if you want to push your "narrow" definition, I'd guess we would need to more then half all cancer deaths cause they usually die from an infection.

That's a good point because the cause of every death is lack of oxygen to the brain.

 

 

I doubt your "fall off ladder, break neck, be COVID-positive" is anything but anecdotal, you would need to fire your coroner/doctor if they put it down as COVID-related

It's been happening here for a very long time. There is too much money to be made in testing, positive results, and hospitalizing anyone with a positive test. Anyone that speaks against what is going on is silenced, cancelled, and destroyed.

 

 

Speaking of making money, hows all that PP money scheme being funneled into mega-corps going?

I have no idea. I'm self employed in an "essential" business, so I have no need for Federal Aid. My wife has been affected to a limited degree because she is in the restaurant business, but her seniority has benefits within her corporation, so she was retained where others have been axed. Things have to change quickly, because there are millions that are not so fortunate.

 

I doubt your "fall off ladder, break neck, be COVID-positive" is anything but anecdotal, you would need to fire your coroner/doctor if they put it down as COVID-related

It's been happening here for a very long time. There is too much money to be made in testing, positive results, and hospitalizing anyone with a positive test. Anyone that speaks against what is going on is silenced, cancelled, and destroyed.

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Capitalism with no checks does that. Consider less libertarian means of life

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Speaking of making money, hows all that PP money scheme being funneled into mega-corps going?

I have no idea. I'm self employed in an "essential" business, so I have no need for Federal Aid. My wife has been affected to a limited degree because she is in the restaurant business, but her seniority has benefits within her corporation, so she was retained where others have been axed. Things have to change quickly, because there are millions that are not so fortunate.

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Thing is that the pandemic itself isn't just going away, so you can't just ignore it. The relief thus has to come from another side, any options you would like?

 

 

Capitalism with no checks does that. Consider less libertarian means of life

We have plenty of checks, there is just way too much politics involved and not enough common sense to go around.

Not enough Libertarian for certain.

 

 

Thing is that the pandemic itself isn't just going away, so you can't just ignore it. The relief thus has to come from another side, any options you would like?

It is going away.

 

I know a lot of people that have had this virus, and the number of people I know that have had this virus that actually went in to get tested for it, I can count on one hand. A lot of people have had it and refuse to tell anyone about it. Many more people have had Covid than anyone knows about. My guess is at least 10 fold more. So, there is no stopping this virus. Everyone is getting it no matter what.

 

Vaccinate the elderly right now. Vaccinate teachers, complainers, and anyone else that has a desire to make life difficult for others, right now. If you're sick, stay home. If you're afraid of getting sick, stay home. Leave everyone else to their own decisions and get back to living. This is not as dangerous as some people want it to be.

Meanwhile in the latest complication, the Brits have announced a new variant, the result of which will be to cancel Christmas at the very least in the heart of the financial districts of Merry Ol'.  IE not the whole of the country per se.  Anyway, some professional over there is already decrying that the vaccine will not deter this new variant and we are all one variation or so away from not being able to make a vaccine to deter the next bastardization or so!  ... and the beat goes on.

 

Happy New Year  

The only upside to this story is that the new variant doesn't seem to cause more severe symptoms.

Correct, the story implied the new variant was more contagious but not more severe.  Bleh!

 

Capitalism with no checks does that. Consider less libertarian means of life

We have plenty of checks, there is just way too much politics involved and not enough common sense to go around.

Not enough Libertarian for certain.

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Libertarian =/= plenty of checks.

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Thing is that the pandemic itself isn't just going away, so you can't just ignore it. The relief thus has to come from another side, any options you would like?

It is going away.

 

I know a lot of people that have had this virus, and the number of people I know that have had this virus that actually went in to get tested for it, I can count on one hand. A lot of people have had it and refuse to tell anyone about it. Many more people have had Covid than anyone knows about. My guess is at least 10 fold more. So, there is no stopping this virus. Everyone is getting it no matter what.

