Facts and figures: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/04/death-penalty-2015-facts-and-figures/

 

PDF Detailed Report: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2016/02/annual-report-201516/

 

 

China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the USA

 

Well... that's not a list I'd want to be tagged on the end of.

Facts and figures: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/04/death-penalty-2015-facts-and-figures/

 

PDF Detailed Report: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2016/02/annual-report-201516/

What's the point?

 

 

What's the point?

 

Nothing. Just posting for everyone.

 

I was curious however about what does Amnesty International want? What should the aforementioned countries do w/ Murderers if not hang them? 

 

What's the point?

 

Nothing. Just posting for everyone.

 

I was curious however about what does Amnesty International want? What should the aforementioned countries do w/ Murderers if not hang them?

 

Life in prison?? Not sure, but I found this on their website:

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/death-penalty/

 

What's the point?

 

Nothing. Just posting for everyone.

 

I was curious however about what does Amnesty International want? What should the aforementioned countries do w/ Murderers if not hang them? 

 

... those convicted of murder ...

 

When you give the government the right to execute people, and they accidentally execute someone wrongfully convicted (i.e. innocent), then in some way, you are the murderer (or at least, the accessory to murder).

 

It is interesting that (at least in the US), those who are most skeptical of state power often are in favor of giving the state this irrevocable power.

When you are wrongfully convicted and sent to life in prison, an apology and monetary compensation can be given, when you are wrongfully convicted and executed though ...

It is interesting that (at least in the US), those who are most skeptical of state power often are in favor of giving the state this irrevocable power.

It is interesting that (at least in the US), those who are most against the death penalty for mass murderers and terrorists, are strongly in favor of the mass abortion of innocent children. I myself, would prefer the "Escape From New York" concept. Let them loose on an island out in the Pacific... and let them kill each other. We can set up cameras for the ultimate reality show. Then we can actually generate hefty revenue from the advertising, and these pathetic creatures can cease their never ending drain on tax payers.

 

 

We can set up cameras for the ultimate reality show. Then we can actually generate hefty revenue from the advertising, and these pathetic creatures can cease their never ending drain on tax payers.

 

Oh dear!!! That'd make Romans tremble. 

 

 

When you give the government the right to execute people, and they accidentally execute someone wrongfully convicted (i.e. innocent), then in some way, you are the murderer (or at least, the accessory to murder).

 

Agreed, that is a problem but even in life sentence innocent would spend his life locked up. The solution is making the investigation and forensic system and techniques stronger and better. 

 

It is interesting that (at least in the US), those who are most skeptical of state power often are in favor of giving the state this irrevocable power.

It is interesting that (at least in the US), those who are most against the death penalty for mass murderers and terrorists, are strongly in favor of the mass abortion of innocent children. I myself, would prefer the "Escape From New York" concept. Let them loose on an island out in the Pacific... and let them kill each other. We can set up cameras for the ultimate reality show. Then we can actually generate hefty revenue from the advertising, and these pathetic creatures can cease their never ending drain on tax payers.

 

 

"Limited government" "constitutional conservative" says what now? ... the government can do no wrong and anyone found guilty by a court is absolutely unequivocally at fault?  That the 8th amendment is trashable?

 

Yeah, we'll make sure that is remembered next time you think the government should have less power over people's lives and that the constitution should be followed.

 

 

There have been 337 people exonerated of crimes in the United States by new DNA evidence/analysis alone.  Of these, 20 had been on death row.  These are people you would have sent to your island.

I assume you personally would have happily written 6- and 7-figure checks to their next of kin when they died in your "Escape from New York" reality TV show?

Hi Niels... I don't care about your statistics. It is the job of the Federal Government to enforce the law.

Hi Niels... I don't care about your statistics. It is the job of the Federal Government to enforce the law.

 

Reasonable people would probably express concern that their government might injure or kill innocent people.

They may argue that this is a necessary evil and inevitable given that we cannot have perfect information, but they would acknowledge it (as Rafay does) as a problem that ideally should be minimized.

 

I'm not completely against the death penalty in theory, but so long as we have people being sent to death row only to later be exonerated (hopefully before their executions) I am not OK with it in practice.  (And this is why we need statistics on the matter, your apathy aside.)

Ideally we would have perfect information, but unfortunately, that would require an onerous and intrusive surveillance system (e.g. cameras everywhere, implanted GPS chips in people, etc.) that would be terrible to actually have.

Hi Niels... I don't care about your statistics. It is the job of the Federal Government to enforce the law.

And obey your constitution which; 

 

1. Allows them to change the law, which could include banning the death penalty at Federal Level and; 

2. Not to inflict cruel or unusual punishment, which your proposal would, and lethal injection probably does as well. 

Of course Ice... we actually did that once upon a time, and that is why Charles Manson is still alive today. "Cruel and unusual" is entirely a matter of interpretation. I am all in favor of creating and enforcing Constitutional law, and you guys still have trouble with my level of sarcasm. I tend to be more sarcastic when you guys bring up issues I really don't care about.

 

I have no problem whatsoever with creating law that would banish people to live somewhere else, because they have demonstrated that they are incapable of living a law abiding life in our society. I do believe that was the original plan for Australia, if my information serves me correctly.

sarcasm o/

matter of interpretation o/

 

it wasn't like they meant for the prisoners to just be dropped of and left to wander the great expanse that is Australias bush. They were sent to penal colonies, think less "Escape from New York" and more St Helena for Napoleon.

See, Somalia did this one right. Tied the fat shit to a pole and shot him dead in a public display. A practice we should adopt in Europe, I say.

 

http://nairobinews.nation.co.ke/news/somali-al-shabaab-journalist-executed/

 

 

A practice we should adopt in Europe, I say.

 

Not in Merkel's Europe..... 

Yes. In Merkel's Europe that guy has the right to a 3-room luxurious prison cell, TV, Computer, 8 hours of sleep every day, and healthy social interaction where he has the opportunity to convert other prisoners to his cause. Meanwhile, comedians are being prosecuted for offending dictators.

1) no german (or even norwegian) heavy security inmate has that

2) nobody is as of yet being prosecuted

Brevik does, minus the social chit-chat. From now on, he'll have that too

 

I 'll bet you 300 tech right now, that he will not only be tried, but found guilty as well.

Edited April 20, 201610 yr by ccabal86