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[Finster Baby]

Rhizo's info is good enough for me.

Unfortunately, this is likely the last day we get info.

VOTE: Canik

Did you get any other investigative info?

[iSocialism]

What were you other night actions? I don't know if I kissed them or if you didn't say.

[Wolfpacks]

Unvote COD
for now as I still think he is scum as is Preston, but I believe Rhizo

Vote Canik

[Preston]

I'll reply more in depth tomorrow, but here are some thoughts on Rhizo's roleclaim for now:

Curious for the town to get a JoAT - I've almost always seen that role as scum-aligned. When I played a long time ago and had a scum JoAT I tried to claim I was a town JoAT - and immediately all the experienced people jumped up their suspicion of me. I am curious about Kevin's take on this.

Claiming a JoAT's cop result means that if we have a full/normal cop they won't counter-claim - which means we can potentially get more scum identified if Rhizo has pointed us to one here. So it may not be the last day we get info at all.

iSocialism raises a valid question about what Rhizo did with his JoAT on N1. Assuming it was another investigative result, that's worth sharing - especially if Rhizo is truly town and thus up for the chop tonight; if not said now, it may not be said at all. Plus it could serve to better confirm Rhizo's claim.

Rhizo addresses what would have been my second question - why he started the day with 1cecream instead of Canik if you had a positive result on the latter. The rationale given is that he wanted to get rid of 1cecream today and then use his vigilante kill on Canik at night. What I do not understand is why the Wolfpacks wagon meant that plan had to change - why roleclaim to stop a wagon on one of his existing/stated suspects? If he started the day intending to push to lynch someone other than Canik and then vig kill Canik at night, I'm not sure why testing a different one of his suspects forced his hand. For that matter, roleclaiming NOW means he may not get to use his vigilante kill at all... any townie roleclaiming right now KNOWS both doctor and watcher are dead, and therefore their own death is very probable immediately thereafter. It doesn't seem to add up to me (or at least it's not the best idea as Rhizo states), so I'd like more of an explanation here.

So let's look at the possibilities for Rhizo's claim:

1. He is truly a town JoAT, and his result on Canik is real. This would be a significant windfall because it would give us a confirmed scum to get us back in the game and we'd still have our actual cop (hopefully) to work with for another - possibly more than one. It also means he just majorly shot himself in the foot by claiming this early, and if killed tonight he'll lose the ability to use his vig kill or any further investigative abilities.
2. He is actually scum, but he is correctly pointing out Canik in a sacrifice play to prove himself. If he is actually a scum JoAT, that would help keep him safe from suspicion if we have a role cop that reveals his role.
3. He is actually scum, and Canik is town. In this instance Canik would be a further 'mis-lynch', but if Rhizo has an actual scum JoAT vig kill then scum could get TWO kills tonight... I dont THINK that would end the game, but we'd be very close to it at that point.

At minimum I would like to hear about Rhizo's N1 actions before we commit to lynching Canik, in case it contains anything that someone else can confirm or refute to better inform the decision. It is also important to get out all the information that we can if Rhizo is actually town and ending the day means losing whatever he learned/did N1.

If we lynch Canik today to test Rhizo's claim, we can eliminate scenario 3 above if Canik flips scum. If Canik flips town, then Rhizo gets one more night of his JoAT (and we can expect two kills), but then Rhizo would be lynched tomorrow.

-Preston

[Chaplain of death]

So anyway, I wanted to present my info I have to give and put my input on what this all means for the rest of true town. It's maybe not the best move to make for myself to present this, but nonetheless I think town need some help as we're down 3 townies so far...2 PR's dead, another exposed with Kevin, and a VT role exposed with Lego.

Town still has a shot, but nonetheless town need to be smart from this point forward. Cant rely on PR's to win it for you

What I have to present is the Canik is 100% scum. I used my cop power last night on Canik and got

Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

My role: You are Professor Lockhart, a Hogwarts Jack of All Trades

I started out today knowing Canik was scum, and a big gut feeling that 1cecream was scum. I was hoping that I could get enough town to vote 1cecream, we knock him off today, and I use my vig kill on Canik tonight, and knock 2 scum out. Unfortunately I only got Lego interested in my wagon on 1cecream, and tbh, the lack of votes on 1cecream everytime I've put him up makes me think I'm likely right about him, plus what I've presented in the past and him staying away from posting here but seen him logged on forums. But then Canik wanted to start trying to play the aggressor and look to lynch Lego, and honestly, Canik is a smart player and a lot more active then 1cecream that I think he needs to go before tomorrow comes and he looks to swing some of our easy persuadable newer players. I tried to push a lynch on him, but all roads seem to be going to Wolfpacks, as Lego left my wagon to join Wolf, and I have a feeling Canik was going to remain quiet the remainder of the day to prevent me calling him out anymore.