 

Vaccinate the elderly right now. Vaccinate teachers, complainers, and anyone else that has a desire to make life difficult for others, right now. If you're sick, stay home. If you're afraid of getting sick, stay home. Leave everyone else to their own decisions and get back to living. This is not as dangerous as some people want it to be.

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Most nations are at 10~20% infection rate, still farflung from "we all had it". Then we also don't know how good the bodies immunoresponce is to people having it lightly to non-symptomatic. These people might be carriers without an actual vaccine shot.

 

It isn't as dangerous as YOUR SIDE wants to make it out that the science side is saying, but it still is a deadly thing combined with severe and possible lasting disease effects for people who do get hospitalized. Remember the USA currently has 114k people in hospital and climbing rapidly still! To put that in perspective towards Belgium for example, USA's hospitalisation is nearly double of ours (and we are coming down from wave #2).

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Meanwhile in the latest complication, the Brits have announced a new variant, the result of which will be to cancel Christmas at the very least in the heart of the financial districts of Merry Ol'.  IE not the whole of the country per se.  Anyway, some professional over there is already decrying that the vaccine will not deter this new variant and we are all one variation or so away from not being able to make a vaccine to deter the next bastardization or so!  ... and the beat goes on.

 

Happy New Year  

The one decreeing the vaccines as obsolete needs a headcheck, even if such a thing is true (which from first indications it does not), it takes time to actually verify that.

Here's something to think about... as many here already know, my wife and I are caregivers to a 93 year old Air Force Vet. Well she took him to his doctor today to get his vaccine... and they said he's too healthy, that they don't recommend him to get the vaccine.

 

Massive mixed messaging going on. All I hear from the media, and the experts, is that everyone should get it.

Here's something to think about... as many here already know, my wife and I are caregivers to a 93 year old Air Force Vet. Well she took him to his doctor today to get his vaccine... and they said he's too healthy, that they don't recommend him to get the vaccine.

 

Massive mixed messaging going on. All I hear from the media, and the experts, is that everyone should get it.

 

Sounds like they're spouting total bull mate. At 93 even if otherwise fit and well his odds of getting screwed by this are pretty high. 

 

 

Sounds like they're spouting total bull mate. At 93 even if otherwise fit and well his odds of getting screwed by this are pretty high.

My thoughts exactly. Sounds more like they don't want to waste it on the old guy. After 9 months of this, my patience is wearing thin.

 

Thanks for your thoughts Sir.

But why does it sound that you are mad at "the media, and the experts" and not the idiot doctor who adviced against it?

 

Sounds like they're spouting total bull mate. At 93 even if otherwise fit and well his odds of getting screwed by this are pretty high.

My thoughts exactly. Sounds more like they don't want to waste it on the old guy. After 9 months of this, my patience is wearing thin.

 

Thanks for your thoughts Sir.

 

 

I wonder if the issue is more that his insurance wont cover the vaccine?

 

 

I wonder if the issue is more that his insurance wont cover the vaccine?

Everything is covered with this guy. I believe they didn't have it to give, and they tell him he's in such great health to make him feel better about them not having it to give to him. We'll try again soon. I don't think this stuff is widely available yet, but he deserves to get it.

 

I wonder if the issue is more that his insurance wont cover the vaccine?

Everything is covered with this guy. I believe they didn't have it to give, and they tell him he's in such great health to make him feel better about them not having it to give to him. We'll try again soon. I don't think this stuff is widely available yet, but he deserves to get it.

 

 

To be fair availability is still pretty scarce. 

Senator Rand Paul said tonight...

If you have had the virus, or got the first round of vaccine, throw your masks away and tell Fauci to take a leap.

Senator Rand Paul said tonight...

If you have had the virus, or got the first round of vaccine, throw your masks away and tell Fauci to take a leap.

 

Wow, he is a moron.

 

 

Wow, he is a moron.

Okay... What has to happen before you throw your mask away and tell Fauci to take a leap?

