It's time to change things up from debate discussion to actual election results.

 

The Republican Iowa Caucus has now been decided. Ted Cruz won a very tight race.

 

Ted Cruz - 28%

Donald Trump - 24%

Marco Rubio - 23%

Ben Carson - 9%

Rand Paul - 5%

Jeb Bush - 3%

John Kasich - 2%

Carly Fiorina - 2%

Mike Huckabee - 2%

Chris Christie - 2%

Rick Santorum - 1%

Jim Gilmore - <1%

 

The big surprise was Marco Rubio with late deciders. I believe we will see many drop out. Gilmore, Santorum, Huckabee, Fiorina, and Carson should be soon suspending their campaigns. If they can't win in Iowa, they have no chance to win anywhere. The big question will be... Where will their support go?

The difference between Trump and Cruz is one is the monster you know and one is a sleazy slimy operative.

 

Anyway, I don't think New Hampshire will be a walk in the park for Sanders. Obama thought the same and Hillary jumped out last season. Sanders gotta fight for every vote. He has to learn and adapt against Establishments dirty politics that robbed him of his de jure win.

The difference between Trump and Cruz is one is the monster you know and one is a sleazy slimy operative.

 

Anyway, I don't think New Hampshire will be a walk in the park for Sanders. Obama thought the same and Hillary jumped out last season. Sanders gotta fight for every vote. He has to learn and adapt against Establishments dirty politics that robbed him of his de jure win.

Sanders will crush Hillary in New Hampshire, they are overrun with career college students, but after that he's out of gas. The only reason Hillary beat Obama in New Hampshire in '08 was she started crying during an interview the day before... that dog ain't gonna hunt this time.

 

Bernie Sanders will never get the nomination. The fix is already in. You can tell by the way they handled Iowa. It's a "caucus"... and the results are known instantly... they don't cast a ballot, they just report the outcome... there was nothing to recount, and it took a day to get the results? Even if Hillary gets indicted, cuffed, perp walked, and thrown in max security... Bernie will never be President. They will have Joe Biden on the ballots faster than you can say, "WTF just happened?" and they will change all the rules they need to change... because they can.

 

They "allowed" Bernie Sanders to run. Every one of those candidates were just a pony show to make her look better. They never believed a 74 year old Socialist would be a threat. They had mock debates hidden on weekends, and during football games. They didn't want anyone to watch them. It's all rigged to crown Hillary, but they have one problem... they can't make people like her.

 

I like the max security thing, that's what she deserves.

 

Trump demanding a re run of Iowa after throwing a hissy fit that fox wouldn't drop Kelly. I don't think he could look more like a cry baby if he tried. Given he tried to sell himself as a tough guy I have a feeling this will hurt him more than any attack from outside.

There is a legitimate beef about this. Ted Cruz took a tweet from Ben Carson about him going home to get a change of clothes and turned it into a big hoax that he was pulling out of the race. This was a lie. This was not the only dirty politics from the Cruz camp... they also sent out "Election Violation" notices out to Iowa Republicans showing all their neighbors their attendance record for caucus, and making them think they were in some kind of trouble.

 

This is dirty politics and I hate it. It's done on purpose, and then after the damage is done they just claim ignorance and apologize. Sorry... that doesn't fly with me, and I expect this crap from Democrats, but not from the Cruz campaign.

 

 

You may "expect this crap" from Democrats, but you actually got it from a Republican.

 

Apparently, it was not just limited to a tweet, but there was also a series of voicemails sent to potential voters.

The governor of Iowa is now saying that there "will be repercussions" for what the Cruz campaign did.  I don't know if he is speaking legally, or just in the realm of public opinion.

 

 

You may "expect this crap" from Democrats, but you actually got it from a Republican. Apparently, it was not just limited to a tweet, but there was also a series of voicemails sent to potential voters. The governor of Iowa is now saying that there "will be repercussions" for what the Cruz campaign did.  I don't know if he is speaking legally, or just in the realm of public opinion.

It's just in the realm of public opinion. The Cruz camp are sticking to their story that it was a legitimate news story from CNN and they ran with it. They will probably get away with it. What I thought was awful was Ted... knowing the shit he pulled... tried to deflect the crap storm that was coming on to "just another Trump tantrum", and he was just a sore loser.

