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[Lord MK]

Oh, shoot.
There's a vig/sk

Canik, what was your role again?
And tw too.
We are at that stage now.
This is it.

[Canik]

I'm the Vig. Killed SBG or whoever it was that was investigated by Rhizo, and we killed one, and I targetted the other.

Also I killed Eogrim in the last night. Sadly I was wrong on that one but, we probably would've got to this point either way. Just speed things up xD

So it's TW or MK

[Rhizoctonia]

I'm the Vig. Killed SBG or whoever it was that was investigated by Rhizo, and we killed one, and I targetted the other.

Also I killed Eogrim in the last night. Sadly I was wrong on that one but, we probably would've got to this point either way. Just speed things up xD

So it's TW or MK

 

 

I assumed you were the vig, given your comment yesterday "thanks for lining them up" or something.  Was waiting for Vig to come forward today before I said anything.

 

So i do have information, I investigated MK last night.  Got not guilty.

 

So I agree with you Canik, it's between those two, and 1 of them either have a tailor role which gave me they were town, or a godfather role.

 

At this point, I'm leaning towards TW is the scum.

[Lord MK]

Oh, this is interesting.

A vig, a cop.
Where's the doctor?
That's right.
It's me, lol.

I am Aubrey Kate, a Shemale Porn Star, and premature ejaculator (doctor)

I have been protecting Rhizo since N2.
Protected Canik n1 (or was it jazzy?) I am a bit confused, as i swear that you were in this game at the start.

And no, i won't bang my role. 😅

[Rhizoctonia]

Oh, this is interesting.

A vig, a cop.
Where's the doctor?
That's right.
It's me, lol.

I am Aubrey Kate, a Shemale Porn Star, and premature ejaculator (doctor)

I have been protecting Rhizo since N2.
Protected Canik n1 (or was it jazzy?) I am a bit confused, as i swear that you were in this game at the start.

And no, i won't bang my role. 😅

So you're saying there are 2 doctors?

[Lord MK]

Oh, this is interesting.

A vig, a cop.
Where's the doctor?
That's right.
It's me, lol.

I am Aubrey Kate, a Shemale Porn Star, and premature ejaculator (doctor)

I have been protecting Rhizo since N2.
Protected Canik n1 (or was it jazzy?) I am a bit confused, as i swear that you were in this game at the start.

And no, i won't bang my role. 😅

So you're saying there are 2 doctors?

Probably, i guess.
There was 2 cops.
Judging brewers's history, i won't put it past him, for one of us to be faulty.
I don't know if i am the faulty one.
But i do know my role.

And jazzy being a thing, rather than a person, makes me even more suspicious.
Maybe, the message that condoms are not trustworthy is being conveyed. Lol

[The Warrior]

Unfortunately my role isn't going to do much for me if you decide that you think I'm the final scum:

 

I am Vadmin Black, a vanilla male porn star.

 

I've maintained all along that Velocity's result on me was inaccurate and he was proven to be a paranoid cop ultimately. I even tried hinting at my role early on day 2 after he posted his investigation result:

 

 

I have an announcement to make.



I got guilty on TW.


Vote: TW

 

I'm going to go ahead and refute that, because your result is inaccurate. I'm as clean as they come.

 

A VT by definition is town, therefore I am as clean as they come. I was trying to be cryptic about my role (or lack thereof) while also trying to share it in a way that fit the game theme.

 

 

Oh, this is interesting.

A vig, a cop.
Where's the doctor?
That's right.
It's me, lol.

I am Aubrey Kate, a Shemale Porn Star, and premature ejaculator (doctor)

I have been protecting Rhizo since N2.
Protected Canik n1 (or was it jazzy?) I am a bit confused, as i swear that you were in this game at the start.

And no, i won't bang my role.

 

Uh, what?:

 

 

Eogrim, Trojan Condoms, a town Doctor died N4

Jazzy, Riley Reid, a town Supersaint doed n4

 

Eogrim is killed last night and revealed to be a Doctor and then MK somehow misses the role reveal and claims to be the Doctor. If that were to be true it would mean the town had the following power roles:

 

• Cop
• Paranoid Cop
• Doctor
• Doctor
• Roleblocker
• Supersaint
• Vig

The currently known scum roles were:

• Cupid
• Bulletproof

A game this size with 2 cops, a roleblocker, 2 potential town killing roles and 2 doctors? This seems ridiculously OP in town's favor. It seems like someone butchered his planned role claim when he missed one of the revealed roles from last night.. Assuming Canik is the Vig, then MK is the final scum.

