The MSG Secure Hospital for the Criminally Insane (MSGSHCI)

"We don't call them inmates, we call them patients."

 

Night was falling on the hospital.

"Alright, into your room, come on..." a Nurse chivvied one of the patients into his cell, who had his head down. He slowly obeyed, but the guard in the corner of the room watched carefully. The Nurse began to shut the door, when suddenly a scream came up from a nearby cell. The guard turned. The nurse shut the door quickly, and turned to leave.

The patient's eyes, previously dull and submissive, became alert. He looked up quickly, and reached through the small window in his cell door and quickly plucked a key from the Nurse's back pocket. He withdrew his arm quickly before she turned around to check the cell had locked itself. A quick tug at the door, and she was satisfied enough, hurrying off to deal with the other patients.

 

The sound of footsteps slowly echoed through the corridors of the institution, made by the few people who were left on patrol. The inhabitants of this miserable place were now mostly quiet in their cells. Those who refused to be quiet had been sedated, and a slow calm was descending upon the place. Water dripped slowly from a leaky water pipe above one of the corridors. It was in this corridor where that one patient stood up from his bunk, and quietly unlocked the door. Something was about to happen.

Edited August 16, 200917 yr by molestargazer

might being the keyword...

This whole thing still is confusing to me but after reading and reading a couple of things seem to stick out...

 

Junkaholic said that we shouldn't lynch any body til the cop gets info on them, which looking back seems to make a strong case that we should have picked up the cop vibe from him. Junkaholic was against Kevin but wanted to lynch me. Knowing I am Town he did not obviously know who the scum were.

 

Nerau has said nothing one way or the other. Except for a couple of posts to explain game things and a 48 hour notice and a "Wow it was lucky " to kill the cop, there is nothing at all to go on. Very very quiet. It seems it may be that since Nerau knows about the game that silence is a way to not give anything away.

Don't believe everything you read.

 

My point was that it's recognized as a possible strategy. It's debatable whether it is optimal.

 

I'm voting to lynch now. I will vote to lynch for the rest of the game.

 

I don't think there is a second cop. That was a failed attempt at humor.

 

I'm not playing follow the cop. I don't have strong feeling about anyone being scum but we haave to lynch somebody and I think Falzis is as good a choice as any. Convince me differently and I'll change my vote.

Nerau has said nothing one way or the other. Except for a couple of posts to explain game things and a 48 hour notice and a "Wow it was lucky " to kill the cop, there is nothing at all to go on. Very very quiet. It seems it may be that since Nerau knows about the game that silence is a way to not give anything away.

 

ok ok enough said i have a little time to read the falzis kevinH argument

 

a few things i see

1. KevinH seems to be playing a very familar strategy and that is fine, since it has worked in the past, while jumping on falsiz with little reasoning may seem scummy, but with little to no evidence pressure voting may be the way to go at this time

 

2. falzis on the other hand counters Kevin saying that is reacting to votes, which seems to be a good thing in my opinion since if the player shows that they r not scummy then the player should react

 

i am sticking with kevin as his strategy seems to involve pressure forcing the opponent to slip up

 

that is just wat i got

 

correct if i am wrong

My gut feeling tells me that Falzis is not scum, for the simple fact that he has brought a lot of heat on himself by being active in his accusations. I really feel that this is townie-like, he is using our only source of power (discussion+voting) as townies to bring information to the fore-front. This will...

a) Reduce his survivability

Assist the town / his faction

 

Point is ridden with the WIFOM effect, simply because all of his conversation could be an effort to mislead the town as EM has been known to do in the past. However, point a) is simply not compatable with a scummy mindset, simply because the mafia's numbers are smaller and their members' lives are more precious to their faction. All in all, I would peg Falzis as a townie.

 

I can't quite put my finger on in, but Theophilos gives me a bad feeling. If I can pinpoint what it is, I'll share it.

 

 

By the way, sorry about my lack of posting. I've had several MRI's and CT scans, there's an abcess in my sinus cavity and I recently had a (first) seizure.

Sorry to hear that ...sounds painful. Hope you feel better soon...and this is just a game not important enough to worry about..just get well. sojourner

Get well soon Sir Jesus. Mango is rooting for you all the way!