 

That stupid mailer thing has been done before. I guess it's not illegal, it's just bad taste. Ted Cruz ran a brilliant campaign up until the last week or so before Iowa, and then he just turned scumbag after Sarah Palin endorsed Trump. The thing that bugs me about Ted Cruz is he sounds so much like a televangelist when he speaks... now I have something else that bugs me more than that... dirty fucking politics.

I sincerely hope that more of the support from Huckabee/Santorum/Paul swings in Marco Rubio's direction. I was (and still am) a Huckabee supporter but my like and interest in Rubio has been growing rapidly. I will be casting my vote for Rubio in the primaries and will gladly support him for President if he wins the nomination. He is far less "establishment" than most people, he appeals to the conservative base, and I think that he has a good grasp on foreign affairs.

 

I was not crazy about McCain or Romney, but I am actually interested in voting for Rubio. I think that he could be what we need.

Everyone that drops out will strengthen Marco. Bush and Christie are desperately trying to damage Rubio in an attempt to shift that momentum to themselves. It won't work. Marco is running a very positive campaign, and people like that. They want to say he doesn't have enough experience. He's 5 years into his first term as a U.S. Senator... that's longer than Obama was. People also need to know a couple more things about Marco Rubio... he was Speaker of the House for the Florida Legislature, and the man has never lost an election. They want to say he's too young... he's 44 and 5 months younger than Ted Cruz. In comparison, John F. Kennedy was 43 when he was elected, Theodore Roosevelt was 42.

 

Trump support is maxed out. Rubio is rising, and should win this in a walk. I do believe he will choose out of the box of candidates, and pick Nikki Haley, Governor of South Carolina, as the VP running mate.

Definately Rubio is better than Cruz and Trump. Trump is Trump and Cruz is my way or highway.

New Hampshire is now in the record books. I have been waiting for the numbers to become final.

 

Trump - 35%

Kasich - 16%

Cruz - 12%

Bush - 11%

Rubio - 11%

Christie - 7%

Fiorina - 4%

Carson - 2%

 

Check the date my friends... Tuesday February 9 will probably come down to the day Donald Trump was elected President. In my opinion, there was only one way to stop Trump. If Marco Rubio was allowed to continue his momentum, he would have locked up a solid second place in New Hampshire. Bush, Kasich, and Christie all would have dropped out... and Rubio would have inherited their support and beat Donald in South Carolina. That would have ended the Trump train. That did not happen.

 

Donald Trump has probably sent Chris Christie a 5 pound box of candy, with a "yuge" thank you note... because he is responsible for Donald Trump to be in perfect position to sweep the Republican nomination. In the last debate, Chris Christie performed a masterful kamikaze suicide attack on Marco Rubio. This was devastating to Rubio, killed Christie... and gave artificial hope to Kasich and Bush. Now Marco is deflated, Bush and Kasich will stay in, Christie will drop... and Trump will walk to victory in South Carolina... and then Nevada. There will be no stopping Trump now, and it's all because we have so many delusional candidates that believe they can beat him. The time to concentrate enough support into one candidate with the right stuff to stop the Trump train, has passed. Cruz cannot beat Trump nationally. Donald Trump will destroy any Democrat they wish to nominate, and to believe that he is just too offensive to be electable... is complete ignorance to what has been going on.

 

It would now take a miracle to prevent Trump from winning a majority. I really can't stop laughing at these guys, patting themselves on the back and giving victory speeches... after getting absolutely crushed by Trump. They all believe if they can stay in just long enough to claim second position, that they will be the chosen one when the Republicans refuse to give the nomination to Donald Trump... it will never happen.

We need to dispel this fiction that these establishment candidates didn't know what they were doing - they knew exactly what they were doing! they're undergoing a systematic process to make Trump more like the other candidates and have at least a semblance of a personality. We need to break this fairy tale that these establishment candidates didn't know what they were doing - they knew exactly what they were doing! they're pushing a systematic process to make Trump more like the other candidates and have at least a semblance of a personality. We need to make it clear that these establishment candidates didn't know what they were doing - they knew exactly what they were doing! they're undergoing a systematic process to make Trump more like the other candidates and have at least a semblance of a personality.