 

FOS MK

[Canik]

Dammit, I was hoping TW wouldn't have a good arguement. Although, it's *almost* so good it'd make it easier to switch to MK. One thing gives me pause tho; there WERE two cops. Could there actually be a 2nd Doctor and it somehow not be a useful Doctor? Is that a thing? Seems like it could be. Would Brewers do that?

Tough choice. What do you think, Rhizo?

[Lord MK]

Dammit, I was hoping TW wouldn't have a good arguement. Although, it's *almost* so good it'd make it easier to switch to MK. One thing gives me pause tho; there WERE two cops. Could there actually be a 2nd Doctor and it somehow not be a useful Doctor? Is that a thing? Seems like it could be. Would Brewers do that?

Tough choice. What do you think, Rhizo?

Well, it won't be OP, if one of us was faulty.
I don't know if brewers have did it, but i do know that he isn't past doing it.


Btw, has anyone ever visited me, like in this game?
Besides, Rhizo.

Cause, i have some critical need to know information to share.

[Rhizoctonia]

Dammit, I was hoping TW wouldn't have a good arguement. Although, it's *almost* so good it'd make it easier to switch to MK. One thing gives me pause tho; there WERE two cops. Could there actually be a 2nd Doctor and it somehow not be a useful Doctor? Is that a thing? Seems like it could be. Would Brewers do that?

Tough choice. What do you think, Rhizo?

 

 

I'm not sure atm, been back and forth tbh.  I was leaning TW but after MK's RC of a second doctor I'm leaning more him.  I don't know if they have such a role where one can be faulty or not, it would make sense in a game where there's 1 sane cop and 1 paranoid to have 1 working doctor and 1 not...but I'm not sure if that's actually a thing (haven't had time to look).  

 

Here's where I see it right now, with your vig, unless you don't have anymore shots, we still should be in good shape I would think.

 

We lynch one today, if we mislynch, you kill the other at night, and 1 of us will be standing tomorrow.  The problem with that is if the last remaining scum has a protection or something that will block yours.  Why I rather lynch right today in case they do.

[Lord MK]

Did anyone visit me or not at any stage?

[The Warrior]

 

Dammit, I was hoping TW wouldn't have a good arguement. Although, it's *almost* so good it'd make it easier to switch to MK. One thing gives me pause tho; there WERE two cops. Could there actually be a 2nd Doctor and it somehow not be a useful Doctor? Is that a thing? Seems like it could be. Would Brewers do that?

Tough choice. What do you think, Rhizo?

Well, it won't be OP, if one of us was faulty.
I don't know if brewers have did it, but i do know that he isn't past doing it.


Btw, has anyone ever visited me, like in this game?
Besides, Rhizo.

Cause, i have some critical need to know information to share.

 

After researching doctor sanities on mafia wiki I did find this:

 

There are five variations of the Doctor role, typically called sanities analogously to the Cop sanities.

• Insane Doctor: This doctor has 50% chance of killing his patient instead of protecting them.
• Paranoid Doctor: This doctor not only protects his patient but he also roleblocks them. See also: Jailkeeper.
• Naïve Doctor (a.k.a. Quack): This doctor's protection is ineffective.
• Weak Doctor: This doctor dies if he protects an anti-town player.
• CPR Doctor (also a Quack variant): If the patient is NOT saved from death that Night, this doctor kills its patient.

When a Game Moderator uses these roles as sanities, the player receiving the role is usually only told his/her role is Doctor. Sometimes sanity is revealed upon death, but frequently not, leading to ambiguity if a Doctor is killed early in the game.

These "sanities" are very rarely used as such. However, CPR Doctor and Weak Doctor have gone on to become viable roles in their own right, and players with these roles are generally told their full role names.

