So I wake up today and hear bombs have exploded at our airport and a metrostation in Brussel. 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35869254

Humanity is a cruel, dark thing Mandarijn. It's like the uncouth players from here, but in a far more real, and deadly sense. All for nothing but some unintelligible sense of personal enjoyment or misguided sense of purpose.

Dude, you guys seem to have quite a sophisticated network embedded there. 

I fear for Europes future and not just because of this.....

not good. 

Not surprising considering the limp-dicked policies of Europe. Maybe now the Belgian authorities will risk being a bit rude and conduct searches after 6 PM

 

Expect more.

Edited March 22, 201610 yr by ccabal86

Not surprising considering the limp-dicked policies of Europe. Maybe now the Belgian authorities will risk being a bit rude and conduct searches after 6 PM

 

Expect more.

Thats a bit heartless. They are still people. 

Oh, I very much empathize with the victims. It's the authorities that don't give a crap about their own citizens in fear of offending a few religious minorities. You know what I'm talking about.

Edited March 22, 201610 yr by ccabal86

An airport is supposed to have very high levels of security. It seems like the blasts were actually inside the terminal so they managed to get inside the airport bypassing the security. Pretty lax security measures were in place it seems or they had airport personnel who helped them to get in.

An airport is supposed to have very high levels of security. It seems like the blasts were actually inside the terminal so they managed to get inside the airport bypassing the security. Pretty lax security measures were in place it seems or they had airport personnel who helped them to get in.

It was before the security, at the check-in/entrance.

Round them up and hang them, trust me, no sane person would be offended regardless of their religious affiliation if the terrorists are hanged or kicked or jailed. Anyone who is pissed, investigate them too!

These things are becoming more of a regular occurrence, and they will keep happening more often for as long as the root of the problem isn't addressed.

 

An airport is supposed to have very high levels of security. It seems like the blasts were actually inside the terminal so they managed to get inside the airport bypassing the security. Pretty lax security measures were in place it seems or they had airport personnel who helped them to get in.

It was before the security, at the check-in/entrance.

 

 

Thats not good enough. In my country you cant even get to the check-in counters before passing through a couple of layers of security. No one who doesnt have a valid ticket isnt even allowed in the departure terminal. The days of lax security is over I am afraid and you guys need to catch up fast to the dangerous world this has become.

 

And I do agree with ccabal (even though he likes to lump all muslims with the terrorists). We have dealt with these extremists in our country too and nothing but a heavy hand will deter them even though it may piss off some people. Our government has a simple strategy of shoot them as they are caught and the few that make it t trial are hung. In our specific case, the extremism started through thousands of Saudi funded religious schools set up in the country which pretty much ran with absolute no monitoring and completely funded by the Arabs. The new Govt  started strict monitoring of these schools and blocked all arab funding coming in. It worked.

Can't even enter airport parking without valid ticket and passport here. You get sniffed for any explosives etc.

 

We're doing same in our country, extremists get shot. Sympathisers get picked up, hate speech lands you in jail or fine. Madressahs get monitored, need to go harder on madressahs more IMO.

 

 

 

They need to be dealt with heavy hand. Talks and reasoning was tried for years, didn't work.

People are so concerned about the security of airports. The only reason they choose these locations is because there are an abundant amount of victims to kill. You tighten security at one location and stop it from happening there, ok fair enough. What then? They're going to start walking into schools and blowing themselves up. If they can get into an airport with all the dogs, security and what not... Just wait for it, I think the policy of do nothing is going to end as soon as a school full of peoples children get blown up in Europe somewhere. Suddenly deploying a few thousands troops over to start killing these people off won't be sounding so bad, but it seems people need to be shown that is the only way till they're ready to do it. It's just like life in general, people learn from their bad actions. You choose not to act and hope that nothing happens, then it does happen, now suddenly it's time to do something.

This attack was planned, but accelerated in retaliation for the arrest of that Paris terrorist a few days ago. This is Betsy's back yard... I hope you are safe. We stand with you as always... I can't speak for how our weak President will respond.

This attack was planned, but accelerated in retaliation for the arrest of that Paris terrorist a few days ago. This is Betsy's back yard... I hope you are safe. We stand with you as always... I can't speak for how our weak President will respond.

He'd do nothing, there is a coalition waiting for him to take charge. 