 

I'm glad someone else agrees with my Falzis theory. I just think he's giving up way too much information and putting too much of himself out there to be scum. I've always thought that scum would try to just hang back and lurk in the shadows, hoping to avoid the glaring spotlight until the time was too late to stop them. Of course Falzis may be playing me for a fool but I just get a good feeling about him.

 

 

Falzis and Kevinh are scum.

 

I did this in case there is a psychologist. If there is, he will be able to ask the great mod Mole if this statement is true. As it stands now, Kevin and Falzis have the only votes. As it's going now ( no it's not set in stone) one of them will be lynched and if there is a shrink than we will know the identity of the other as well. Never hurts to cover your bases.

Narsis is still a bit vaguer than I'm used to from him so I'm not enlightened any further from his recent postings. But he asks good questions though.

 

Nerau is just as shadowy as ever. His statement saying "i am sticking with kevin as his strategy seems to involve pressure forcing the opponent to slip up" is completely laughable as I don't see Kevin's strategy as one of putting pressure to force opponents to slip up. If ever, his current strategy is to capitalize on anyone's slip up that he wasn't the cause of (due to his "pressuring" which I definitely don't see) and to lie low.

 

Martino is the one I would consider who is using pressure voting as a strategy. He was the one who brought the heat on me BUT he hasn't bought Kevin's statement hook, line and sinker (by pointing out disputable things) unlike...

 

Theophilos. He hasn't brought anything new to the table and just seems to be a yes man of Kevin.

 

 

******

 

 

My most likely to be scum list right now would be:

 

1. KevinH

2. Theophilos

3. Nerau

4. Narsis

5. sojourner

6. Martino

7. Aquinas

8. Sir Jesus

9. Electric Mango

 

KevinH has been muddling the discussion with the No Lynch debate since D1 and trying to portray Pro-Lynch on D1 townies as scums, which is misleading if not disingenuous to say the least. Plus jumping on my wagon putting me at a L-1 vote (if no majority, half majority which is 4 - kevin knows this). And he is the veteran player I've been alluding to in my past posts. I think he correctly guessed junk as the cop due to his role fishing posts.

 

Theophilos because of walking step by step with KevinH with little added value, if any. Lied low in D1. Jumping on my wagon with little ambiguous reasons (which makes it hard for me to defend, if you are town putting pressure on people you give them opportunity to defend themselves).

 

Nerau is very mysterious. His recent (incorrect) assessment of KevinH's is off. Call it gut feel or intuition but the main reason I'm suspicious of him is because he auspiciously posted right after the Night Kill, and with a nonchalant reply ("wow that was lucky" instead of "oh my god our cop is dead that was one lucky kill"). It suggests to me that maybe he was active when the NK was sent and that his reply is not indicative of concern for townie welfare. I know it might be a stretch but I'm just putting this out here.

 

Narsis is unusually not as talkative and articulate as before so I'm putting him here due to meta game suspicions. He has been keeping his opinions close to his chest and even when prodded is a bit vague.

 

sojourner because of my original suspicions of him. Not much to go by but that's also the reason I think he's scum due to playing under the radar. New players to Mafia would be very interested and participative in the game.

 

Martino is actually more townie than scummy in my perception. His voting for me is both townie and scummy since it could be a strategic pressure on me (which I appreciate btw since I've been the one putting the pressure before his post) or it could be an opportunistic jump on an easy person to argue voting for (since I have lots of posts to analyze). But the clincher is his engagement of not only my posts but others as well. He has consistently called out KevinH since D1 on disputable statements. Not giving a free pass to KevinH is definitely pro townie for me.

 

I peg Aquinas, Sir Jesus, and EM as most townie because of their agreement and defense of me since I know I'm townie and it's unscummy to not jump on my wagon right now because I am an easy pick with all the posts they can use to argue for my head. But I'm not giving them a free pass so I'm still cautious. Their activity is good and have substance too. I'd like for Aquinas to post more though.

 

This is not full proof since statistically one of the top four people I've listed could still be townie and I am reading them wrong. But nevertheless I think that at least two of the top four people I've listed are scum.

 

(no reads on party01 and Kaziocore, nothing really to get by)

 

Sorry for the long post.