We need to dispel this fiction that these establishment candidates didn't know what they were doing - they knew exactly what they were doing! they're undergoing a systematic process to make Trump more like the other candidates and have at least a semblance of a personality. We need to break this fairy tale that these establishment candidates didn't know what they were doing - they knew exactly what they were doing! they're pushing a systematic process to make Trump more like the other candidates and have at least a semblance of a personality. We need to make it clear that these establishment candidates didn't know what they were doing - they knew exactly what they were doing! they're undergoing a systematic process to make Trump more like the other candidates and have at least a semblance of a personality.

How in the heck did you manage to post that three times, Shah? I was reading this post and thought that I was having a stroke halfway through..

 

We need to dispel this fiction that these establishment candidates didn't know what they were doing - they knew exactly what they were doing! they're undergoing a systematic process to make Trump more like the other candidates and have at least a semblance of a personality. We need to break this fairy tale that these establishment candidates didn't know what they were doing - they knew exactly what they were doing! they're pushing a systematic process to make Trump more like the other candidates and have at least a semblance of a personality. We need to make it clear that these establishment candidates didn't know what they were doing - they knew exactly what they were doing! they're undergoing a systematic process to make Trump more like the other candidates and have at least a semblance of a personality.

How in the heck did you manage to post that three times, Shah? I was reading this post and thought that I was having a stroke halfway through..

 

21st century values have been instilled in me, i have ignored what the media pushes down my throat. It is these 21st century values that have allowed me to succeed, and I have avoided all the peer pressure to take in the negative values that are thrust down my throat. I strongly believe that these 21st century values must be instilled in our children too, and that we must fight back against what the liberal socialist media thrusts down our throats!

 I see what you did there, Shah.

Chris Christie has dropped out as I knew he would. He had zero hope of getting any traction in South Carolina. I hear him and Donald Trump have talked... quite a bit... it could mean an Attorney General appointment... I don't believe they would be talking VP. Carly Fiorina has also dropped, but that didn't mean anything anyway because she would be trying to pull support from Cruz, and she would fail. If Carson dropped, it may have had an effect because Carson will get more support in South Carolina than he did in New Hampshire, but he isn't dropping, so no effect.

 

Christie and Fiorina dropping... equals no change in how things will turn out. Trump will take South Carolina easily, barring a miracle happening that pushes Cruz into a power position. I don't think that will happen.

Haha very funny if you believe that Trump can beat either Clinton or Sanders, Sorry but no republican or conservative will be the next President. The Republican party is a joke. McCain was probably the last decent Republican candidate who actually supported Health Care reform, believed in Global Warming, etc The Republican party is stuck in their old ways and need to realize that it's the 21'st Century. Marriage is not a Religious matter, Global Warming is a man made problem, Not all Muslims are terrorist. Welfare and Social Security are not a drain on our economy. Well who cares no one listens to crazy liberals. Go on just support Trump the next Hitler and watch the world burn.

Despite these victories, the majority of Republican voters still don't want Trump as their nominee, and the majority of America can't stand him. 

 

I really don't see where this glide to power is going to come from. 

 

I have watched the same thing take place in the UK. The Labour Party leadership elections this summer saw three utterly shite "mainstream" candidates in the form on Andy Burnham (aka some bloke who did something in the shadow cabinet or something) Yvette Cooper, and .....and....I can't actually remember the third, other than the fact she decided that Nicola Murray from the Thick of It was a good role model when she threw her support behind a policy of welfare cuts so toxic that even Conservative MPs were howling in protest. 

 

Enter Jeremy Corbyn, the outsider. Ok a hard left winger not a crazy all immigrants are terrorists nutjob, but still the anti-establishment figure to shake up politics, carrying labour party members by storm, huge rallies, cheering people, lots of excitement. Swept to power by the entire party membership, to the horror of the MPs and Party Leadership. The man to start a grass roots movement that would take the country by storm and propel Labour to a crushing victory.... 

 

Since then Labour's polling performance has stayed stationary. Not one inch of movement. Internal bickering has undone the few moments of success, and slowly but surely the outsider has begun to sink. 

 

The thing is, when you put up a terrible field, outsiders can look great, build some momentum and seem really popular. And lets be clear, as bad fields go, the Republican 2016 field is shockingly awful. From Bush III, to Soundbite Rubio, to bridgegate Christie, to Pyramids are grain silos Carson, it is shocking. Beating this field just requires turning up, wearing shoes (optional) and having a pulse (also potentially optional). 