 

I've said this before, screw the regime change, wipe out ISIS. Wipe them out. there wont be refugees if there isnt a war in Syria. The Rebels and Government already have a ~functional cease fire in place. 

 

I just dont fucking understand when each and every neighbour and each and every nation state is so vehemently against ISIS, how the fuck are they still governing. Make the governments own up to their words, no duplicity bs. Action and only Action. 

 

You know what Lys, for 10-12 years, our govt was scared, it cut deals to keep them at bay, thought peace would be good and to leave them alone would be good, you know what, it didnt fucking work out. In the end, they attacked a school, they killed 140 kids in cold blood, children. And only then did they realise there is no other way to this, it's them or us man. Army got it's shit together, and we've been wiping them out for past year and half. No holds barred. You even give a sniff of a terrorist, bam, you're dead or you're in a cell. That's how it works. 

 

We also were civil, we didnt hang them, because it isnt civil and because we open the death penalty, EU will start fucking giving trade penalties, how fucked is up that? But you know, we said, screw that, all the top fuckers were hanged. 

 

They'd scare our judges and lawyers and even gain sympathy from some lawyers yea, so fuck that too, let's set up military courts, so tl;dr you better not be found near any shit or you're in deep trouble.

 

That's how it works. That's the learning cycle we went through, we tried to reason at first, for 10-12 years, but attacks never stopped, but when they killed the children, that was it. Something snapped inside. 

 

I hope this is that moment for Europe. 

 

In wake of terror attacks, often we're left with ideological debate...that if you act, you're labelled imperialist by x and if you dont, you're labbelled as a liberal or guilt-ridden. These are two extremes, there are those who will say all westerners are bad or all muslims are bad, but obviously there's a fucking middle way, but right now it's led by a bunch of incompetent fools who have allowed extremists and right wing nut jobs to drive the narrative. World's all fucked up. I am forever, an optimist and have my hopes. 

 

 

I hope Betsy you're safe and sound. 

ISIS isn't a regular/ uniformed army. In case of a full out war, many ISIS people will be killed, but the collateral damage (civilians) will be too high. After Afghanistan and Iraq, everyone has learnt their lessons. Foreign intervention won't help.

 

Plus it also as simple as ISIS against everyone. There's a shia/sunni issue that'll need to worked out with Iran, Saudi, Iraq, Syria, etc. Syrian govt. is also not supported by US. US wanted to overthrow the Syrian govt. in the past. I haven't kept up with the news these past months, so I don't know whether this has changed or not.

 

Sorry for Brussels. I hope the terrorists are caught, tried in court, and hanged when found guilty. 

There are Muslim-majority nations willing to commit ground troops, but dont have the necessary operational know-how or money to keep the show going for long. European/Western Air support with proper nation state armies on the ground, from allied Muslim states, i think will do the trick to make life for ISIS much harder.

 

Problem is Mr. Obama probably wants to leave this decision to the next President and Europe would rather have the refugees and regime change, I guess, to spite Russians, who knows.

Dude, you guys seem to have quite a sophisticated network embedded there. 

I fear for Europes future and not just because of this.....

depends what you call sophistication, most of the attacks in Europe were lone wolfs and silent sympathizers, fairly difficult to route out anywhere.

 

Not surprising considering the limp-dicked policies of Europe. Maybe now the Belgian authorities will risk being a bit rude and conduct searches after 6 PM

 

Expect more.

They already do searches after 6pm, you just need 1 extra line on the search warrent, one stating that for reason X it is required to do so after 6pm.

 

Its more about some lawyers being dicks and our system had a "1 wrong move and all is gone" mentality (which is gone now btw).

 

 

This attack was planned, but accelerated in retaliation for the arrest of that Paris terrorist a few days ago. This is Betsy's back yard... I hope you are safe. We stand with you as always... I can't speak for how our weak President will respond.

I know Belgium aint large, but that doesn't mean suddenly its all my backyard

Even if it sometimes sounds that way, don't think that I universally blame all Muslims for attacks like these. Yes, I admit that as an Atheist, Islam in general advocates a worldview which is the direct opposite of mine.

