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The Black Order (Imran Ehsan, Robert2424, Lyner, and Preston) has defeated the Avengers. The most surprising thing to me is that I was lynched by only townies. Yeah scum did a good job avoiding your wagon. (Which I did say that Kevin’s wagon was all town )

Oh damn and you’re the one who got all the shit for the tony kill from lww Who did you suggest for the kills

what do u mean?

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Robert was still scum to me, but imran gave a lot of solid scum tells and evidence, and i felt it would be a lot easier to get town to follow on him to lynch him. not sure why MK didnt switch to iman at the end tbh, and it really hurt DF and velo didnt vote at all in my mind, if imran was lynched, lyner would have been a very easy follow up lynch from where i pointed out there similar posts, and then robert. preston did a good job hiding for almost the whole game, def gotta give him credit. what flipped him to scum in my mind was how he was really just posting summaries and not posting actual content and then kept slowly changing his opinion on me. it felt very planned at that point, so to me if there were three scum it was imran lyner robert and if 4 it was him with them props to scum tho for how they played the last day. knew it was mylo, so they made sure to get the inactive guy since it was an easy lynch.

dark fox and velo not voting fucked us and MK u voting robert when no one else was hurt too. imran should have been the lynch, and we wouldnt have lost...

called the whole fucking team....

At most 50% chance of scum? I broke down the known roles v unknown. 6 unknown players. If 3 scum then 50% chance he is scum If four scum then 66% chance he is scum…. So how would imran know the max chance is 50%? If he is scum and knows there are only 3 scum in the game. Only way he could actually know that for sure. Imran is scum

Vanilla does make sense for his name, bruce banner was useless in the movie

Pretty sure isoc is gonna be scum… with this game so late and no scum dead and the potential for this to be MYLO if there are four scum, I don’t see TW not replacing him, considering I’ve asked him serveral times to do so. He could have brought back LWW or tony to take over, especially with the potential for the game to be on the line. Would be a very shitty way for town to lose. Im not gonna hammer isoc on the off chance TW brings someone in at the 11th hour but I doubt he will. Okay so zacch and I both have protective roles. I’m hesitant to discuss who we should protect as scum could then game plan around it. However at the same time Velo has a stone and we need to make sure he is protected. Scum have a role blocker so if we don’t both go on velo they could block one of us and the kill him. I’m kind of torn if we should game plan or not.

Anyways that’s my Preston thought More thoughts using the isoc wagon Votes on isoc: Robert, Preston, zacch (town), lyner I think lyners position on this wagon is clear: If isoc is indeed scum and inactive, lyners vote could very well be a buss. Isoc is the clear favorite to be lynched and we are getting close to deadline If isoc is town, it puts him safely ahead with a fourth vote and basically secures the lunch of an inactive townie and moves scum very close to getting a win Lyner being where he is on the wagon and voting when he did, (just recently) as well as the other things I mentioned makes him entrenched as my number 2 scum Imran is my top scum Lyner #2 Robert 3 Preston/Mk both wildcards Isoc inactive and needs to be replaced no matter what his alignment is tbh