I've been very vocal, and though I may not be 100% correct on anyone, I have been the main pusher on people, and I have a feeling I may of gotten lynched tonight, so I wasn't going to die without saying it, nor am I going to have us mislynch tonight.

So if I do die tonight, I wanted to make sure I gave all the info I can

100% Scum - Canik

Verified and 100% town:

Lego - His RC, anyone tries to refute this anymore town should look to lynch them + Canik tried to just get him lynched
KevinH - RC, I believe
Maz - I can say without a any doubt he's town. He was quick on my wagon on Canik...no scum would jump on a wagon of fellow scum that quickly. Canik also tried to add suspicion to him
Me - I'm town
D34th - Pretty sure town, though he's letting scum persuade him.

There is 5 confirmed town out of 15 players. That means there is 10 others, and at least half our scum. Anyone looks to push a lynch on the above 5, I would look to lynch. Town should not let any scum try to tell you differently.

AbT - I'm feeling likely he's town. I was a bit weary of him due to his persona this game compared to others, but it seems he doesn't have time and looking for a replacement. He's voted with me on 1cecream and Canik. I certainly would be weary at this point of anyone trying to lynch him

Wolfpacks - Has made some suspicious choices. It's his second game I believe, and I can understand him looking to change it up from his last because of the bad attention he got last game. I'm starting to believe that he's telling the truth, as I think the wagon on him involves some scum currently. I am leaning town for wolf.

Wolfpacks Wagon - Currently Preston, CoD, Isocialism, D34th, Lego

As I already stated, Lego and D34th are part of my confirmed town team, so knock them out. However they're examples of why I feel the need to do this now, because of how easily they can be persuaded.

That leaves Preston, CoD, and Isocialism. If I were a betting man, I'd say at least 1 if not 2 or all 3 are scum. I see this as a possible distraction off Canik, and being the veteran players they all are, I could see them finding the most suspicious town person to go after. Town be weary of them. Kevin quoted that Preston and Canik were both trying to lynch Lyner D1, keep that in mind. Not saying they'll are scum, as WP has done some odd things and could be town feeling that way, but I would wager 1 or more of those 3 are. I find going off my list, hard to imagine all 3 are town.

FB - Getting a town vibe, AbT who I also feel more townish atm has also made a remark on why he believes he was wrong on FB and that he think's he's likely town.

SM - Brought up Maz shortly after Canik did, been cautious of her.

Isocialism - Playing more like he did when he was scum. Last game or so when he was town, a lot more active, a lot more scum hunting.

Samus - Had town vibe, yet he's not posted but has posted in other forum areas over the past days. I also saw him reading this very topic with no reply yesterday I believe. I also called him out when Canik was trying to vote Lego today(D3), since he said before anyone voting lego on D2 was suspicious in his eyes, yet nothing. Last game when he was town, he was all over everyone trying to scum hunt...this game he hasn't. He's been dropped from my town list, but he was against Rafay lynch and Lego lynch so he is more favorable in terms of town.

So to summarize:

Confirmed town:

Me
Lego
Kevin
Maz
D34th

Townie Vibe:

AbT
FB
Wolfpacks

Scum:
Canik - 100%
1cecream - fairly certain

Whose left:

Preston
CoD
Isocialism
SM
Samus

Hypothetically, if I was 100% correct, town has to decide out of the bottom 5 I just mentioned, who the other 3-4 scum are. I like those odds. Not saying I am though. ABT/FB could be scum, but for me I feel townish atm, especially ABT with his voting. I think the shift in wagon of Wolfpacks tonight is making me feel townish for him, same feeling I got with Rafay vote.

If there's a town cop or rolecop, I'd look into some of bottom 5 and/or 1cream to verify my feelings.

I would keep a close eye on what Preston and CoD do. Both veteran players, both are smart. If they're scum, they will make it tough to know.

