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[Lyner]

I like this version of Tony, I think he's town

 

 

 

 

Vote: Kevin

[Dontavian]

I like this version of Tony, I think he's town

 

 

 

 

Vote: Kevin

I agree with liking TMs involvement here...idk about his alignment

 

Why voting Kevin? I think you and brewers are on him, I just didn’t catch the rationale.

[Tony Maurice]

Robert2424, on 08 Nov 2020 - 06:04, said: I not participating as much cause this day is mainly chaos. Randomness. So idk. If this game was any semblece of normal, I might have something to go off of. For this type of game it's a poor excuse. With very slim chances for investigations there will be a lot of randomness. I don't know what else were you expecting.  

 

MK obviously wants us to be active with the high post requirement. And you call me a troll while you don't even commit to playing the game actively.

 

Why voting Kevin? I think you and brewers are on him, I just didn’t catch the rationale.

 

Yeah the strange pattern is that they said something completely irrelevant to kevin then vote him at the end of a short post. Is this to do with fantasy football or the mafia game?

[Finster Baby]

 

Nobody knows anything (as far as town is concerned). We cannot sit and preach for the rain (or rather for Cop), most probably he was blocked and won't come and save us. Without any other means of getting information, we need to lynch. 

 

As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH. From here it's pretty random, so let' say:

 

vote Robert

 

If you have other theories and types for the lynch, then it's great. We need a discussion and wagons.

 

So we just going with lynching the IRON military officers off? Sure you don't have an ulterior motive there ABT? 

 

Don't give him any ideas.  /MOD'd

[lilweirdward]

I know I have no room to talk as I definitely went nuclear on some people in one of my last mafia games, but it still seems like there's a lot of ooc interpersonal issues being brought into the game. Hopefully we can focus on the game rather than derailing.

I don't have any insights into what Brewers said, I only know my own role. As a mod, I would more likely feel I need to replace a player if they were a power role or mafia/SK. You can draw your own conclusions from that action from the mod.

I agree, the 7 post minimum is enough incentive to replace inactive townies, but taking the extra step to try to make Torres try is something I wouldn't think a mod would do unless that person has some sort of important role. At this point it's actually more likely that such a person would be scum than town (only two town PRs left but 2 mafia plus 1 SK), but with that comes risk in outing one of the last town PRs, so for now...

Unvote

I agree with the comments aimed at Robert that intentionally laying low because it's chaotic is dangerous and unhelpful for town, and kind of exactly the sort of thing mafia would want to do at this stage of the game. So...

Vote: Robert

Good catch btw Tony. I like this play style and I hope it's happening while you're town lol.

[Ferastical]

Yeah the strange pattern is that they said something completely irrelevant to kevin then vote him at the end of a short post. Is this to do with fantasy football or the mafia game?

 

It wasn't completely without rationale, at least from my perspective. Quoting AbT here:

 

 

As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH.

 

... which is what brewers took as logical reasoning and he made the decision to place his vote on one of the 3, which turned out to be Kevin.

 

Lyner on the other hand is just notorious now for not giving any reason for voting, which is shady, but I kinda get it, since one of my dreams would be for people to understand you from just your vote, as they could gather enough information from the status quo and kind of get a picture of where your beliefs reside at any point in the game. But as good as it sounds in theory, that just doesn't apply in real life and especially not in mafia games. Hire a lawyer for all I care, just please, provide at least one sentence why you think your vote is right or what's the goal behind it and trust me when I say the suspicion on you will go down approximately 69%.

 

Okay, it's pretty obvious I pulled that number out of thin air, but I hope you understand what I'm getting at here... 

[KevinH]

In summary we have 6 people alive that were on the Rafay's wagon, 3 that were on other wagons and 2 that were no lynchers, with 3 bad guys hiding somewhere in those groups. 
 
If we assume scum would like to blend (so not go no-lynch route) and they wouldn't all jump on the Rafay's wagon, then there must be at least one among (Tony, KevinH, Robert)

 
Terrible assumptions. Terrible math.
 
Day 1 Final Votes:

Rafay (8): Baby, Abt, Limey, Wp, Tw, Dontavian, Lilywad, Brewers
Tony Maurice (2): Rafay, Robert
Torres (1): Tony
Wolfpacks (1): Kevin
Not voting: Torres, Ferastical

 
Who's left?

1 Mafia Cop Switch
1 Mafia Doc Switch
1 Mafia Vig Switch
1 Serial Killer (with Mafia NK Immunity OR Vig/Cop Immunity)
1 Cop
1 Doctor
1 Vigilante
7 6 Townies

 
Even if your assumption is true about 1 scum being among the 3 listed players, that leaves 2 scum among the rest.
 
Vote: Ali bin Turban
 
For making a false premise.

[Tony Maurice]

I’m also suspicious on the fact that you completely ignored my questions to you regarding the list @ABT

[Dontavian]

Okay, it's pretty obvious I pulled that number out of thin air, but I hope you understand what I'm getting at here... 

