Yeah I forgot goldiron was a one shot watchers. Those aren't common. Well, replace watcher for confirmed Townie. I completely missed that.

@ SLMK - could we get a vote count soon?

​I think I'm gonna go ahead and..

​Vote KevinH

​To encourage more suspicion on him which there really, really should be. Yes his explainations have been great but KevinH is very experienced and intelligent. He could have came up with some of these defenses before the day even began. And yes iSoc has seemed frantic and some of his arguments very questionable but there is a fair chance it is his personality and/or for some reason he hasn't been thinking as clearly. There is also a fair chance he is just scum squirming like many are assuming but I just want to point out it still isn't a sure thing.

​And when I look at things I know are a fact.. I see KevinH visiting Frigid. I see Rafay supporting Kevin's narrative at the start of the day. 

​I do also see iSoc votes for two mislynches. But it is equally damning perhaps that KevinH has been on none and has almost entirely limited his focus to iSoc the entire game. 

If you believe Rafay is probably scum (and his quietness since I posted my tracker result is adding to my suspicion that he is).. and if you believe I am a tracker that is probably town.. then you should be taking a long hard look at Kevin still. 

​If I recall correctly someone earlier something along the lines "It wouldn't make sense for Kevin to lie because we'll find out once we lynch and then would lynch him if he was lying".. normally, that'd be true but after my tracker result maybe he didn't have much choice. When you're scum and your ousted, you do what you can to take out townies with you. Killing a town first before he dies would still be better than him just straight up dying and NOT taking out a town first.




 

I'm really happy to lynch either one, although I think iSoc is the scummier of the two. Your arguments make sense though. Particularly "almost entirely limited his focus to iSoc the entire game. " Which fits with his trying to bring down iSoc with him if he is scum. 

Consider that iSocialism was deserving of some suspicion and then he got caught.

 

I believe Canik is town and can understand the vote in that he saw me visit FrigidInferno but all I can say is that I'm town and that I used the watcher power last night.

In the end all we know for an absolute fact is that KevinH visited Frigid then Frigid died. This is a fact for everyone, not just myself, because KevinH confirms that he did visit Frigid.

​@ Kevin - why did you stay off the TW/Canik wagons yesterday? If not for Brewers it would've ended in no lynch. I didn't realize you were for no lynch on D2 as well.

To confirm Kevin you did not use the role night 1? Why not?

he did say it was a 1 shot. waiting a night would  give him better odds of guessing correctly. 

So here is what we are looking at for potential roles:

 

1)Night 3 Vigilante OR Vengeful
2)1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO- ISoc claims 1-Shot Vigi
3)Cop OR 1-Shot Redirector-Frigid was Cop
4)1-Shot Commuter OR 1-Shot Watcher-GoldIron was Watchers
5)Doctor OR Roleblocker-Lego is Rb
6)Universal Backup OR Role Cop-KevinH Claims Universal Backup (became watcher)
7)Neighborizer OR Fruit Vendor
8)Jailkeeper OR Tracker Canik tracker

 

so we have Brewers, Lachiton, Rafay, Robert, VGM and SBG left for the last two roles.  The roles that could have visited frigid are: watcher, 1 shot vigi, fruit vendor, role blocker, tracker, and scum

 

We can eliminate the fruit vendor based on flavor, and can eliminate roleblocker based on lego's claim

Canik was the tracker and he tracked Kevin, who confirmed he did visit Frigid.  So that means Kevin can be one of three potential roles:  1 shot vigi (which Isoc claimed), vanilla scum that did the kill, or the watcher.    I dont think its possible for Kevin to be the 1 shot vigi, as if he was, that would mean isoc would not have that role, and the watcher claim would be a lie thus making Isoc town, and he would most likely not lie about what actual town role he has.  So Kevin is either the 1 shot watcher, like he claimed or scum.  Now there is a chance he was the watcher and still preformed the scum kill.  This way, he could claim the role and say someone visited the person he killed, and be able to frame someone else.  Look, we dont know for sure if Isoc visited frigid at all, but we do know for sure if Kevin did.  And Kevin and Rafay teamed up right away to try to plant the seed that Isoc is scum.  I could be wrong about this, but its starting to look like Kevin was trying to plant the isoc seed the entire time, and then when he got accused he said it was Isoc (who he was in favor of lynching d2).  Also on D2, both kevin and Rafay stayed off the bandwagons, as we lynched a townie.  I am still very suspicious of Rafay as well.  I find it odd that he is very quiet on here, but then commented almost immediately after KevinH mentioned the Isoc thing to start the day.  Its almost as if he knew the post was coming and knew he needed to chime in....