Be aware there is going to be a Ninja and a Godfather most likely. They both have been in every game of TW's

Anyway, lynch the scum today, and see what tomorrow brings. I feel I've provided a good analysis for town to look at going forward if I'm killed tonight. I wanted to see where some went, the likes of 1cecream, FB, SM, and Samus...but none have either cared to post and/or choose a person. It's pathetic that we're 5 days after the start of this day and less then 1/2 have done any contribution, it took today for more people to seemingly come alive. I'm going to be busy over the weekend with work, and I don't have time to wait for the likes of these to make their choice before I RC when by the next time I can spend time to post WP could be lynched...so I waited until the last moment I felt I could to do so. Sucks because I wanted to see where they went in terms of votes, but I put my analysis of them that I feel without a vote.

Also apologize to Canik. I realize I came off a bit aggressive in nature towards you, and certainly wasn't meant in disrespect, simply I had known information from my investigation that I became quite blunt in some of my remarks. Apologize for that, hopefully one game we're together either both town or scum.

Spent way to long writing this up, need sleep, good night and happy Scum Lynching

So to get the obvious out of the way in trying to confirm your claim, what actions did you preform night 1?

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If we have a confirmed scum then we should lynch him, ill wait till Rhizo confirms his RC first

[legoboyvdlp]

Unvote

Vote Canik

[Rhizoctonia]

What were you other night actions? I don't know if I kissed them or if you didn't say.

 

 

I'll reply more in depth tomorrow, but here are some thoughts on Rhizo's roleclaim for now:

Curious for the town to get a JoAT - I've almost always seen that role as scum-aligned. When I played a long time ago and had a scum JoAT I tried to claim I was a town JoAT - and immediately all the experienced people jumped up their suspicion of me. I am curious about Kevin's take on this.

Claiming a JoAT's cop result means that if we have a full/normal cop they won't counter-claim - which means we can potentially get more scum identified if Rhizo has pointed us to one here. So it may not be the last day we get info at all.

iSocialism raises a valid question about what Rhizo did with his JoAT on N1. Assuming it was another investigative result, that's worth sharing - especially if Rhizo is truly town and thus up for the chop tonight; if not said now, it may not be said at all. Plus it could serve to better confirm Rhizo's claim.

Rhizo addresses what would have been my second question - why he started the day with 1cecream instead of Canik if you had a positive result on the latter. The rationale given is that he wanted to get rid of 1cecream today and then use his vigilante kill on Canik at night. What I do not understand is why the Wolfpacks wagon meant that plan had to change - why roleclaim to stop a wagon on one of his existing/stated suspects? If he started the day intending to push to lynch someone other than Canik and then vig kill Canik at night, I'm not sure why testing a different one of his suspects forced his hand. For that matter, roleclaiming NOW means he may not get to use his vigilante kill at all... any townie roleclaiming right now KNOWS both doctor and watcher are dead, and therefore their own death is very probable immediately thereafter. It doesn't seem to add up to me (or at least it's not the best idea as Rhizo states), so I'd like more of an explanation here.

So let's look at the possibilities for Rhizo's claim:

1. He is truly a town JoAT, and his result on Canik is real. This would be a significant windfall because it would give us a confirmed scum to get us back in the game and we'd still have our actual cop (hopefully) to work with for another - possibly more than one. It also means he just majorly shot himself in the foot by claiming this early, and if killed tonight he'll lose the ability to use his vig kill or any further investigative abilities.
2. He is actually scum, but he is correctly pointing out Canik in a sacrifice play to prove himself. If he is actually a scum JoAT, that would help keep him safe from suspicion if we have a role cop that reveals his role.
3. He is actually scum, and Canik is town. In this instance Canik would be a further 'mis-lynch', but if Rhizo has an actual scum JoAT vig kill then scum could get TWO kills tonight... I dont THINK that would end the game, but we'd be very close to it at that point.

At minimum I would like to hear about Rhizo's N1 actions before we commit to lynching Canik, in case it contains anything that someone else can confirm or refute to better inform the decision. It is also important to get out all the information that we can if Rhizo is actually town and ending the day means losing whatever he learned/did N1.

If we lynch Canik today to test Rhizo's claim, we can eliminate scenario 3 above if Canik flips scum. If Canik flips town, then Rhizo gets one more night of his JoAT (and we can expect two kills), but then Rhizo would be lynched tomorrow.

-Preston

 

 

 

So anyway, I wanted to present my info I have to give and put my input on what this all means for the rest of true town. It's maybe not the best move to make for myself to present this, but nonetheless I think town need some help as we're down 3 townies so far...2 PR's dead, another exposed with Kevin, and a VT role exposed with Lego.

