If TW turns up scum I find it very unlikely that both of his scum buddies will vote for him to get him lynched. If both Kevin and TW are scum they would have tried to get a wagon going on Fermion. I dont see why kevin will switch from his vote on you to TW when he could have easily switched to Fermion as he was doing early in the day. That would mean they were sure to get a townie lynched and there wouldnt be any need for sacrificing one of their scum buddies.

 

tldr: If TW is scum, everyone on the Kevin wagon is suspect, not the other way around. If TW turns up town then your theory applies.

 

ps: Rafay always plays scummily. So I dont necessarily see his actions as scummy. I would say its his normal play style. What would matter is if he hammered home a lynch on a scum when he was the deciding factor.

 

 

If TW turns up scum I find it very unlikely that both of his scum buddies will vote for him to get him lynched.

 

This

 

 

 

ps: Rafay always plays scummily. So I dont necessarily see his actions as scummy. I would say its his normal play style.

 

And this too..... 

Rafay, why don't you share your actions?

Rafay, why don't you share your actions?

I was wondering the same thing. He's been asked multiple times. If he reveals who he watched and what they did, it ultimately helps the town. However, if he's scum...

If he's town, he should share.

If he's scum, he should share.

 

If he's Rafay, who knows?

OK lets say TW turns up town. That puts the spotlight on Rafay, Kevin, COD, Fermion and me I guess.

 

Lets say Rafay's scummy behavior is not a warped playstyle but actually indication of scum who actually is not a Watcher. A scum Watcher can easily reveal his results. There is no reason to hide them. However, Rafay may be a JOAT who used his Watch action on N2. He does not want to reveal his results because he didnt watch anyone on N1 and therefore cant provide concrete evidence. So this is the only scenario that fits with a scum Rafay.

 

Another possibility is Kevin/Rafay combo with each confirming the others role. In this case they teamed up to lynch TW with their 3rd partner probably not on the TW wagon.

 

And lastly another possibility is Fermion is actually scum. In that case I dont beleive Kevin is on the same scum team with him, but possibly Rafay is.

 

I am pretty positive COD is town..or he really has me fooled.

 

In any case I believe the possibility of any of the above scenarios happening is very small. So pretty confident that TW is scum.

oh and I forgot another scenario. TW turns up scum but all 3 scum are on the kevin wagon. That would mean d3mon, SM and iSoc are all scum. But the possibility of that is low imo. I havent seen a lurking group come out enmasse so dramatically before.

TW turns up town i meant.

And since I seem to be rambling on, I might as well add another idea.

 

If TW turns up scum, Fermion should shoot d3mon at night. If d3mon is not lying about his commuter ability he wont get killed and we know for certain d3mon is town because a scum commuter makes no sense. If d3mon is scum he will die and thats another scum dead. If he does not die we can lynch iSoc and SM the next 2 nights and wrap up this win for the town.

I wouldn't recommend trying to kill me if tW was found scum, a tracker investigation on both me and SM should be enough to find if one of us is scum or not. If neither of us performs an action in the night, we can conclude that iSoc is scum.

 

If TW is town, then I would recommend taking out Rafay/KevinH as then we don't have the liberty of having multiple investigative abilities and we would need to get lucky with vig kills.

Also, just to add to it, if tW is found scum.. we would probably win this game easily from here.

 

 

I wouldn't recommend trying to kill me if tW was found scum, a tracker investigation on both me and SM should be enough to find if one of us is scum or not. If neither of us performs an action in the night, we can conclude that iSoc is scum.

 

Why wouldnt you recommend it?

 

Scum need only 1 person to do the kill not 2. So even if you are tracked and the result is you did no action, that doesn't prove that you are not scum.

From now on I'm going to do whatever Imran does because he's the only person I trust here.  I'm not changing my vote because I think you'll all think I'm scum if I do, but after we lynch TW, who must be scum (Imran says so) I will be under Imran's thumb, so don't piss him off, or else.

Alright. If tW turns out to be scum, I'll target D3mon. If not, I'll target Rafay

From now on I'm going to do whatever Imran does because he's the only person I trust here.  I'm not changing my vote because I think you'll all think I'm scum if I do, but after we lynch TW, who must be scum (Imran says so) I will be under Imran's thumb, so don't piss him off, or else.