 

tl;dr

 

Kevin and those in his camp are suspicious (except for Martino), Narsis is cryptic, sojourner is lying low, Aquinas, Sir Jesus and EM are doing fine. party01 and Kaziocore need to get here immediately!

 

(no reads on party01 and Kaziocore, nothing really to get by)

 

Then it turns out that one of us were mafias

 

I can't believe how hard this game could be. I think most of the time you win this game through luck.

That's a bad joke to make haha.

 

VOTE COUNT

Falzis (3): Martino, Theophilos, KevinH

KevinH (2): Electric Mango, Narsis

 

Not Voting (7): sojourner, Nerau, Sir Jesus, partyin01, Falzis, Kaziocore, Aquinas

 

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

 

By the way, sorry about my lack of posting. I've had several MRI's and CT scans, there's an abcess in my sinus cavity and I recently had a (first) seizure.

Bloody hell.

Consider yourself V/LA for as long as you need. If you want to be replaced, let me know.

Get well soon, mate.

Edited June 20, 200917 yr by molestargazer

My most likely to be scum list right now would be:

 

1. KevinH

2. Theophilos

3. Nerau

4. Narsis

5. sojourner

6. Martino

7. Aquinas

8. Sir Jesus

9. Electric Mango

 

KevinH has been muddling the discussion with the No Lynch debate since D1 and trying to portray Pro-Lynch on D1 townies as scums, which is misleading if not disingenuous to say the least. Plus jumping on my wagon putting me at a L-1 vote (if no majority, half majority which is 4 - kevin knows this). And he is the veteran player I've been alluding to in my past posts. I think he correctly guessed junk as the cop due to his role fishing posts.

 

Which would have been a pretty nice guess. most likely nerau was in the right when he said that they lynched junk due to his activity. it's rare for even mafia to get any good reads on people after a day like day 1...

 

Theophilos because of walking step by step with KevinH with little added value, if any. Lied low in D1. Jumping on my wagon with little ambiguous reasons (which makes it hard for me to defend, if you are town putting pressure on people you give them opportunity to defend themselves).

 

Nerau is very mysterious. His recent (incorrect) assessment of KevinH's is off. Call it gut feel or intuition but the main reason I'm suspicious of him is because he auspiciously posted right after the Night Kill, and with a nonchalant reply ("wow that was lucky" instead of "oh my god our cop is dead that was one lucky kill"). It suggests to me that maybe he was active when the NK was sent and that his reply is not indicative of concern for townie welfare. I know it might be a stretch but I'm just putting this out here.

 

Narsis is unusually not as talkative and articulate as before so I'm putting him here due to meta game suspicions. He has been keeping his opinions close to his chest and even when prodded is a bit vague.

 

actually, if you read my games besides these last few, then you will see that i'm generally quieter on the first few days.

 

sojourner because of my original suspicions of him. Not much to go by but that's also the reason I think he's scum due to playing under the radar. New players to Mafia would be very interested and participative in the game.

 

now that is false reasoning. it's the person, not their experience that determines how active they are, especially when they are new. i disagree entirely with your analysis of soj.

 

Martino is actually more townie than scummy in my perception. His voting for me is both townie and scummy since it could be a strategic pressure on me (which I appreciate btw since I've been the one putting the pressure before his post) or it could be an opportunistic jump on an easy person to argue voting for (since I have lots of posts to analyze). But the clincher is his engagement of not only my posts but others as well. He has consistently called out KevinH since D1 on disputable statements. Not giving a free pass to KevinH is definitely pro townie for me.

 

I peg Aquinas, Sir Jesus, and EM as most townie because of their agreement and defense of me since I know I'm townie and it's unscummy to not jump on my wagon right now because I am an easy pick with all the posts they can use to argue for my head. But I'm not giving them a free pass so I'm still cautious. Their activity is good and have substance too. I'd like for Aquinas to post more though.

 

the first part is total WIFOM. i wouldn't put it past scum to side with a townie in a debate, especially if both sides are townie. you will generally find scum smarter then you are assuming.

 

This is not full proof since statistically one of the top four people I've listed could still be townie and I am reading them wrong. But nevertheless I think that at least two of the top four people I've listed are scum.

 

(no reads on party01 and Kaziocore, nothing really to get by)

 

Sorry for the long post.