Town still has a shot, but nonetheless town need to be smart from this point forward. Cant rely on PR's to win it for you

What I have to present is the Canik is 100% scum. I used my cop power last night on Canik and got

Result: Non-Helpful Hogwarts Student/Staff

My role: You are Professor Lockhart, a Hogwarts Jack of All Trades

I started out today knowing Canik was scum, and a big gut feeling that 1cecream was scum. I was hoping that I could get enough town to vote 1cecream, we knock him off today, and I use my vig kill on Canik tonight, and knock 2 scum out. Unfortunately I only got Lego interested in my wagon on 1cecream, and tbh, the lack of votes on 1cecream everytime I've put him up makes me think I'm likely right about him, plus what I've presented in the past and him staying away from posting here but seen him logged on forums. But then Canik wanted to start trying to play the aggressor and look to lynch Lego, and honestly, Canik is a smart player and a lot more active then 1cecream that I think he needs to go before tomorrow comes and he looks to swing some of our easy persuadable newer players. I tried to push a lynch on him, but all roads seem to be going to Wolfpacks, as Lego left my wagon to join Wolf, and I have a feeling Canik was going to remain quiet the remainder of the day to prevent me calling him out anymore.

I've been very vocal, and though I may not be 100% correct on anyone, I have been the main pusher on people, and I have a feeling I may of gotten lynched tonight, so I wasn't going to die without saying it, nor am I going to have us mislynch tonight.

So if I do die tonight, I wanted to make sure I gave all the info I can

100% Scum - Canik

Verified and 100% town:

Lego - His RC, anyone tries to refute this anymore town should look to lynch them + Canik tried to just get him lynched
KevinH - RC, I believe
Maz - I can say without a any doubt he's town. He was quick on my wagon on Canik...no scum would jump on a wagon of fellow scum that quickly. Canik also tried to add suspicion to him
Me - I'm town
D34th - Pretty sure town, though he's letting scum persuade him.

There is 5 confirmed town out of 15 players. That means there is 10 others, and at least half our scum. Anyone looks to push a lynch on the above 5, I would look to lynch. Town should not let any scum try to tell you differently.

AbT - I'm feeling likely he's town. I was a bit weary of him due to his persona this game compared to others, but it seems he doesn't have time and looking for a replacement. He's voted with me on 1cecream and Canik. I certainly would be weary at this point of anyone trying to lynch him

Wolfpacks - Has made some suspicious choices. It's his second game I believe, and I can understand him looking to change it up from his last because of the bad attention he got last game. I'm starting to believe that he's telling the truth, as I think the wagon on him involves some scum currently. I am leaning town for wolf.

Wolfpacks Wagon - Currently Preston, CoD, Isocialism, D34th, Lego

As I already stated, Lego and D34th are part of my confirmed town team, so knock them out. However they're examples of why I feel the need to do this now, because of how easily they can be persuaded.

That leaves Preston, CoD, and Isocialism. If I were a betting man, I'd say at least 1 if not 2 or all 3 are scum. I see this as a possible distraction off Canik, and being the veteran players they all are, I could see them finding the most suspicious town person to go after. Town be weary of them. Kevin quoted that Preston and Canik were both trying to lynch Lyner D1, keep that in mind. Not saying they'll are scum, as WP has done some odd things and could be town feeling that way, but I would wager 1 or more of those 3 are. I find going off my list, hard to imagine all 3 are town.

FB - Getting a town vibe, AbT who I also feel more townish atm has also made a remark on why he believes he was wrong on FB and that he think's he's likely town.

SM - Brought up Maz shortly after Canik did, been cautious of her.

Isocialism - Playing more like he did when he was scum. Last game or so when he was town, a lot more active, a lot more scum hunting.

Samus - Had town vibe, yet he's not posted but has posted in other forum areas over the past days. I also saw him reading this very topic with no reply yesterday I believe. I also called him out when Canik was trying to vote Lego today(D3), since he said before anyone voting lego on D2 was suspicious in his eyes, yet nothing. Last game when he was town, he was all over everyone trying to scum hunt...this game he hasn't. He's been dropped from my town list, but he was against Rafay lynch and Lego lynch so he is more favorable in terms of town.

So to summarize:

Confirmed town:

Me
Lego
Kevin
Maz
D34th

Townie Vibe:

AbT
FB
Wolfpacks

Scum:
Canik - 100%
1cecream - fairly certain

Whose left:

Preston
CoD
Isocialism
SM
Samus

Hypothetically, if I was 100% correct, town has to decide out of the bottom 5 I just mentioned, who the other 3-4 scum are. I like those odds. Not saying I am though. ABT/FB could be scum, but for me I feel townish atm, especially ABT with his voting. I think the shift in wagon of Wolfpacks tonight is making me feel townish for him, same feeling I got with Rafay vote.