 

So it appears that doctor sanities can exist. However:

 

1. MK is most likely not an insane doctor because he claims to have protected Rhizo every night and Rhizo is still alive. There was a 50% chance each night that an insane doctor would have killed Rhizo. It is possible that it landed favorably every time, but it's unlikely that after 4 protections one didn't fail.
2. It's not possible that MK is a paranoid doctor because that would have roleblocked Rhizo every night which we know didn't happen.
3. A naïve doctor could exist but there is no way of knowing at this point.
4. A weak doctor or CPR doctor could technically exist as well but see the highlighted line above.

Mafia wiki says that these sanities are rarely used, but that weak doctor and CPR doctor have become more viable roles. However, if that's the case it seems like MK would have been told the full role (i.e. Weak Doctor or CPR Doctor) and not just "Doctor".

 

@MK - What is this critical, need to know information that you have to share? Why hasn't it already been shared? And why do you need someone else to visit you at night to share it?

 

 

Dammit, I was hoping TW wouldn't have a good arguement. Although, it's *almost* so good it'd make it easier to switch to MK. One thing gives me pause tho; there WERE two cops. Could there actually be a 2nd Doctor and it somehow not be a useful Doctor? Is that a thing? Seems like it could be. Would Brewers do that?

Tough choice. What do you think, Rhizo?

 

 

I'm not sure atm, been back and forth tbh.  I was leaning TW but after MK's RC of a second doctor I'm leaning more him.  I don't know if they have such a role where one can be faulty or not, it would make sense in a game where there's 1 sane cop and 1 paranoid to have 1 working doctor and 1 not...but I'm not sure if that's actually a thing (haven't had time to look).  

 

Here's where I see it right now, with your vig, unless you don't have anymore shots, we still should be in good shape I would think.

 

We lynch one today, if we mislynch, you kill the other at night, and 1 of us will be standing tomorrow.  The problem with that is if the last remaining scum has a protection or something that will block yours.  Why I rather lynch right today in case they do.

 

I didn't know that doctor sanities were a thing until looking it up just now. Unless MK is a Naïve Doctor though it would still be pretty OP for town to have two doctors in this game as well as the other revealed power roles. 

 

I took a look back at MK's voting record in this game and here is what he's done:

• MK left his vote on Velocity on day 1 even though Velocity role claimed as a Cop a couple days before the deadline.
• MK didn't vote for SBG until long after it was clear that SBG would be lynched (he was the 6th vote) and shortly before Brewers closed the game on day 2. His reasoning for voting SBG was:

  • So Seabee is again scum? Not surprised. I am getting him this time then. Vote: SeaBee

  • That reads like someone getting their vote in just so they could later say they voted for scum. 

• MK did place the second vote for SBG on day 3 citing the fact that SBG somehow wasn't lynched the day before. However, this reasoning didn't come until after Rhizo pointed out that people who survive lynches have been scum in the past.

• MK did not vote on day 4.

• Other than the voting record nearly every post MK made has been spam/filler with few exceptions except for this exchange where he discusses a possible tailor being unable to target themselves:

Aha, so velocity's results can be discredited.

And since rhizo has been correct so far, i don't think that tw is scum. If there's a tailor, then they can't self use it. And all things point to 1 scum left and since no tailors/framer has popped up yet, the last one, if it's tw, couldn't have used it on himself.

So he's town.

 

MK seems to be pushing the "Tailor cannot target himself" narrative here. He goes on to list 4 people that "could be scum" but have now been found to be town:

 

Town

Rhizo - he's not sacrificing his entire team, anyways.

TW - corelated from the results.

MK - thats me.

 

And that leaves us with...

Eogrim

Jazzy

Canik

Rafay

 

Eogrim then pointed out to MK that a tailor might be able to self-target:

 

In the last game the Tailor could self-target, as SBG used it on himself multiple times

 

I confirmed Eogrim's statement that I allowed a Tailor to self-target in the last game:

 

I did allow a Tailor to self-target in my last game but that was my choice. That isn't always typical behavior and each mod can interpret roles like that differently.

 

MK's continued to try to say that a tailor didn't self-target:

 

 

In the last game the Tailor could self-target, as SBG used it on himself multiple times

No, he didn't.
I was an insane cop.
The one who gives opposite results.
Not Seabee's doing.

 

That was his last post of the day before Rafay's wagon picked up yesterday.

