coming down to winning states now, and Trump has control of that.

 

What will be coming now is truly disgraceful. Every Washington DC establishment Senator, Congressman, Lobbyist, Donor, Crony, and Lackey... on both sides... are shoveling millions of their dirty money into a single Super-Pac for the sole purpose of destroying Donald Trump. They don't understand that this is the whole reason they have Donald Trump to deal with today.

 

Donald Trump has won 10 states, Ted Cruz has won 4 states, Marco Rubio has won 1 state. Nobody appears to be leaving the race. I think Ben Carson is having too good of a time spending all that donation cash to even think about quitting. Rubio believes he will make a comeback on March 15th... I don't believe that will happen. Currently Donald Trump is still a lock for the nomination. Now I have to go make fun of the Democrats.

 

Doesn't really matter at this point, first past the post.

Most states are still proportional at this point I believe. Which is why Cruz got so many delegates despite only winning three states.

 

The answer is no Trump didn't. Which ties into my point that despite the media obsession the guy really isn't that popular.

 

 

The states voting yesterday were a mix of proportional and what would be better described as "winner-take-most."  More extensive details on the allotment calculations are here: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/super-tuesday-preview-republican-presidential-election-2016/

 

If you go to the Wikipedia article for the primary now, you can see the aggregate vote totals for each candidate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

At the moment they are:

TRUMP: 3,320,055 (34.25%)

CRUZ: 2,710,180 (27.96%)

RUBIO: 2,105,918 (21.72%)

 

You're right that Trump has not run away with the vote total - in aggregate he isn't even up to 35%.  However, in the upcoming states, which are increasingly winner-take-most, or winner-take-all, a plurality is all that is needed.  Cruz and Rubio do not lead in most such states, which is why the mathematics are running against them.  For example, in Florida, yes, Trump is only at ~40% in the polls, but that is comfortably ahead of Rubio's 21% and Cruz's 16%.

The only path to counter Trump would be there to be only one opponent to Trump, no other path.

 

This is a perfect storm for establishment. Their boy Rubio is no where near and is falling behind, they hate Trump and they equally loathe Cruz.

 

Cruz will not get out, Rubio wont either. Carson doesn't matter, Kasich can be a spoiler, probably hoping for some deal from Trump or establishment. Trump has no need to thin the field, establishment is in paralysis.

 

 

Doesn't really matter at this point, first past the post.

Most states are still proportional at this point I believe. Which is why Cruz got so many delegates despite only winning three states.

 

The answer is no Trump didn't. Which ties into my point that despite the media obsession the guy really isn't that popular.

 

 

The states voting yesterday were a mix of proportional and what would be better described as "winner-take-most."  More extensive details on the allotment calculations are here: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/super-tuesday-preview-republican-presidential-election-2016/

 

If you go to the Wikipedia article for the primary now, you can see the aggregate vote totals for each candidate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

At the moment they are:

TRUMP: 3,320,055 (34.25%)

CRUZ: 2,710,180 (27.96%)

RUBIO: 2,105,918 (21.72%)

 

You're right that Trump has not run away with the vote total - in aggregate he isn't even up to 35%.  However, in the upcoming states, which are increasingly winner-take-most, or winner-take-all, a plurality is all that is needed.  Cruz and Rubio do not lead in most such states, which is why the mathematics are running against them.  For example, in Florida, yes, Trump is only at ~40% in the polls, but that is comfortably ahead of Rubio's 21% and Cruz's 16%.

 

It is noteworthy that Trump is actually getting less of the Republican vote than Romney got in Super Tuesday 2012. 

 

sssshhhhhh, haven't you heared, Trump is abolishing "PC".

Means Political Capital

 

To be fair, he abolished both :D

 

Objectively speaking, it's still great. Or did I miss something?

you aren't the only one wondering Shah, you aren't te only one :D

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It's not real clear, no official announcement yet, but Ben Carson will not attend the debate tomorrow. John Kasich said during an event that Carson told him he's out... and I believe him. So I'm saying, Ben Carson is out of the race. I don't see how this affects anyone else.

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