Given that I have become more concerned about Brewers since his claim and have openly speculated that he is Thanos, I am not surprised to see him turn a FOS on me in response. Speaking to what he says about my style: A lot of what I do is look for inconsistencies/oddities or unanswered questions and then see where the answers go. What is possible, what is proven or provable, etc. Being complete in that is part of why my posts tend to be pretty long, and repeating/restating what brought me to a given point is part of keeping my analysis consistent. Brewers was pretty solidly in my likely Town list until today when we had to reexamine our suspect list and the question of what was going on with DF came up. The oddity of your N1 lack-of-action and then the coincidence of your claimed getting a doctor power at the same time Thanos got the Doctor's Time stone is something I can't ignore, and I don't think anyone else should either. There are very valid reasons to be skeptical about an unproven/unprovable claim at this stage in the game, much as MK is/was skeptical of Velocity's unhelpful results and how Kevin's claim drew such attention. This new information has indeed adjusted my suspect list, as it should. That you are not currently the TOP of my suspect list is because I acknowledge how your claim /could/ be accurate, I am hoping for something more definitive to work with tomorrow that will settle your case. For the time being iSoc2 remains my #1 suspect for today, and I am sticking with that unless something else changes. As for the idea that I avoid committing to anything though... kindly refer to how hard I pushed for Velocity on D3 prior to his roleclaim, based on his end-of-D2 actions and inconsistency he showed between D2 and D3 stances. Also how hard I am pushing for iSoc2 now, based on his D2 avoidance tactic and D2/D3 attacks on LWW, combined with sporadic presence that's kept him under the radar. I restate these positions in most of my posts, so I should hope they are not easily missed. Saying that I have avoided committing to anything is very much not accurate. I am not going to imitate your/Imran's back-and-forth attacks in the vein of "you misrepresent me, you must be lying, lynch all liars!" because you can see me however you want. I think I have been pretty clear in my facts about why I am concerned about you based on today's claim, so it is not like I suddenly swapped to attack you out of nowhere. As for your hypothetical about me being scum and then trying to claim it wasn't me on the wagon - If you are a lynch that happens today or tomorrow and you flip town, then I don't think anyone would believe I was not involved with that, nor would I claim it. My reasons are an open book - a long series of books even, as people have joked multiple times this game. I don't see any posts from him today either. See my earlier post for a suspicion that he will somehow conveniently pop up again with hours to go, having watched the thread in the meantime. If he really IS town and is just genuinely being inactive, then you're right that he probably shouldn't have accepted being Bryan's replacement. It doesnt make a lot of sense though, because he WAS abruptly active around Velocity's near-lynch yesterday... so he was able to be here when he WANTED to be, but then he went silent again. This is a large part of the reason that I am convinced he's really scum. With ~1.5 days left in the deadline, any action TW takes will be last minute. Obviously it's up to him as mod, but I don't think we as players can say something like "Only replace him if he is town, otherwise let him die as scum" because that would be asking the mod to basically tell us iSoc2's alignment before the day ends. As much as I'd love a no-risk scenario like that, it would be utterly gamebreaking and feel like cheating. I mean considering there are 10 players alive and either 3 or 4 scum and it’s not velo, dark fox, zacch, (or me since I know I’m town), to me that means that there is a 50-66% chance that Preston, MK, lyner, isoc, imran and Robert are scum. Did an FoS on present cause I’m pretty sure I accused lyner, imran, and Robert of being scum before and odds are I am not 100% correct on those three, isoc is inactive so we can’t really go by anything other than that one vote of his on d2 I think, MK I’m still leaning prob town because he’s playing like MK does when he’s town. So yeah. Everyone needs to be scrutinized at this point of the game and I feel like everyone has other than Preston- he’s mainly gotten a pass cause of his massively long posts that for the most part to me do not feel like fresh thoughts and rather just summaries of what other people have said first. He could very well be town, but he’s basically been ignored as a possible suspect all game, mainly cause of the insane length of his posts. I have no issues with him talking about me but for me it just feels interesting how his progression has been. I still feel imran is the best choice for the lunch, but looks like it’s gonna be isoc. OOC- why would isoc come back into the game as a replacement only to not participate? Confused me If there are four scum and we lose cause of a mis lynch on an inactive player, I think we have every right to be very mad at the mod for not replacing him…

I’ve DMd TW a few times asking him to replace isoc but he hasn’t responded so I’m guessing we are stuck with him through deadline

FOS Preston His posts are all super long but they are also super repetitive… and he’s pretty much avoided committing to anything this entire game. It’s starting to feel a bit off. And one thing that does stand out to me here: each time he posts he seems to slowly be moving me up his “scum list” Feels like he might be waiting to see if lynching me gains any traction before he commits to voting for me. Or even he’s trying to point out reasons for people to vote me without having to vote me himself Hypothetical: if he is scum and gets people to vote me he can try to claim he stayed off my wagon when I flip town… Just a thought