 

But if there is one very clear thing here, if the Republican's elect Trump, get ready for President Clinton. That is a dead certainty. 

 

 

EDIT: Liz Kendall....it was Liz Kendall. The 4th candidate, the "woops did I accidentally join the Labour Party?" Candidate

Sorry Ice... if you talk about UK politics, I'm lost. I know you guys have a Queen and a few Prince's, and a Prime Minister... but after that I have no interest in what happens. That's up to you guys.

 

If the Republican candidates are so bad, then you really have nothing to worry about. What bothers me the most is you have such critical attitude, and vicious opinions, about Republicans, but have nothing to say about the Democrats and their problems. I try to keep it real here, and I'm not so lost in my political positions that I can't see what's happening on the ground.

Haha very funny if you believe that Trump can beat either Clinton or Sanders, Sorry but no republican or conservative will be the next President. The Republican party is a joke. McCain was probably the last decent Republican candidate who actually supported Health Care reform, believed in Global Warming, etc The Republican party is stuck in their old ways and need to realize that it's the 21'st Century. Marriage is not a Religious matter, Global Warming is a man made problem, Not all Muslims are terrorist. Welfare and Social Security are not a drain on our economy. Well who cares no one listens to crazy liberals. Go on just support Trump the next Hitler and watch the world burn.

You are a cheerleader, and like all cheerleaders you face your side, dance, shout, and pompom your team. The only time you look at the other side, it's to throw a razz, and the entire time you really don't know how the game is played, and fail to glance at the scoreboard. You have received the best indoctrination money can buy, and have been promoted to the prestigious rank of one of the flock. I do wish you the best of luck in your blind ignorance. I have hope that one day you will realize what you have become.

Sorry Ice... if you talk about UK politics, I'm lost. I know you guys have a Queen and a few Prince's, and a Prime Minister... but after that I have no interest in what happens. That's up to you guys.

 

If the Republican candidates are so bad, then you really have nothing to worry about. What bothers me the most is you have such critical attitude, and vicious opinions, about Republicans, but have nothing to say about the Democrats and their problems. I try to keep it real here, and I'm not so lost in my political positions that I can't see what's happening on the ground.

Because the Democrat race is boring. Hillary will win. Sanders is going to lose the next 5 states according to the polls. I don't know how you can realistically come back from that. He is a nice guy, means well, has some interesting policies, but American politics is not aligned to him. 

 

Clinton is Clinton. She is a reasonable candidate, but carried a lot of baggage. I don't think the email server thing is going to cripple her as much as her critics think because her standing already factors that into account. She is experienced, she has a reasonable platform and has the money and organisational ability to run a decent campaign. If the Republicans put up a moderate, reasonable, candidate with cross party appeal then she would however lose because lets be clear here, she is not a great or even very good candidate. 

 

However the fact of the matter is that whilst the Democract field is not exactly brilliant, it at least has a plausible candidate for the Presidency. The only Plausible republican candidates were Rubio and Kasich, and Rubio just shot himself rather heavily (although could come back) and Kasich is a moderate, experienced candidate with sensible plans and cross party appeal, which does not seem popular with the Republicans right now. 

 

End of the day, you have to be fair confirmation bias towards the REpublicans not to see this as advantage Democrat. A state of affairs I admit I am happy with because no Republican candidate will implement the Paris Climate Change Convention, and I am young enough that I will live to suffer if it is not implemented. 

 

Haha very funny if you believe that Trump can beat either Clinton or Sanders, Sorry but no republican or conservative will be the next President. The Republican party is a joke. McCain was probably the last decent Republican candidate who actually supported Health Care reform, believed in Global Warming, etc The Republican party is stuck in their old ways and need to realize that it's the 21'st Century. Marriage is not a Religious matter, Global Warming is a man made problem, Not all Muslims are terrorist. Welfare and Social Security are not a drain on our economy. Well who cares no one listens to crazy liberals. Go on just support Trump the next Hitler and watch the world burn.

You are a cheerleader, and like all cheerleaders you face your side, dance, shout, and pompom your team. The only time you look at the other side, it's to throw a razz, and the entire time you really don't know how the game is played, and fail to glance at the scoreboard. You have received the best indoctrination money can buy, and have been promoted to the prestigious rank of one of the flock. I do wish you the best of luck in your blind ignorance. I have hope that one day you will realize what you have become.