 

Wow, he is a moron.

Okay... What has to happen before you throw your mask away and tell Fauci to take a leap?

 

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/12/956051995/why-you-should-still-wear-a-mask-and-avoid-crowds-after-getting-the-covid-19-vac

 

Also you need both doses not just the first. I restate, he is a moron and irresponsible as a leader.

 

 

Plus its not Fauci's fault that Trump and the rest of the leadership decided not to do shit about the virus

So I guess you're gonna follow that crack team from NPR, obey, and start living again when that crack team tells you it's safe.

The question I asked was when you plan to be normal again... not who you think is a moron.

 

My wife and I are planning our next trip, and we will be spending our money in a state that will not require a mask.

Maybe by the time we leave, the Trump vaccine will cure enough of the problem for you to stop being so scared.

 

My guess is you won't be voting for Rand Paul. I like him a lot... he's very Libertarian.

The 89 year old guy that put Sweet N Low on every restaurant table in the country leaped off a NYC high rise. He had Parkinson's, but I hear Fauci is claiming that before he hit the pavement, he passed through several clouds of Covid sneeze particles. It counts.

So I guess you're gonna follow that crack team from NPR, obey, and start living again when that crack team tells you it's safe.

The question I asked was when you plan to be normal again... not who you think is a moron.

Sure, ignore the "crack team" of professional educated doctors about a virus but put all faith in with the eye-doctor who raised a bigger stink about Ebola's 11 US citizens (of which 2 nurses on US soil after improper care due to improper actions by their patient) of which 2 died then the now 400k+ deaths by COVID-19.

 

Normalcy returns when herd immunity can be achieved, as is likewise with any infectious disease that spreads.

Sure, ignore the "crack team" of professional educated doctors

I choose to listen to the other crack team of doctors. You know the ones that are not getting absurdly wealthy off the virus?

400k+ deaths by COVID-19

You mean... Covid-19 *related* deaths. That one word changes everything.

Normalcy returns when herd immunity can be achieved

Glad to hear you're now onboard with herd immunity. Before you said Trump was lying, and you were certain a vaccine was years away.

 

Sure, ignore the "crack team" of professional educated doctors

I choose to listen to the other crack team of doctors. You know the ones that are not getting absurdly wealthy off the virus?

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Yeah, those bureaucrats and public schools associated researchers are raking in the big bucks from this...

 

Also, stop deriding Capitalism will ya >_>

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400k+ deaths by COVID-19

You mean... Covid-19 *related* deaths. That one word changes everything.

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Please tell this to the 600k deaths related to cancer each year in the US. They will feel mighty fine being comforted that their cancer was only a side-note in their possible long and excruciating death struggle.

 

Yeah it is a main source of death you massive pollock. To make a parallel with belgian COVID-19 deaths, we got the 2020 statistics related to death telling us that of the ~20k COVID-19 registered deaths like 90% were pre-mature for the year (aka, we are at ~18k excess mortality). Both statistics still need to be weighted for an increase (a summer heatwave) and a decrease (mostly work and traffic accidents).

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Normalcy returns when herd immunity can be achieved

Glad to hear you're now onboard with herd immunity. Before you said Trump was lying, and you were certain a vaccine was years away.

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Please quote were I derided herd immunity or stated that vaccine would take many years.

 

I'd guess both were comments deriding Trump thoughts of getting us to herd immunity by having everyone contract the disease (thus MORE deaths) and deriding his fantasy that the vaccine would be done in mere months (and thus hoping he could mistakingly ride on the assumption he had anything to do with its development.)

 

 

Why you suddenly think the process that usually takes years can suddenly be done in months while not ignoring any scientific nor health benefits or dangers.

 

 

 

Please tell this to the 600k deaths related to cancer each year in the US.

Sorry dude... the 600k cancer deaths are not destroying the economy, or turning half the US population into frightened sheep.

 

 

Yeah it is a main source of death you massive pollock.

Did you just call me a big fish? Is that the best you can do?