 

vote:  KevinH

also, @MK can we get a vote update?

Sounds fair to me. Given that Canik found out my role, I definitely know that he is actually the tracker. So yeah, we know Kevin did visit, we don't know if iSoc actually did (though personally I think he did). The Rafay - Kevin on iSoc does make sense too. 

 

Unvote

 

Holding off to the last minute

Vote Count:

 

KevinH(3): iSocialism, Canik, brewersalliance

iSocialism (2): KevinH, Lachiton

Rafay (1): SeaBeeGipson

Canik(0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Lachiton (0):

Vgmmaster (0):

legoboyvdlp (0):

Robert2424 (0):

Brewersalliance (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Rafay, legoboyvdlp, Vgmmaster, Robert2424

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or 4 at deadline.

Deadline is Thursday, 1st February, 2018 at 10 am GMT.

Still have 4-5 days till deadline but I hope to hear more from Rafay, VGM, SBG, Robert well before then. I'm pretty certain 1, very likely 2 scum hiding out in there. 

​VGM made a decent post before altho it wasn't very conclusive and the amount of shade VGM keeps trying to cast on me is a little curious (to me at least, tho I'm biased).. and his theories of "I worry this is some big elaborate trap, sacrificing scum to make the other scum seem town" are rather unrealistic.

​SBG voting on Rafay.. not AS suspicious of this because I think there's a good chance Rafay & KevinH are scum partners.. if KevinH flips town tho, maybe SBG is iSoc's partner trying to redirect votes off iSoc.

​Robert.. if I recall correctly came out against iSoc earlier. Potentially part of a Kevin/Rafay/Robert team. He didn't vote tho I guess, or unvoted. Overall he's seemed fairly quiet, not making many waves, staying under the radar. 

​Rafay.. suspicions on him are well documented no need to repeat them again I think.

Lynching me is lynching a townie. 

 

The facts:

• It's a fact that I was the Universal Backup (no counterclaim)
• It's a fact that I became the 1-shot Watcher.
• It's a fact that Canik saw me visit FrigidInferno.

 

He said-she said:

• I saw iSocialism target FrigidInferno.
• He denies it.

Lynching me is lynching a townie. 

 

The facts:

 

• It's a fact that I was the Universal Backup (no counterclaim)
• It's a fact that I became the 1-shot Watcher.
• It's a fact that Canik saw me visit FrigidInferno.

 

He said-she said:

• I saw iSocialism target FrigidInferno.
• He denies it.

The first two can only be a fact according to you. As to everyone else, it's just a guess. I can pretty much say the same thing. You're really trying to push this narrative. Playing it safe without talking about others. At least I'm not playing safe also why didn't you put the first line as a fact? I mean, I'm just messing with you, but...

I think it's pretty much a fact that Kevin is Backup/Rolecop but since role =/= alignment it doesn't matter much. Makes his argument plausible (that he only visited to watch Frigid) but doesn't prove he's innocent. Rolecop is traditionally a scum role too, what help would that have been to town?

​Anyway Kevin & iSoc both of you should consider posting your final thoughts soon. Who do you think would be scum partners of the other and what-not. If you're really town you should want to leave us with all the info you can even if it's speculative. 

I will being trying to make my list when I'm home tonight, but it does take time. In that mean time correct me if I'm wrong.

Current claim roles

Canik - tracker

KevinH - backup/watcher

iSoc - one shot vig

Lego - role blocker

????? - fruit vender

 

Unclaimed roles

N3 vig...