 

 

Rhizo has thought for awhile that a Tailor might exist in this game and that it could have been me self-targeting myself. Given everything we know now it's looking like it was actually MK who could have been a Tailor targeting himself.

• He hesitated to vote for SBG initially and didn't until his lynch (or supposed lynch) was a foregone conclusion.
• He did vote for SBG the next day citing Rhizo's line about people surviving lynches being scum.
• He tried to push the narrative that a potential Tailor wouldn't be able to self-target even though Eogrim and I both confirmed that it happened in the last game and Brewers confirmed that he would interpret the role the same way in his game if such a role existed.
• He listed Rafay as one of the four people that could be the remaining scum but then ended up staying off the Rafay wagon that formed (and as we now know, killed a townie).
• He role claimed as the doctor today and claims to have protected Rhizo (an assumed Cop who is obviously still alive) every day, shortly after another doctor was revealed to have been killed last night and then chalked it up to possibly being "ineffective" after it was pointed out that he missed the reveal of a doctor role.
• He returned a not guilty result to Rhizo's investigation last night but at this point of the game, if he actually is a Tailor, targeting himself would be his best play since there was a high likelihood he'd be checked.
• Finally, MK claims to have some critical information to share, but doesn't share it and asks if anyone else has visited him at night.

 

Other than all of that, all I can say again is that I have been resolute that the guilty result Velocity received on me night 1 was inaccurate and that I hinted at my VT role early on in the game. It's your call Rhizo and Canik but I guarantee you that if MK is lynched we win.

[Lord MK]

Yeah, we will win.
No, you will win, TW.

Canik, you visited me anytime before?
Yeah, we will win.
No, you will win, TW.

Canik, you visited me anytime before?

[Rhizoctonia]

He hesitated to vote for SBG initially and didn't until his lynch (or supposed lynch) was a foregone conclusion.

 

And you very well jumped on it early because it was going to be you or him that day.  If you're both scum, would of been smart to, knowing one of you was going to end up lynched getting guilty on both.

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He tried to push the narrative that a potential Tailor wouldn't be able to self-target even though Eogrim and I both confirmed that it happened in the last game and Brewers confirmed that he would interpret the role the same way in his game if such a role existed.

 

You did as well?  You even said you allowed it, but it was not typical, so this is grasping at best when you yourself claimed it was nontypical to allow.

 

He listed Rafay as one of the four people that could be the remaining scum but then ended up staying off the Rafay wagon that formed (and as we now know, killed a townie).

You were the one who put the final nail in Rafay, and the whole day was a waste where no one did anything until I mentioned Rafay

He role claimed as the doctor today and claims to have protected Rhizo (an assumed Cop who is obviously still alive) every day, shortly after another doctor was revealed to have been killed last night and then chalked it up to possibly being "ineffective" after it was pointed out that he missed the reveal of a doctor role.

Where did he say he missed the reveal of the doctor role?  Also, had he not seen it, still would be ballsy to claim Doctor given there was likely one.  So had he seen it or not, claiming a doctor after seeing there was one, or not seeing it would be kinda stupid to do.  But i agree, having 2 doctors in a game would be OP, but very well could have a sanity that differs from the other doctor like Velocity had as the other cop.

 

 

He returned a not guilty result to Rhizo's investigation last night but at this point of the game, if he actually is a Tailor, targeting himself would be his best play since there was a high likelihood he'd be checked.

 

It literally would be wise for the last 2 nights for a tailor to target himself.  It would be just as good of a play for you to do it the night I investigated you knowing Velocity got a guilty on you and I should confirm or not his sanity.  And if you were the last remaining scum, there would be no better option then to use it on oneself from that point on.  As I mentioned after getting the No Guilty on you.  The fact is, I got 2 non guilties on the both of you, so one of you altered my result be it a tailor or a godfather, and both of you would of made sense to use the tailor role on yourselves so that's not an argument.

Yeah, we will win.
No, you will win, TW.

Canik, you visited me anytime before?
Yeah, we will win.
No, you will win, TW.

Canik, you visited me anytime before?

 

 

Why does it matter?  You keep saying the same thing, is there a point?  What does visiting you have to do with anything?

[The Warrior]

And you very well jumped on it early because it was going to be you or him that day. If you're both scum, would of been smart to, knowing one of you was going to end up lynched getting guilty on both.