Did you know, 87% of all statistics are made upon the spot?

[Chaplain of death]

I still don't agree with the premise that we are to assume that the other scum were not on Rafay's wagon. The only evidence we have of scum involvement in the wagon is that they were in fact on the wagon with WP's vote. You could make the argument that they tried to spread their votes around to avoid anyone drawing connections to them, but the wagon on Rafay was built on nothing, because the town had nothing, so its a free day kill to scum/SK. Maybe they weren't all voting for Rafay, but I think it's likely that at least one more maf was on that wagon, if not a maf and the SK.

[Ali bin Turban]

In summary we have 6 people alive that were on the Rafay's wagon, 3 that were on other wagons and 2 that were no lynchers, with 3 bad guys hiding somewhere in those groups. 
 
If we assume scum would like to blend (so not go no-lynch route) and they wouldn't all jump on the Rafay's wagon, then there must be at least one among (Tony, KevinH, Robert)

 
Terrible assumptions. Terrible math.
 
Day 1 Final Votes:

Rafay (8): Baby, Abt, Limey, Wp, Tw, Dontavian, Lilywad, Brewers
Tony Maurice (2): Rafay, Robert
Torres (1): Tony
Wolfpacks (1): Kevin
Not voting: Torres, Ferastical

 
Who's left?

1 Mafia Cop Switch
1 Mafia Doc Switch
1 Mafia Vig Switch
1 Serial Killer (with Mafia NK Immunity OR Vig/Cop Immunity)
1 Cop
1 Doctor
1 Vigilante
7 6 Townies

 
Even if your assumption is true about 1 scum being among the 3 listed players, that leaves 2 scum among the rest.
 
Vote: Ali bin Turban
 
For making a false premise.

So much text here and zero arguments. You say my assumption is terrible / false but you dont even mention why.
You say my math is terrible and even if there is a scum among those 3 Ive mentioned there are also 2 others among the rest (which is 8). Is 33% chance for scum somehow worse than 25%?

If we cut off quoting statistics from your post then what remains is: "I say youre wrong, therefore I vote you". Nothing other than a padded OMGUS vote.

[Ali bin Turban]

I’m also suspicious on the fact that you completely ignored my questions to you regarding the list @ABT

I didn't ignore your questions ( why would I?). I didnt see any question that you directed to me. If you show me that question I'll gladly respond.

[Lyner]

 

As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH.

 

... which is what brewers took as logical reasoning and he made the decision to place his vote on one of the 3, which turned out to be Kevin.

 

Lyner on the other hand is just notorious now for not giving any reason for voting, which is shady, but I kinda get it, since one of my dreams would be for people to understand you from just your vote, as they could gather enough information from the status quo and kind of get a picture of where your beliefs reside at any point in the game. But as good as it sounds in theory, that just doesn't apply in real life and especially not in mafia games. Hire a lawyer for all I care, just please, provide at least one sentence why you think your vote is right or what's the goal behind it and trust me when I say the suspicion on you will go down approximately 69%.

I don't know what's brewers reason for the vote, but indeed I'm trying AbT's premise and chose Kevin out of the 3. 

 

It did get Kevin to start talking 

[KevinH]

Sure, a 33% chance is better than a 25% chance.

But only a scum would *know* there is 1 scum among a set of 3 players.

 

As a townie, all I know is that there are 6 living players that voted to lynch a now-known townie.

 

Why group the players that voted for somebody else, but not the players that didn't vote at all?

 

Is there a scum among the 2 players that didn't vote?

If yes, then that's a 50% chance of finding scum there.

If no, then that puts 2 scum among the 6 living players that lynched Rafay.  33% again.  Hmmm

 

As I said, "Terrible assumptions.  Terrible math."

 

I think it's scummy to try to sway opinion with an argument like that.

[KevinH]

Is this to do with fantasy football or the mafia game?

Thanks for asking.
After starting the season with 3 straight losses, I then won 5 in a row.
This week I have returned to my losing ways.

[Ferastical]

Did you know, 87% of all statistics are made upon the spot?

 

Did you know, that there was this statistics student who, when driving his car, would always accelerate hard before coming to any junction, whizz straight over it, then slow down again once he'd got over it? One day, he took a passenger, who was understandably unnerved by his driving style, and asked him why he went so fast over junctions. The statistics student replied, "Well, statistically speaking, you are far more likely to have an accident at a junction, so I just make sure that I spend less time there."

 

I don't know what's brewers reason for the vote, but indeed I'm trying AbT's premise and chose Kevin out of the 3.    It did get Kevin to start talking   

 

Nice! 

[Chaplain of death]

I think the issue is more that even if we follow ABT's analysis, then the percentage of scum to townies on the Rafay wagon and otherwise, is the same. So using that as a method of choosing a target is literally irrelevant, other than to perhaps eliminate people who voted no lynch or didn't vote? I don't think we should ignore those other 2 though so I don't see a reason to waste time on the premise ABT brought up. I know we don't have much else to go by but I just see no benefit to using it compared to just choosing someone at random. It doesn't give us any better situation, if anything it makes us start assuming that certain people are most likely town when there is nothing to indicate such.