If there's a town cop or rolecop, I'd look into some of bottom 5 and/or 1cream to verify my feelings.

I would keep a close eye on what Preston and CoD do. Both veteran players, both are smart. If they're scum, they will make it tough to know.

Be aware there is going to be a Ninja and a Godfather most likely. They both have been in every game of TW's

Anyway, lynch the scum today, and see what tomorrow brings. I feel I've provided a good analysis for town to look at going forward if I'm killed tonight. I wanted to see where some went, the likes of 1cecream, FB, SM, and Samus...but none have either cared to post and/or choose a person. It's pathetic that we're 5 days after the start of this day and less then 1/2 have done any contribution, it took today for more people to seemingly come alive. I'm going to be busy over the weekend with work, and I don't have time to wait for the likes of these to make their choice before I RC when by the next time I can spend time to post WP could be lynched...so I waited until the last moment I felt I could to do so. Sucks because I wanted to see where they went in terms of votes, but I put my analysis of them that I feel without a vote.

Also apologize to Canik. I realize I came off a bit aggressive in nature towards you, and certainly wasn't meant in disrespect, simply I had known information from my investigation that I became quite blunt in some of my remarks. Apologize for that, hopefully one game we're together either both town or scum.

Spent way to long writing this up, need sleep, good night and happy Scum Lynching

So to get the obvious out of the way in trying to confirm your claim, what actions did you preform night 1?

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If we have a confirmed scum then we should lynch him, ill wait till Rhizo confirms his RC first

 

 

 

I'l go ahead and quote all 3 of them and answer their question together.  Town, make sure you take note of these 3 are the ones that are asking for my additional actions, and are 3 I just recently put into being suspect with their WP wagon.

 

Why should you take note of this....it's quite simple.

 

I laid out my last reply with not only what I had to give that was meaningful, along with my thoughts on from that, what I thought of everything.  If my other night action was meaningful or worth mentioning, I obviously would of added them to the post.

 

But more importantly, there is no benefit to me revealing my other night action.  I see it only of help to scum.

 

1. If I reveal my other action at night, scum will know what actions I have left.  They don't need to know what actions I've used and haven't used, I'm not giving them more information then they should.  They know one action I have left, which is Vig, which I already mentioned earlier

2.  They know even if I reveal my action, there is no way to verify them.  We already lost our Watcher, our tracker has RC'd and said already who he followed.  Two of which would possibly help verify my actions, but 1's dead and 1 hasn't tracked me.

3.  If I used my Doctor role, it's quite obvious it didn't work as the scum has gotten a kill each night.  There's no benefit in me stating if I used a doctor role or not on anyone, as if I did, then it obviously didn't work and tells us nothing on anyone.  There's also no way for anyone to verify this, as if I used it, the person I looked to protect isn't told they were protected by a doctor, and again, Watcher is dead and Tracker hasn't followed me (which these 3 already know)

4.  If I used my roleblock ability, there is also no reason to say who I used it on either.  If I did use it, If I roleblocked a VT, they wont know I did anyway and isn't verifiable.  If I used this role and said their name, you'd look to then question them if they can verify, which they would say they couldn't because they didn't use a role, which likely means they have no role, as I don't see many more PR's that are out there for town at this point that wouldn't be used every night (I see likely a cop and maybe a rolecop at most).  So now, I helped scum by taking another town off their list they don't have to look to take out at night, narrowing down the list of where the cop is.  Now if I roleblocked a town with a PR, they would know it.  You then would ask if they could verify, and either force them to roleclaim so they can verify or lie to stay hidden and claim a VT and not know.  I could potentially out our last PR, something a town wouldn't want to do, yet these 3 seem ok with.  And lastly, if I roleblocked a scum, they could easily lie and say I'm wrong to get me or some other town lynched.  

 

So after all is said and done, there's not a single reason for me to say what role, if any I used on a different night.  These 3, and everyone else already know we're down a watcher, a tracker has RC and already stated who he tracked which wasn't me, me using a doctor role could not be verified by anyone, nor has it obviously worked if I had, and a roleblock could lead to outing a VT, outing a PR, or give the opportunity of scum to look to lie and get a lynch on town tonight.  If there was anything I felt helpful with the power I did or didn't use on the other night, it would of been in my first write up.  There wasn't, and all this is, is an attempt to get information helpful to scum for tonight while looking to shine doubt about my claim.