 

I was on SBG's wagon earlier because I knew that one result was inaccurate (mine) and therefore the other likely wasn't (SBG's).

 

You did as well? You even said you allowed it, but it was not typical, so this is grasping at best when you yourself claimed it was nontypical to allow.

 

I said it wasn't typical. I never said it wasn't possible. Hence the reason I mentioned that I allowed a Tailor to self-target.

 

You were the one who put the final nail in Rafay, and the whole day was a waste where no one did anything until I mentioned Rafay

 

I did cast the final vote for Rafay even though it didn't actually count. I agreed with the list of 4 names presented at the time as the possibilities for the final scum and Rafay was on that list. I chose to vote for him, not only because he was on that list, but also because of the flimsy reason he voted for me. His argument was a convenient argument to make to try to get someone lynched and also one that could be easily backpedaled from if/when that person is lynched and ended up being town. If I was scum why would I have gone on record with a vote for Rafay, knowing that he was going to flip town, when I could have chosen not to vote and nothing would have been said about it?

 

Where did he say he missed the reveal of the doctor role? Also, had he not seen it, still would be ballsy to claim Doctor given there was likely one. So had he seen it or not, claiming a doctor after seeing there was one, or not seeing it would be kinda stupid to do. But i agree, having 2 doctors in a game would be OP, but very well could have a sanity that differs from the other doctor like Velocity had as the other cop.

 

I didn't say that he directly said that he missed the doctor reveal. It was basically inferred by the way he framed his role claim though:

 

Oh, this is interesting.

A vig, a cop.

Where's the doctor?

That's right. It's me, lol.

 

I am Aubrey Kate, a Shemale Porn Star, and premature ejaculator (doctor)

 

I have been protecting Rhizo since N2.

 

"Where's the doctor? That's right, it's me." He clearly stated that he was the doctor and not also a doctor. I would have agreed that the existence of a doctor was likely but we already had a bunch of PR's known including a role blocker. It would not have been a stretch to think at that point that one might not actually exist.

 

It literally would be wise for the last 2 nights for a tailor to target himself. It would be just as good of a play for you to do it the night I investigated you knowing Velocity got a guilty on you and I should confirm or not his sanity. And if you were the last remaining scum, there would be no better option then to use it on oneself from that point on. As I mentioned after getting the No Guilty on you. The fact is, I got 2 non guilties on the both of you, so one of you altered my result be it a tailor or a godfather, and both of you would of made sense to use the tailor role on yourselves so that's not an argument.

 

I don't deny the fact that self-targeting would be wise. The difference between the night you investigated me though and the night you investigated him was that there were more potential investigation targets for you the night you investigated me and you had already expressed hesitancy with investigating me. If I was a Tailor, would it have been wise to tailor myself? Sure, but it was not a foregone conclusion that you would choose to investigate me then with several other possible investigation targets. The night you investigated MK, your options were basically to either investigate him or Canik. There was a much higher likelihood that he would be investigated by you last night than there was that I would be investigated by you the night before.

[Canik]

MK, no I never visited you. Sorry :/

[Lord MK]

Okay.
That's weird.
Not even as your first roleblocker role?

As rhizo also visited me. (I forgot about rhizo's investigation when RCing)

My game plan till now was to try to get the last scum to hair me, if we mislynch tonight.
Seeing that rhizo is still alive, even though he visited me.
My plan isn't going to work.

I am not a doctor. I am a 1-shot paranoid gun owner.
That 1 shot was apparently already used, as rhizo is still alive.

And damn you, brewers, you first told me that i am just paranoid gun owner, then only now added 1 shot to it.
Making up rules on the go.

Anyways, that's it. Got nothing else to say.

[Canik]

Hmm I don't recall who I blocked exactly.. but even if I did, you're not supposed to give info from a dead character. I'm someone new now

[brewersalliance]

Hmm I don't recall who I blocked exactly.. but even if I did, you're not supposed to give info from a dead character. I'm someone new now

If any information gained from a previous life is disclosed, the post will be deleted and the offender will be mod killed

[Canik]

So when is the deadline? Coming soon, I'd assume?

We gotta pick one. 

Vote: The Warrior

(I'll switch to if you want MK instead, Rhizo)