 

I am anything from a cheerleader, while yes I will call myself Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, even a bit Anarchist, I don't agree with everything that comes from the left. For example on the Republicans side I like Rand Paul and Ron Paul for their Libertarian ideas yes me and libertarians will probably disagree about what the government's role is and how "Big" it should be but we can agree what the corruption of it in general needs to be fix first for anything else to work. While I probably will stay supporting the Democratic or other Left wing parties I am not their Cheerleader and I do have problems with Obama, Hillary and even Bernie for that matter most people will never 100% agree with another person on all issues thats why we must work together to fix problems we have. But the problem we have is the Republican/Conservatives in America don't want to work together and just want to belittle Obama or any other Democrats, they try to attack some minority group and make you blame them for your problems. The Republicans show no respect to Women's rights, to minorites personal liberties. The Republican party right now is just filled with hate.

 

 

I am anything from a cheerleader, while yes I will call myself Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, even a bit Anarchist, I don't agree with everything that comes from the left. For example on the Republicans side I like Rand Paul and Ron Paul for their Libertarian ideas yes me and libertarians will probably disagree about what the government's role is and how "Big" it should be but we can agree what the corruption of it in general needs to be fix first for anything else to work.

You begin with describing yourself with a list of political groups that have taken control of the Democrat Party. You may agree with a few Libertarian positions, but only the very few that happen to cross into your idea for a perfect big government world. Just because you want to decriminalize drugs, you don't want the NSA watching you, and you want to audit the Fed because you want to destroy Capitalism... that doesn't make you anywhere near a Libertarian. Libertarians believe the size, power, and scope of the Federal Government are limited within the Constitution. Any power that is not granted in the Constitution is left to the States. So, you playing the Paul card will only insult the intelligence of every single Paul supporter. Above everything else, Rand Paul is a staunch Conservative, and firmly against anything Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, or Anarchist.

 

You said you "don't agree with everything on the left... for example on the Republicans side"... you failed to tell us anything that you don't agree with on the left.

 

 

 

But the problem we have is the Republican/Conservatives in America don't want to work together and just want to belittle Obama or any other Democrats, they try to attack some minority group and make you blame them for your problems. The Republicans show no respect to Women's rights, to minorites personal liberties. The Republican party right now is just filled with hate.

 

This entire statement is a complete lie. Republicans have been "compromising" with Liberals, Progressives, and Socialists for over 100 years. The last time Republicans had to "compromise" with Democrats was when they had to literally burn their racist party to the ground. When Obama took office in '09, he never worked with anyone. He said to Nancy and Harry... "Send a bill to my desk, and I'll sign it". He never worked with anyone. When Republicans took over the House... he never worked with them. When Republicans took over the Senate... he never worked with them. What we have seen since he took office has been nothing but signing things he didn't have to work for, or Executive Orders to illegally change laws that the courts have to stop. He has never worked with anyone... ever.

 

You guys must think that all Republicans are men, and all Republicans are white. What rights are you talking about? Tell my wife she has no respect for women's rights... she is more Conservative than I am. Liberals, Progressives, and Socialists only wish to commit theft, steal, and take... through legislation, that which is not theirs... and you say we are filled with hate. The truth is my friend... you just hate us.

So umm....this Gilmore guy..... Yeah can someone tell him that he lost and needs to drop out. Who's even putting money on the dead freaking horse? Who is funding his campaign??

So umm....this Gilmore guy..... Yeah can someone tell him that he lost and needs to drop out. Who's even putting money on the dead freaking horse? Who is funding his campaign??

The only reason he has to drop would be to make a statement with an endorsement. Nobody really notices he's still in the race.

 

So umm....this Gilmore guy..... Yeah can someone tell him that he lost and needs to drop out. Who's even putting money on the dead freaking horse? Who is funding his campaign??

The only reason he has to drop would be to make a statement with an endorsement. Nobody really notices he's still in the race.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/12/jim-gilmore-ends-2016-presidential-bid/

omg... I didn't even notice that he dropped.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/12/jim-gilmore-ends-2016-presidential-bid/

 

Well looks like he does have some grace left in him.....