 

But Islam is not Islamism, but unfortunately Western leaders cannot tell the difference, and in doing so they let Trojan horses operate unchecked. For It is the established position of both Salafist and reform Salafist (e.g. Muslim Brotherhood) ideologues that they wish to transform Western societies (and all other societies for that matter) into Islamic ones ruled by Sharia. Whether the path to this leads through violence or insidious manipulation is irrelevant, it's the end-goal that matters. So I ask, why the hell are Western governments so stupid as to allow and sometimes even subsidize the workings of movements that see them and their citizens as enemies that need to be conquered one way or the other? I think the answer to that is regressive PC and bullshit religious tolerance.

 

EDIT: BTW, glad to see you're save Bets

Edited March 22, 201610 yr by ccabal86

Sad news. Unfortunate for everyone. Prayers and thoughts for the families.

 

While we are remembering the victims, let us take the time to remember that it was our own mistakes that led to this crisis. ISIS was funded as a proxy against Assad and at that time even I believed that removing a dictator by any means is necessary but now theses snakes that we've been breeding are turning against us. Its time to put them down plain and simple. 

 

America needs to provide intel and proper guidance and send in specialist teams to help mid east get its shit together (after all, its their responsibility). Help the Arabs organize into a proper anti-terrorism force. And at the same time, Muslims need to denounce outfits like ISIS and such and bring a change in their ideology regarding West and America. And change the ideology regarding freedom fighters/terrorists. 

 

That's the only way I see terrorism ending. Through both military and ideological/educational efforts.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29671415/section-of-DIA-evacuated-because

 

Thats literally close to me. 

People are so concerned about the security of airports. The only reason they choose these locations is because there are an abundant amount of victims to kill. You tighten security at one location and stop it from happening there, ok fair enough. What then? They're going to start walking into schools and blowing themselves up. If they can get into an airport with all the dogs, security and what not... Just wait for it, I think the policy of do nothing is going to end as soon as a school full of peoples children get blown up in Europe somewhere. Suddenly deploying a few thousands troops over to start killing these people off won't be sounding so bad, but it seems people need to be shown that is the only way till they're ready to do it. It's just like life in general, people learn from their bad actions. You choose not to act and hope that nothing happens, then it does happen, now suddenly it's time to do something.

 

Airports are important..specially international airports. They are the lifelines to a country's economy. You blow out one it hugely affects the country's economy.

I think the focus on ISIS as the cause of this is not 100% the right thing. Yes they need to be taken out, but there needs to be something else as well. 

 

Firstly, I don't think blaming a religion is sensible or even rationale. This is not the first wave of religiously inspired terrorist attacks in Europe, and it won't be the last. Anyone remember the IRA? Are we going to argue that Catholicism is a religion that promotes terror? The attacks in Norway in 2011 (possibly the inspiration for later lone wolf attacks) by Breivik were carried out by a self-declared Heathen-does this mean that Heathenry is a terrorist religion? 

 

Secondly, although there is an ISIS brand on it, this is home grown terrorism. Belgium has some shitty neighborhoods that are full of disenfranchised people, as does Paris. All the attacks are carried out by people who have been in Europe a long time. These are not recent immigrants from Syria coming to Europe to commit terror. These are citizens of European countries turning their guns on their fellow citizens. To me, that is less about what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan (although obviously impacted on by it), but is in part what have we got so wrong in building our society that there are sufficient numbers of young people who detest it that they want to go out and try and destroy it. 

 

This is not justifying terrorism. This is not saying that what they are doing is correct. However, if you go in guns blazing, building walls of fear and throwing everything you can with torture and execution, you won't win. You will kill a few terrorists, but you won't solve the deeper problems. It is like treating cancer by cutting out one or two cells each week but not bothering with the chemo or radiotherapy needed to make a real difference. 

For me, the biggest issue is the all to present mantra off "more with less", it's rather sickening that you need people to be shredded by nails to actually get SOME police vacancies properly financed so they can be filled.

 

Thats my issue, we don't need new stuff or radical thinking, we need to actually do what we planned to do decades ago. I am going to call anyone out for being an idiot if they want a 10m tree gone thats growing inside their own house. Yes present laws and regulations should be kept up-to-date with the everchanging world, but atleast try doing that AFTER you got the former rules implemented and working.

 

They are now going to allow soldiers to inspect bags in the street, but the catch is they need to have a police officer with them. Fun note, probably less police available to do that then there are currently soldiers doing (stationary) guardduties (about 740 now I think). You might understand my point with that.