[Tony Maurice]

@Ali Bin Turban I'm sorry I missed that you got the names from votes and not post counts. 

 

Let's look at Robert. Maybe he'll come back if we analyse what he has said and ask some questions. 

 

DAY 1

VOTE BREWERS

Get this out of the way.

Fluff post with not much meaning. Is he trying to start a quick wagon on one of our best players and assets if he is town?

 

I mean, he did put a Jester into his game. 

Day 1 fluff post.

 

 

O.O

 

Wow, that escalated quickly. Tony has not yet even come in and he already has 4 votes  .

FoS KevinH (don't you try to sneakily defend Tony).

Vote Brewers, because I don't want to read his comments when he's drunk

Vote brewers because he is an alcoholic

Vote: TheWarrior

No special privilege

Vote rafay for white privilege

 

 

Fluff Post

 

Well. You reap what you sow Tony.

After I called 4 votes on me cruel as I couldn't look at the game until after work when it started at 2 in the morning for me. I'd classify it as another fluff. 

 

Unvote 

 

VOTE TONY

 

Your a Troll and don't belong here. 

Post 34  has my torres fluff vote. Is this anything worse in this game than what you have done Robert? 

War Never changes. Tony and Torres never change while playing mafia. 

FLUFF POST

Yes. Inactivity. Is. Bad. 

Fluff post in response to Rafay's recent activity. Didn't really add anything to the discussion is why I classify it that way. 

I feel there are more people wanting to troll then play the game...

More fluffish complaints. 

 

So what do we see Robert do on day 1? He gets the exact post minimum by complaining about me and torres for things external to this game. He posts every day up until his war never changes quote. He calls inactivity bad but only meets the day minimum while posting every 2 days? Just remember one of his posts was literally "o.o". Should Robert be cut some slack for his serial fluffiness like everyone is on day 1 or should we be more harsh because of the contents of said fluff? He remained voted on me for invalid reasons. 

 

DAY 2

 

I see the insanity hasn't let up just because I don't post a few days. Somehow got sort though these crazy posts. 

This quote to me is very interesting. I guess it's up for interpretation but what really is so crazy about all the posts from 179, your last post at the time to post 237. I just can't see it myself and seeing that you specifically mention the posts are crazy can you tell us what is crazy about them?

 

 

 

 

A day when Robert doesn't get all passive aggressive with the current mafia community will be a happy day. Maybe someday we will get there...

 

To be fair its been earned over years of playing with the same schmucks on here.     I know I've caused headaches for people in the past too.

 

Not sure what you mean by Passive aggressive. I call things how I see it. Would you preferer I go crazy? 

 

Just a response to LWW. I don't see anything from here except for a day 2 fluff post. 

 

 

I not participating as much cause this day is mainly chaos. Randomness. So idk. If this game was any semblece of normal, I might have something to go off of.

An extremely interesting post too. What is so chaotic about this day, I just don't get it. Even if this game isn't normal we still have stuff to go off of, what is giving you so much trouble? If Trolly Tony can do it why can't you?

 

Only 3 posts and about 5 days left. You need to be more active. Either replacement or a lynching is in line if this pattern continues. Your day 2 posts just consist of you complaining about the game being too random. Just a horrible excuse. Why did you sign up? It's an open set up. You should have expected chaos. You have spent so much of this game fluffing and complaining about Tony/Trolls/Torres but have contributed less than me. All you have done is fluff post and offer no real insight into anything. 

 

Why are you doing less than me, one you consider a troll?

Why do you claim chaos which doesn't exist as a reason not to post?

 

Robert, it's time to wake up, you're lurking hard and it's extremely suspicious. 

[Finster Baby]

Sorry for my inactivity this weekend.  Had to bury a cousin. :/

 

Someone wanna TL;DR this all for me?

[brewersalliance]

As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH.

... which is what brewers took as logical reasoning and he made the decision to place his vote on one of the 3, which turned out to be Kevin.

Lyner on the other hand is just notorious now for not giving any reason for voting, which is shady, but I kinda get it, since one of my dreams would be for people to understand you from just your vote, as they could gather enough information from the status quo and kind of get a picture of where your beliefs reside at any point in the game. But as good as it sounds in theory, that just doesn't apply in real life and especially not in mafia games. Hire a lawyer for all I care, just please, provide at least one sentence why you think your vote is right or what's the goal behind it and trust me when I say the suspicion on you will go down approximately 69%.

I don't know what's brewers reason for the vote, but indeed I'm trying AbT's premise and chose Kevin out of the 3.

It did get Kevin to start talking

I thought abt was probably right with his idea and I wanted to start a competing wagon to see what people do and where they vote. Plus as lyner said it got us a good bit of discussion going with Kevin talking. So I feel it was successful. Didn't have time to read up fully this morning but I will when I get to work

Busy weekend. It was almost 80 degrees out lol ended up going up north ☺️