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[ccabal86]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36094575

 

I have nothing to add.

[Rafay]

No words really. What the fuck???

[Lysistrata]

One simple lethal injection and everyone can just get on with their day.

[ccabal86]

Lethal injections are actually very expensive and inefficient. Bullets are a lot cheaper.

[onbekende]

And some think our society is under attack from foreighners, while the natives themselfes don't know what their societies norms are...

 

The judge spoke about his now almost 5y of near complete isolation, even from his guards.

 

Also, this

[ccabal86]

And some think our society is under attack from foreighners, while the natives themselfes don't know what their societies norms are...

I completely agree. The biggest problem are the regressive leftists who use the premise of human rights to shield murderers and terrorists and want the silent majority to unconditionally adapt to the whims of any minority, in order not to "offend them".

[Wolfpacks]

Political correctness gone completely wrong, I hate these bleeding hearts who think the killers life is more important then the victims, that is so fucked up

[Robert2424]

I hate Political Correctness. 

 

That being said, I feel Jesus would be Political incorrect all the time and I love it. 

[Shahenshah]

Look at that prison cell! wtf lol. How much you'd pay rent for anything like that in a big urban city?! 

 

[Rafay]

One simple lethal injection and everyone can just get on with their day.

 

Amen.

 

Lethal injections are actually very expensive and inefficient. Bullets are a lot cheaper.

 

Not really. Just do a Morphine overdose.  

[Lazarus Hex]

Jesus is that the Hilton that they have him staying in? What the fuck kind of luxury prison is that? LOL

[iSocialism]

the right not to be subjected to inhuman treatment represented "a fundamental value in a democratic society" and also applied to "terrorists and killers".

Democratic society, let him out into the yard, and have the guards turn their backs. Let's see how a small democracy choose his punishment.

[Rhizoctonia]

I wouldn't mind going to jail with those type cells....damn.  Didn't know Hilton made jail cells

[onbekende]

 

And some think our society is under attack from foreighners, while the natives themselfes don't know what their societies norms are...

I completely agree. The biggest problem are the regressive leftists who use the premise of human rights to shield murderers and terrorists and want the silent majority to unconditionally adapt to the whims of any minority, in order not to "offend them".

 

In what way are murderers and terrorists "shielded"? The rule of law and the walk of justice are still present. And we should care that when good/evil gets into a black/white system we run the risk of losing the finer workings of society itself.

 

Political correctness gone completely wrong, I hate these bleeding hearts who think the killers life is more important then the victims, that is so fucked up

But can we distinguish the so called "political correctness" from basic human decency. Also in no way is his life more important then the victims, it is just a good thing when a society applies morals, it is best applied universally instead of whimsically.

 

 

as for the prison cell, firstly I kinda doubt he has such accomodations, they are more for end-term inmates. Secondly Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world precisely cause they use cells like those.

[W1Ck3d]

"When criminals in Norway leave prison, they tend to stay out. Norway's recidivism rate of 20% is one of the lowest in the world. By contrast in the UK it's about 45%, while in the US more than 76% of prisoners are re-arrested within five years."

Hard to argue that their system doesn't work though with statistics like that. Something they're doing is clearly working.

[ccabal86]

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35813470
 

Breivik's world

• Three cells - one for sleeping, one for studying, one for exercising - plus daily access to exercise yard
• Can play video games, watch TV and read newspapers
• Has a computer (without internet access)
• Can prepare his own food and do his own washing
• Has phone conversations with a "female friend"
• Contact with prison staff, lawyers, a priest, health professionals
• Has declined to play chess with volunteers
• Built a gingerbread house as part of a prison competition

 

In general, I agree that the Norwegian prison system works very well. Unfortunately, precisely because it's principles are applies universally and not selectively, travesties such as this happen.

 

In the natural world that surrounds us there is an exception to every rule. It is incredibly hard if not impossible to make statements and observations to which there is no exception. It's how the universe seems to work. It's a fact that we should embrace. Then, I ask, why should our legal systems be an exception? Rigid systems are bound to fail, you need certain failsafes that permit some flexibility.

[Blade 619]

Lethal injections are actually very expensive and inefficient. Bullets are a lot cheaper.

 

That they are.... and more effective.

 

Even cheaper is to use the pneumatic bolt systems they use on livestock.

[ccabal86]

Off-topic, but what about the US cases where the mix caused the prisoner to agonize for hours?

[Lysistrata]

Off-topic, but what about the US cases where the mix caused the prisoner to agonize for hours?

Over complicating the whole thing. Use surgical anesthesia and stop the heart... no pain and too easy... but the bullet is better.

[onbekende]

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35813470
 

Breivik's world

• Three cells - one for sleeping, one for studying, one for exercising - plus daily access to exercise yard
• Can play video games, watch TV and read newspapers
• Has a computer (without internet access)
• Can prepare his own food and do his own washing
• Has phone conversations with a "female friend"
• Contact with prison staff, lawyers, a priest, health professionals
• Has declined to play chess with volunteers
• Built a gingerbread house as part of a prison competition

In general, I agree that the Norwegian prison system works very well. Unfortunately, precisely because it's principles are applies universally and not selectively, travesties such as this happen.

 

In the natural world that surrounds us there is an exception to every rule. It is incredibly hard if not impossible to make statements and observations to which there is no exception. It's how the universe seems to work. It's a fact that we should embrace. Then, I ask, why should our legal systems be an exception? Rigid systems are bound to fail, you need certain failsafes that permit some flexibility.

Exceptions are certainly present, for instance his 30min suicide watch, the thurough scruteny of his correspondence, the total isolation and mandatory use of restraints when moving from chamber to chamber. I do think he got a regime tailored specifically for himself, its just that some parts have been found clashing with rules surrounding human rights which Norway has vowed to uphold.

 

Off-topic, but what about the US cases where the mix caused the prisoner to agonize for hours?

yeah never really got the idea behind making it so complicated, you could basically go for an induced OD on numerous anestethics who double as muscle relaxers.