Then why are you posting here when you could be watching fox news talking about it, nodding along and telling your wife that if she'd stuck with that industry she'd have deserved it too. 

Then why are you posting here when you could be watching fox news talking about it, nodding along and telling your wife that if she'd stuck with that industry she'd have deserved it too. 

I am watching Fox News right now... John McCain just died, and it's ruining my shows. Now Ducey can appoint a non-Rino to his seat that will actually go to work and vote for Bret Kavanaugh. Maybe Ducey will just plant Kelli Ward in the Senate, and just let Martha McSally crush Kyrsten Sinema… or the other way around, doesn't matter to me. I have a lot of awesome pictures of my wife from that time, but we have never regretted turning away from Hollywood. I worked there until 1997... we just hated what it turned into, and left.

It's almost like the later case isn't going to make national media. It's almost like many of the prominent cases are ones where the person's behaviour has been a known issue for decades. It's almost like companies tend to announce that people are being removed *after* concluding the investigation, not before. It's almost like an inveistgation where HR goes "uh yea, we've got like 3 decades worth of reports on this guy, but the CEO told us under no uncertain terms to drop the matter" doesn't take very long.

Gee, you sure know how each of these companies are dealing with these cases! Because to me it's almost like these companies are doing everything they can do distance themselves from their accused employees. It's almost like the truthfulness of the accusation is secondary to keeping their customer-base. Understandable, corporations work rationally, it's the mob that is stupid.

 

A moral panic looks like crank physicists on the TV floating theories about repressed memories of ritual satanic abuse. A witch hunt looks like senator mccarthy percedingin over a commission in part with the FBI to ferret out suspected communists. It looks like the FBI demanding that it's employees sit in it's homosexual detection device in order to determine if they will continue to be employed there.

Those aren't moral panic, they're just gigantic hyperboles. A moral panic looks like this:

 

- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11343380/Sexually-assault-1-in-3-UK-female-students-victim-on-campus.html - 33%

- https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/us/a-third-of-college-women-experience-unwanted-sexual-contact-study-finds.html - 25%

 

Yeah right. Those are numbers that simply can't be true. This would mean that going to college is more dangerous to women than prison (4% officially, though some estimates put assault at 20% -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_States) You either have a serious problem with your methodology (possibly how you frame what sexual abuse means), or you have a moral panic, where the public and even a part of the scientific community goes off the rails. I think it's the latter.

Also no, no we do not need to treat every source as equal. Sexual harassment in these industries are so prevlevant there are literally hundreds of studies that attempt to quantify exactly how bad it is. Something like one person in five will experience it at some point. No one is inventing sexual harassment. So you know, pretending that buzzfeed is the only source is just a wee bit disingenuous.

I'm not pretending it's a non issue, but MAYBE we could go about this in a cool headed way, instead of further fanning the flames of mass hysteria, no? The activist-types really should know this better, after all, you'd think they want to win people over for their cause. Well evidently, that isn't the case, exhibit A: this thread where multiple former supporter have stated they no longer think this movement is being honest/heading in the right direction. I gather it's what's happening generally, not just on our humble forums.

Of course that's utterly irrelevant. You seem to think there's some big moral panic. It's not on me or anyone else to disprove your claim, it's on you to prove it. Your moral panic does not get to exist by default until disproved, and you shouldn't expect people to prove the negative. The null hypothesis is true until you demonstrate otherwise.

I have provided plenty of support for why I think there is a moral panic, while all you did to counter them is to blame corporations, dismiss sources as biased (even though I used Buzzfeed, and now the NYT to make my point), make hyperboles, and accuse my friend of lying, without ever occuring to you that MAYBE parts of this #metoo thing have gone too far. Again, you have shown your tendency to disregard obvious facts that run contrary to your political ideology. It's to be expected from the far-left, unfortunately.

 

 No one cares except that stupid mob that jump on every opportunity to destroy someone's life. It's a bunch of online babies that never grew up.

 

 

Something something sensation. Something something revenue. Something something adds. Something something PR.

 

I am not really saddened by the media storm on usual mondane relationship breakups or wrongfull accusation when "celebrity" is mentioned. I am saddened that such, and worse, acts are done in "normal" people's lives and most probably don't even get the attention they deserve.

 

Keep the tabloids to the tabloids I say, let the real people concern themselfes with real issues. Keep the schadenfreude out of the news!

I live by a pretty simple code, and another example of that happened this morning when we were spending a couple thousand dollars to see Aerosmith when they come to the MGM Grand next year. Steven Tyler and his attorney sent a cease a desist letter demanding the President to stop using his music at his rallies. Well, we canceled those plans. Being an ass has consequences.

My Aerosmith protest didn't last very long. My very Republican daughter from Denver just called me, and told me "To make sure we have the 4th of July clear next year... we're going to Aerosmith" I told her "Steven Tyler sent a letter to Trump demanding him to stop using his music"... she said, "Get over it Dad, It's just music... I already bought the tickets" So, I guess my protest has ended.

Yielding to the forces that truely matter!