I will only say I'm a traditional JOAT, used my cop action, and still have my Vig...the scum can guess if I have 1 or 2 other roles left besides Vig, and if only 1 what one it is.  

 

It comes down to if town want to believe me or not.  I've already laid out things about Canik that should also hopefully help you realize my information is true, from my suspicion D2, to him voting Lego D3 and trying to push a lynch there.  At the end of the day, I made a ballsy move to make sure we don't mislynch today, to help give 5 verified townies, prevent scum tomorrow looking to go after Maz which some I think we're trying to if I'm not around, and make sure I didn't get killed tonight while holding onto information of a verified scum.  I think i have outed some other scum in all this as well through today for people to look at.  If town don't want to believe me or allow scum to sway them, it wont be on me.  Losing a town today and tonight will pretty much sum up a win for scum, and I didn't want to see that, thus I came out sooner then I wanted.  

 

Now to Preston's points

 

1. He is truly a town JoAT, and his result on Canik is real. This would be a significant windfall because it would give us a confirmed scum to get us back in the game and we'd still have our actual cop (hopefully) to work with for another - possibly more than one. It also means he just majorly shot himself in the foot by claiming this early, and if killed tonight he'll lose the ability to use his vig kill or any further investigative abilities.

The purpose of me doing it...I think another mislynch and town will not be statistically done, but will be a uphill climb I don't have faith in.  I would assume there's still has a cop.  With me being a JOAT, there is no chance there's also backup Doctors or Cops or it would be way to much town favor...would mean 3 people could end up having doctor/cop powers.  There were both in TW's first game, but that was a rolemadness game, and this game we already have confirmed VT's.  I know I shot myself in the foot likely, but as I already stated I feel I was a likely target of scum tonight as well, as I think I've hit on some scum at this point and one of the more vocal.  Will depend if they scum want to go after me, Kevin, or search for the cop. Though I am really starting to believe this all means nothing to you, you're looking scum.

 

2. He is actually scum, but he is correctly pointing out Canik in a sacrifice play to prove himself. If he is actually a scum JoAT, that would help keep him safe from suspicion if we have a role cop that reveals his role.

 

 

Really?  Do you really think at this point in this game, I especially needed to go this far?  No one that I can recall has even put me on their possible suspect list, so I don't know why you would think if I was scum I'd go to this extent to make myself look town when I don't even have suspicion going my way.  Maybe make sense for people who people are unsure of or think is scum to out another scum. 

 

3. He is actually scum, and Canik is town. In this instance Canik would be a further 'mis-lynch', but if Rhizo has an actual scum JoAT vig kill then scum could get TWO kills tonight... I dont THINK that would end the game, but we'd be very close to it at that point.

 

Welp, I feel my actions speak for themselves.  The fact I can't recall anyone throwing me up as even really suspicious says enough.  I will let my gameplay speak for itself, I cannot force people to believe me or not.  At the end of the day, I've done now everything I can for town, if they let scum (you likely included) sway them to mislynch today when there's a confirmed scum, ain't gonna be my fault.
 

Curious for the town to get a JoAT - I've almost always seen that role as scum-aligned. When I played a long time ago and had a scum JoAT I tried to claim I was a town JoAT - and immediately all the experienced people jumped up their suspicion of me. I am curious about Kevin's take on this.

 

 

I can only comment on games I have played.

 

Robert's game i played in - I was a SK, I tried to claim a town JOAT, when in fact there was a town JOAT player already and discussion led to if there could be 2 town JOAT in one game

TW's Cybernations - Was a role madness game, was a scum and town JOAT

TW's HP 1st game - None I believe

Kevin's sharing is caring - None, but that was a specific setup of roles everyone knew

 

 

Also as something that I've thought of that makes my suspicion of Preston start to grow is the more I think about it, the more I'm surprised that Preston wouldn't of called out Kevin more then he did for revealing his night action if he was town.  To town, Kevin saying he tracked Preston and he didn't do anything means really nothing to town.  That could mean he's a VT, a PR who didn't do a power(very unlikely at this point), or could be a scum goon or Godfather who has no actions, but doesn't really tell us anything.  However, to Scum, Kevin outing this is quite beneficial if Preston was town.  With scum knowing who the town are, Kevin revealing Preston didn't do anything helps scum by suspecting Preston is likely a VT, and if not that, Kevin at least helped them know Preston isn't a cop.  A cop would be investigating every night, thus Scum can eliminate him as a possible Cop, which is what they're most looking for with Doc/Watcher being dead and the Tracker RC'd.  Yet he didn't seem all that bothered, it was me and ABT that seemed to question Kevin's choice of doing so.  