That actually makes sense per the thanos thing- maybe a scum joat that gains abilities as he gets the stones. As far as me and no action on n1… it wasn’t that I chose not to do an action, I didn’t have any action available for me night one. I’m not going to be around this weekend so I might as well just claim now to be safe since I’m not sure when I’ll be able to respond to anything I’m Wanda, an avenger universal backup. I gain the ability of the first avenger power role to die. So obviously no one was lynched D1 so I had no ability n1. When strange died and we lost our doctor N1 I gained his ability. N1 no action N2 dark fox N3 velocity I kept saying the dark fox thing to try to bait scum into attacking dark fox and protect him and prevent a scum kill. I had a convo with TW about it, I wanted to make sure I didn’t cross any lines since the post was in the PM thread for his action, and I felt like if I shared Dark fox was the tracker that would be using ooc shit to gain an advantage, but also since everyone could have seen the dark fox post I was curious what TWs thoughts were on it- ie if he agreed with me that saying dark fox was the tracker would be using ooc stuff to bait scum. I felt it was but I also just wanted his opinion and he agreed that it was so instead of bringing up with DF did I tried to make it seem like I had some reason to know he was town and draw the scum kill to him that way so I could block it. In addition I also protected DF cause he was the only known power role to me at the time and if scum saw his DM like I did they might try to kill him On N3 I picked velocity mainly cause of the stone. I also thought zacch would protect LWW since Zach was a newer players and might not think about the stone collection and just go for the doctor. And part of me is worried velo and I are secret lovers and what would happen if one of us died. I was hoping I would get us coverage over both. I tried writing up a post telling Zach to protect the cop to make scum try to role block lww, and kill velocity so I could protect velo and stop the kill with scum thinking velo is u guarded so they can kill the watcher And Get a stone, but instead he’d be protected by me and he would see who the role blocker was on lww and we would prevent the scum kill at the same time. Unfortunately I clicked post like three min after deadline and the ten min I spent working on the post was for nothing since TW locked the thread exactly at deadline and the post failed.

You and scum team would neither block or kill DF after the error made by DF. I will post regarding this in detail below. I am not going into OOC mud-slinging with you, which is exactly what you want - to derail the thread so that actual scum hunting cannot take place. You are also again misrepresenting me by saying I am accusing you of cheating. Some info fell into your lap and you and scum team made complete use of it. YOURE THE ONE WHO ACCUSED ME OF FUCKING CHEATING. And you’re trying to say you’re not doing OOC mud slinging? Fuck you dude. Literally fuck you. You want to claim I’m scum fine. You want to call me a cheater? Which is exactly what you are doing btw you can shove it up your ass. Fuck you Your literal entire basis for anything up until this last post was accusing me of doing OOC shit to try to get me lynched. And you have the stones to claim I’m the one trying to derail the game with OOC shit…. I draw the line with accusing me of cheating. I’m done engaging with u until I get a fucking apology for accusing me of cheating Use the no action n1 or some shit like that as your basis I’m fine with that, but not OOC shit

either way imran is my vote for today unless someone has CONCRETE proof someone is scum

granted someone also could be trying to make it look like MK was the roleblocker on N1 and N2... so i dont think this means MK is scum. Just an observation I made about the tagets N3 obviously velo was blocked to not see the night kill

Ooo, rafay reference. lol Also the rb HAS to be MK right? The targets: Velocity N1, LWW N2, Velocity N3. Mk is obssesed with Velo and LWW haha Granted this is a pretty weak observation, but it is something ive been thinking about since D3 when LWW said he was blocked on N2. Im guessing LWW was thinking the same thing, since his N3 choice was MK to investigate

This doesnt really make much sense. My thoughts on D3 had my scum list as Robert, Velocity and Jazzy. And then Velocity RCd and I said I would have to change my scum list and you said the same thing...(u miught have said it first). Then Jazzy flipped town... So obviously the scum suspects needed to change since Robert wasnt going to be the only scum in the game haha. Not sure how going back through the game to try to figure out who is actually scum would be considered scummy lol If anything, thats your number one responsibility as a townie I never once thought Imran was town. Its not like I went from Imran is Town to Imran is scum. My thoughts on Imran were i wasnt sure and he could go either way. It wasnt until today (D4) that imran said something that jumped off the page as super scummy to me. I then did a deep dive and went back through his posts and put everything he said to a test - "If Imran was scum why would he say this" versus 'If Imran was town why would he say this" and a ton of stuff jumped off the page to me as scummy. So thats why I changed from "not sure" on imran to thinking he is scum. If youre wondering, Robert is still on my list, so I havent changed on him