^ Well thats a bit premature as we dont know if TW is scum or not. But since he hasnt posted here I am assuming he is. Because a townie getting lynched normally gives reactions from outrage, disappointment, "you killed the only townie who could save you!" etc reactions. Nothing from him of that kind yet.

Per the rules, nobody can change their vote once the lynch has been reached.  We're waiting for Robert2424 to announce the end of the day so we can go into the Night phase.

 

D3mon, can you commute tonight?

 

Fermion, make your own choice but it's bad form to announce it because the scum might have some sort of protective ability.

 

I wouldn't recommend trying to kill me if tW was found scum, a tracker investigation on both me and SM should be enough to find if one of us is scum or not. If neither of us performs an action in the night, we can conclude that iSoc is scum.

 

Why wouldnt you recommend it?

 

Scum need only 1 person to do the kill not 2. So even if you are tracked and the result is you did no action, that doesn't prove that you are not scum.

 

 

Agreed but there would be just 2 scum left and one has to do the action. If neither of the two investigated makes an action then the third must be the one who did the kill. I don't see a need to force my hand into making an action or take a action that increases the probability of town loss when there is just a simple mathematical elimination that can be done to ensure town wins.

 

Also, as I mentioned, I have a limited number of actions, so I would much rather keep the option open to use the ability of not.

If tW is scum and lynched, it would be 5 v 2 next morning and we would have enough time/information to easily take the game home.

On N1 Mand visited Kev

 

On N2 Imran was visited by TheDoom, Mand, COD 

On N1 Mand visited Kev

 

On N2 Imran was visited by TheDoom, Mand, COD 

Huh?  What does that mean?  You know this how?

Per the rules, nobody can change their vote once the lynch has been reached.  We're waiting for Robert2424 to announce the end of the day so we can go into the Night phase.

 

D3mon, can you commute tonight?

 

Fermion, make your own choice but it's bad form to announce it because the scum might have some sort of protective ability.

But he hasn't been lynched.  What do you mean once the lynch has been reached?  And, like I said, I have not plans to change my vote, Kev, but it seems you are telling me I can't change it even if I do want to.  If night hasn't come, why couldn't I change my vote?  I think you're all making this up as you go along - very scummy. 

 

Continue to vote Keven H

He's the Watcher. 

 

Chaplain of Death, can you confirm you visited Imran Night 2? And what's your role, anyway?

He's the Watcher. 

 

Chaplain of Death, can you confirm you visited Imran Night 2? And what's your role, anyway?

2. ... A majority of votes is required to lynch before deadline.Unless the game proves inactive, and the rule will change to whoever has the most votes.

 

Also from http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lynch:

"Once a player receives a majority vote, that player is typically killed at the earliest opportunity the moderator gets. Upon death, the moderator will reveal the deceased player's role and alignment (unless the game mechanics say otherwise). Afterward, the game will proceed to Night."

 

 

 

Huh?  What does that mean?  You know this how?

 

I watched Mand and Imran during night t see who visited them. 

 

These ppl visited them. 

THIS GAME IS UNDER REVIEW AND NOW ON PAUSE AS IVE BEEN ALEARTED OF EVERYONE CLIAMING. WARNINGS MAY BE SENT OUT AS I DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH YOU ALL.

I don't see a problem.

 

8. Role Claiming is allowed. Mass role claiming is not. Work for your win you slackers.

 

See http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roleclaim

 

Imran claimed when he had results to report.

 

I claimed when I was in line to be lynched.

 

Rafay claimed when I outed him.

 

It's Day 3 and several people are already dead; what exactly were you expecting?

Lol

 

 

 

I wouldn't recommend trying to kill me if tW was found scum, a tracker investigation on both me and SM should be enough to find if one of us is scum or not. If neither of us performs an action in the night, we can conclude that iSoc is scum.

Why wouldnt you recommend it?

 

Scum need only 1 person to do the kill not 2. So even if you are tracked and the result is you did no action, that doesn't prove that you are not scum.

Agreed but there would be just 2 scum left and one has to do the action. If neither of the two investigated makes an action then the third must be the one who did the kill. I don't see a need to force my hand into making an action or take a action that increases the probability of town loss when there is just a simple mathematical elimination that can be done to ensure town wins.

 

Also, as I mentioned, I have a limited number of actions, so I would much rather keep the option open to use the ability of not.

Doesn't look like a very valid reason. You are probably scum who got caught lying about your role.