 

I'm not going to continue this day arguing with 3 people who are on my suspect list and part of a possible distraction off my lynch on Canik to begin with, nor do I have tons of time to do so as I already stated.  I've presented my information, either town wants to believe me or not.  I've ultimately did as much as I could, and left a lot of my input if I get killed tonight to use.

[Sister Midnight]

Holy wall of text batman!

FYI, in the game I quit after the first day, which was modded by TW, I wass the town JOAT. So you can't assume a JOAT can only be scum.

IRL, I'm at Newark airport headed for Quebec City. I will be able to participate at least 1x daily, probably more, but quoting and walls of text are tough. With that in mind, fellow townies, please consider the virtues of brevity when you post.

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[legoboyvdlp]

Hello! Enjoy the flight

 

At this time I feel we should trust Rhizo's claim. 

[iSocialism]

I just find it strange that there wasn't a joat last game and this game seems to be following that setup. Also OT it would been better to let WP go and get another night of actions in. Though, we carried another PR.

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I would still like to see others chip in and for candy to do some talking,so I'm withholding my vote til the end.

[Chaplain of death]

I thought i had seen JOATs with watcher and tracker abilities, hence my query about your other actions. Claiming that scum are trying to figure out what actions you have and have not used is kind of a stupid argument. You most likely still have your vig kill (since you already mentioned planning in using it), so they will most likely target you tonight.

My concern here is that you distanced yourself from wolfpacks by saying you were suspicious while still trying to push your canik wagon, and then when the wolfpacks wagon got enough steam to lynch him at deadline you come out with an unverifiable role claim stating Canik is scum. Seems odd.

Im also a bit confused because if you were truly suspicious of wolfpacks you could have lynched him and then vig killed canik without claiming. 0 risk of hitting a townie with it that way too. I suppose your logic is that either way the lynch or your vig kill is going to be an educated guess, but one way allows you to refrain from claiming, which would be the safer play considering you were in no danger.

^ this is why im hesitant to just throw my lot in with you.

Also just gonna point this out for less experienced townies; anyone who accuses others of being scum for questioning the information that someone provides when it is unverifiable, usually has something to hide, like their own alignment, or that their claim is fake. Not necessarily the case here, but always something to be wary of when someone gets hostile to questions.

[Canik]

Wow, Rhizo. Surprised you are willing to go to these lengths to get me killed. You are definitely going to be next when I'm lynched and confirmed as town. I guess with my out of the way though, one of the only ones suspicion of you, Lego & company, you will probably win. Only flaw is you pushed too soon, and too hard. You probably could've got me lynched without fake roleclaiming. Guess it doesn't change much though, even without roleclaiming once I died it would put a lot of heat on you either way. So smart move I guess, go ahead and ensure you get what you want, the consequences are the same either way.

Now I HAD to be onto some of the scum team for Rhizo to do this. At the end of D2 I was suspecting Rhizo/Lego/Samus/FB.. but killing me would put suspicion on all of them so surely it isn't the whole scum team, one would think. However we can at least confirm Rhizo and probably Lego as well. That still doesn't seem like enough for Rhizo to suicide though.. I can only imagine two scenarios

1 - No one I suspected beside Rhizo is scum. By him leading the wagon on me it ensures his death, and would make us assume that I had to be onto more than 1 suspect. Causing us to lynch 2, maybe even 3 innocent townie after me. That would be game right there, or close to it.

2 - 3 or more of my suspects are scum, but they figured no one would believe scum would be that bold and naturally look elsewhere. Protecting them for a couple of days while town mislynches in confusion.

Either scenario could be seen as worth sacrificing 1 scum.. and what's worse, I don't think we can tell which scenario it is. Leaving us with a very wide margin of error. This is really an ingenious plan. You say I'm smart Rhizo but I'm an idiot compared to whoever thought of this. xD

Best of luck to town figuring this out. Personally I'm leaning towards most of that group being scum. They've been putting a little distance between each other since then. Any who come in on the vote late can just say they believed Rhizo like everyone else.

[legoboyvdlp]

Funny scene:

 

 

 

Also, Canik:

Source: https://sarahsaysread.com/category/harry-potter/page/2/

 

 

 

 

So how do you explain your ''abnormal result'' if Rhizo's RC is true?