 

i actually enjoy people posting such long and detailed posts.

 

answers in bold.

 

tl;dr: i don't agree with most of Falzis's reasoning.

I can't believe how hard this game could be. I think most of the time you win this game through luck.

 

a little luck never hurts. although phycoanalysis and logic do play a greater role imo. takes some practice.

 

one way you could start, is by doing a post similar to Falzis on who you think is scum and why.

Could you do that too Narsis?

like i said i'm watching a few people...

EBWOP: that said...i should and probably will if i have some time later(poor excuse i know).

Narsis ..you left out commenting on some people in Falzis post.,

 

for instance no remarks on

Theo

Nerau

Martino

Aquinas

 

comments on

me, soj

yourself

Kevin

Aquinas

EM

SJ

 

any reason you did not comment on the first 4? sojourner

 

As for my vote, it still seems odd that Nerau has not put out any theories...

 

VOTE NERAU

ok if a theory you want a theory you get

 

KevinH or Falzis could be scum or could be two townies fighting each other it is hard to tell at the moment since it appears to me that neither is scum at the moment

 

Nerau is very mysterious. His recent (incorrect) assessment of KevinH's is off. Call it gut feel or intuition but the main reason I'm suspicious of him is because he auspiciously posted right after the Night Kill, and with a nonchalant reply ("wow that was lucky" instead of "oh my god our cop is dead that was one lucky kill"). It suggests to me that maybe he was active when the NK was sent and that his reply is not indicative of concern for townie welfare. I know it might be a stretch but I'm just putting this out here.

 

ok on to this i will tell you that i just lucky duck to find the thread open a few minutes after mole unlocked, which can be called me searching will being bored

 

i maybe right or wrong but that is ok since it opens info to be used plus i kinda of probably don't understand what you are saying which is to part of the problem

 

we can all claim to be town but is completely unlikely since the game is still going

 

a good mafia can hide in the town without getting picked up by anyone and those are the scary ones, it means that you wont know until the last minute. a good town can find the mafia without a lot of time. in each of these cases the other side is completely screw. but this easy way out may never happen since as people we make mistakes, which is why we put pressure on players so they slip up

 

sojouner i believe to be town enough he voted but he only vote so that i can speak more and it helps the town more

 

Martino i believe is also town b/c as falsiz said he only help put pressure for explainations to happen

 

Theo is hard to tell simply b/c he may be scum but could also be a new player just getting his wings i believe is more of the second case.

 

narsis just being himself and absorbing the info a trying to make sense of things which a good townie should do

 

Aquinas, Kaizcore, Party i can pick up anything to tell either way at the moment

Narsis ..you left out commenting on some people in Falzis post.,

 

for instance no remarks on

Theo

Nerau

Martino

Aquinas

 

comments on

me, soj

yourself

Kevin

Aquinas

EM

SJ

 

any reason you did not comment on the first 4? sojourner

 

umm...i had nothing to comment on. either i agreed with what Falzis said, or at the very least saw no real logic errors.

Going back, my whole case against Falzis stems from his voting to lynch and then making a few semi-misleading statements.

 

It's not a very strong case but I don't see anything better.

 

We should lynch somebody today. Vote and make your opinions known!

 

jumping on my wagon putting me at a L-1 vote

To me, L-1 means the next vote lynches. That will not be true until the deadline. My vote stands.

I agree with KevinH. If everyone votes it will start to become a lot more clear for the town where alliances stand. Remember that scum will not want attention brought on them so they'll try not to vote if they can help it. They would be happy just to sit back and pick us off one by one. Also voting can create pressure and the dialogs that develop from that will give us good insight.

Ok let me concretize my suspicions.

 

Vote: KevinH

Haiku:

 

junkahoolic died

was it electric mango

or was it falzis

Misleading. If you follow your own previous logic, your suspicion should be on sojourner. I'd be very surprised if you weren't scum Kevin. All of your actions have only buttressed my belief in your scuminess.

Nerau came through as suspected so

 

Unvote Nerau

 

Now, Falsis or Kevin

However, the case against Sojourner is weak because if I were scum I would kill somebody that voted for Sojourner so it looked like Sojourner was scum. A big WIFOM ...

Tell me again about my previous logic.