I actually stated in my post that this was the thing that conviced me he was scum. He was on my scum list but I may not have voted for him early until I saw if there were any useful results from night. But the sudden attack out of nowhere right after I posted that I suspect that town is being led to mislynches just confirmed it. He knew I was going to come after him so he jumped in first so that my vote on him looks like a OMGUS. I am not fully conviced regarding iSoc. It is possible he is one of brewers'scum partners but he did call out lww a couple of times if I remember correctly. The lww/brewers duo looked strange to me on Day 2. It pointed to close coordination to lynch. However scum would not work so openly together also, but maybe they may have thought they will never suspect scum to be working together. Now however, lww has been confirmed town. My theory here is that brewers latched on to a very townie looking player so that he looks townie by association also. A common smart scum tactic. lww may have been role blocked on N2, he said he got not action on Day 2. That explaing why you didnt see lww do anything. Not sure if it was townie roleblocker or scum. Brewers not doing anything on N1 is interesting also. All scum may not have power roles. We have seen every avenger who has died has a power role. Velcoity, the watcher who is as clearly going to watch the cop, was role blocked n3… so it’s pretty safe to assume the role blocker is not town and is scum…. Only way they are town is if they are a world class idiot and that player is not in this game lol Also trying to put out there that scum has non power roles is a bad notion. If they had non power roles I don’t think this game would be very balanced. Town would have to have multiple vanilla roles to balance it out and that just does not look like it is going to be the case. And I know you’re gonna say something like “why didn’t you do an action then- it’s cause you’re The Godfather” or something like that. I am not going to role claim, which you’re probably going to try to press me to do, but I have a power role and I did actions the following nights I feel safe in saying I have a power role since I highly doubt there are vanilla roles, this is a role madness game. If vanilla roles are in play, for it to be balanced, nearly every unknown role left would have to be vanilla for the game to be balanced. And we know there is still one stone left in play (soul stone) and I doubt a VT has a stone lol

Reagrding Thanos and stones thing, I posted regarding this initially. TW specifically mentions Thanos getting a stone after Dr. Strange dies. So it brings up a question on what happens if the scum gets all the 6 stones. He also mentions that Thanos has sent out his lieutenants to find the stones. So I would say Thanos is a Mafia Godfather role with the other scum working for him. This is the quote I was referring to. Presence of Cop in the game almost confirms that the scum have a Godfather/similar type of role to counter the cop. Plus Thanos as Godfather sending out his scum team to kill and get stones matches. Tailor and framer also counter cop as well. I’ve seen plenty of games with a cop and no godfather. Just cause there is a cop does not mean a godfather is in play. The vast majority of our games have a cop in them. The vast majority of the games DO NOT have a godfather in them Also when I messaged Dark Fox I didn’t say “hey delete your post scum is going to see if and kill you” that would be cheating. I said “WHY U TRACK ME”. I didn’t want him to have any idea on my role or alignment, as that’s not allowed but I also didn’t want him fucking killed by scum for clicking the wrong convo thread Stop accusing me of doing OOC shit to get an advantage in this game. You better be town and not scum This is the second time you have accused me of cheating. If you’re scum I get it, you need to try something to survive cause I would have caught you. But if you’re town and actually think I’d fucking cheat when I have no need to do so, I’m extreme offended Meant you better be scum and not town* Driving right now haha Meant you better be scum and not town* Driving right now haha

Yes @imran you got me Not only am I The Godfather and not doing the kills, but I also know dark fox is a tracker who can potentially follow the scum team to a kill so I didn’t tell my partners we let him live on night 1 and 2 AND we have a role blocker and chose to randomly block velocity and lww n1 and n2 who we had no idea what their roles were at the time instead of blocking the tracker who could follow us to a kill and out us You got me. I much rather would do some crazy ploy to trick one person, dark fox, into thinking I’m town and risk the scum kill being discovered than just eliminate or block the role

Just an FYI my ex has a major cultural performance thingy this weekend out of town so I’m gonna be spotty at best starting Friday

Might as well. I am the tracker. N1 I selected brewers, did not see anything N2 lilweirdward, did not see anything N3 lilweirdward again, he selected MK I selected LWW the second time because he RC'd cop but I didn't see him anything the second night. So I get email notifications for PMs, hence how I saw it. If anyone has emails for PMs the post from dark fox tracking me would still be in it, as it might be deleted from the thread but the email wouldn’t vanish… I saw via email dark fox tracked me. If I was scum I def would have killed dark fox night 1 for that. Knowing he was the tracker, he would not still be alive if I was scum. I did DM dark fox to let him know he did it to try to delete it so scum didn’t see that he was the tracker and kill him. I was going to use the OOC stuff and explain more but TW told me not to, hence why I was kind of cagey about explaining it.