Also, cause I love this scene:

 

 

Another scene

[Ali bin Turban]

So we have a guy that drives town's scumhunting on D3 and then he roleclaims in order to make sure "scum" gets lynched. And we have people here that think it's possible that Rhizo is a scum????

 

In other words...Rhizo (let's assume for a brief moment he's a scum), the guy that no one suspects has suddenly decided to step out and sacrifice himself just to take out some random (albeit active) town...just to be lynched on the following day (because if Canik is a town then it means Rhizo has faked his claim). It does not make any sense.

We're not in LYLO situation, we've made just one mislynch so far (so scums can not trade 1 for 1 with town, or 1 for 2 assuming night kill), noone has pressed Rhizo to make "desperation move". It does not make sense for him to do such thing as a scum. 

 

Canik theories are just so unlikely that they enter the realm of bed time stories. Guy that took the easy way to lynch Rafay now suddenly pins all scums with his suspicion and they're so afraid of that so they decide to sacrifice their best concealed asset to make suicide run (which ironically would have much more detrimental result as simply performing a night kill).

[Ali bin Turban]

Also my thoughts on the current situation:

 

Canik: I believe Rhizo

Wolfpacks : I believe scums are piling on him to save Canik - so he must be town.

Chaplain of Death: I think he's a scum. He's latching on other people backs to attack town (twice on me, once Lyner on D1 - he tried to imply that Lyner is making a fake RC) and is clearly not willing to vote on Canik.

Mazuurek: Has been on Canik's wagon before RC.

Ali bin Turban: Has been on Canik's wagon before RC.

D34THBR1NG3R: Probably town, but I don't know for sure, though he seems straightforward and not hiding anything.

Finster Baby: I've explained why I got townie feel out of him.

1ceCream: I was connecting him with Lego mostly...he still has scum feel, but not the primary target.

iSocialism: Not sure...votes on wrong people, not willing to vote on Canik.

KevinH: Was voted by CoD, so if CoD is scum, he must be town (for the record full list here: Ali bin Turban, Chaplain of Death, D34THBR1NG3R, Finster Baby, iSocialism, Preston, Mazuurek, Rafay)

legoboyvdlp: Canik votes on him, so he must be town.

Preston : Don't trust him - looks like as if he tries to spin Rhizo's claim.

Rhizoctonia: I believe his claim.

Samus : I don't think he helped town at all. Lurking on D3. Known only for shouting at Rafay / Lego's voters (Rafay voters - except for Canik all town, so it's easy to shout on them as a scum: KevinH, Canik, Lyner, legoboyvdlp, D34THBR1NG3R, Finster Baby)

Sister Midnight: Jumped on Canik, but a moment to late to get confirmed in my eyes. Still more townish than scummy.

 

Also, Rhizo I suggest you think hard about using your vigilante ability, because you'll most probably die on this night.

[Chaplain of death]

I think i gave a valid reason for them to try something a bit ballsy if wolfpacks was indeed scum, since the wagon was already going that way.

Also if Rhizos claim is real, why didn't he just vig kill Canik on the next night phase. He said he suspected wolfpacks and wolfpacks actions were scummy as hell in response to pressure, if Rhizo is town and sees that, why wouldn't he vote to lynch wolf and then just night kill Canik? It doesn't add up.

Im not saying that Rhizos claim is fake and Canik is town. Im saying there's no confirmation one way or the other and that's important to remember before we just 180 and follow rhizo

[legoboyvdlp]

I think we have the team: Canik, Preston, CoD, 1ceCream, and iSoc.

So pick em off, but don't forget to consider other guys on days 4 - end.
We are lynch -1 so come on vote and end it for canik

[Chaplain of death]

You can call it "latching on people's backs" or you can recognize that preston makes sound points that i tend to agree with. I did however make my own points about those people i was suspicious of, (albeit on completely false assumptions in ABTs case the first time).
I suppose the only way to confirm Rhizos claim at this point is to lynch canik and see how he comes up. >.>
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[Rhizoctonia]

 

active Let me see how this works, in Samus's view if you are inactive you need to be prodded, well that worked with Rafay didnt it mate,

 

yes prodded and then replaced if still remain inactive.

 

there's no point losing townies because of activity when they can simply be replaced with active players.

 

 

 

If Samus goes off his own thought process, he should be replaced.  

[legoboyvdlp]

I think D3 ended.

CoD if so gets townie points for hammering Canik.