 

Dead/past roles

Cop - fridge

Old watcher - Goldiron

 

I will being trying to make my list when I'm home tonight, but it does take time. In that mean time correct me if I'm wrong.

Current claim roles

Canik - tracker

KevinH - backup/watcher

iSoc - one shot vig

Lego - role blocker

????? - fruit vender

 

Unclaimed roles

N3 vig...

 

Dead/past roles

Cop - fridge

Old watcher - Goldiron[/quote

No one claimed fruit vendor. The rest is accurate for claims at the moment. And the n3 vigi could be the vengful too

I will being trying to make my list when I'm home tonight, but it does take time. In that mean time correct me if I'm wrong.

Current claim roles

Canik - tracker

KevinH - backup/watcher

iSoc - one shot vig

Lego - role blocker

????? - fruit vender

 

Unclaimed roles

N3 vig...

 

Dead/past roles

Cop - fridge

Old watcher - Goldiron

Don't now why it reposted that when I loaded my browser. Sorry guys

Well, we know for a fact Kevin visited the guy who died, and we don't know if he actually did see iSoc visit, so although I think iSoc is the scummier, by pure logic Kevin is probably the best. Agreed? All in favour?

 

Who is a good Kevin partner? Who is a good iSoc partner?

SeaBeeGipson - Little iffy that he is trying to get another wagon going, When I feel like this day needs to be Kevin vs i. I see what he's trying to do, but it could be a front. Was not on any lynch wagons, only the counters (SBG then Canik's) Neutral on him.

 

Lachiton -  was investigated by the cop. Was on Gold's wagon. Seems to be scum hunting, question lack of probing done to kevin on d3. neutral.

Brewersalliance - little iffy on him as well. He does seem to want to find the answers though, Maybe scum playing it safe and joining kevin's wagon. neutral/leaning town.

Canik Town - outed Kevin, is on kevin's wagon.

KevinH - Scum, if your following you know why i think that. Another thing I want to add, KevinH plays like he has a textbook for playing mafia right in front of him. The book also written by him. normally on d1 = no lynch, d2 = inactive vote. Rarely, if at all did you go for, or voted for Rafay. Maybe I caught your eye so much because of the hammer, but not typical. Lego was also on both wagons FYI.

Vgmmaster - I really don't know, sometimes i feel like calling him scum. The other times I feel he's town. Not really committing on too much, so I feel. Neutral as well

Rafay - His instant jumping on my wagon with kevin, his pushiness of pointing towards wagons. Sounds a lot like kevin reasoning. hiding in the back is just his thing, but you can't tell too much about because of that. Leaning scum. 

legoboyvdlp - watched by canik, didn't try to block canik. Been saying he's been targeting rafay the past days. Was on Gold's and TW wagon's. Town in my book. Maybe he's not blocking rafay though just a side thought.

Robert2424 - Not much for him, good vibes though. Seems like he's approaching this with an open mind. leaning town

 

Summary

 

Town

 

Myself

Canik

Lego

 

Kind of town

Brewer

Robert

 

Neutral

Lach

SBG

VGM

 

leaning scum

Rafay

 

SCUM!

Kevin

Interesting.

​KevinH you better post something too, radio silence would not look good.

KevinH plays like he has a textbook in front of him??

Lol

That was good.

 

Anyways, what happened to the high activity levels today?

I mean, we have 2 slots being claimed. It's only going to be hard if nobody claims one of those slots as well.

@iSoc, confirming I targeted Robert night 1 and Rafay night 2. That's all till tonight

Away 30/31, looking to get a hammer before then so I can post my night action before I leave. Also away from 5th to 8thh

Vote Count:

 

KevinH(3): iSocialism, Canik, brewersalliance

iSocialism (2): KevinH, Lachiton

Rafay (1): SeaBeeGipson

Canik(0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Lachiton (0):

Vgmmaster (0):

legoboyvdlp (0):

Robert2424 (0):

Brewersalliance (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Rafay, legoboyvdlp, Vgmmaster, Robert2424

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch or 4 at deadline.

Deadline is Thursday, 1st February, 2018 at 10 am GMT.