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[BA-12] The Asylum Mafia MAFIA WINS


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You are making a lot of assumptions about your own role, that you aren't sure of, in order to throw suspicion on me when I've been all but confirmed by MK, who is now dead and therefore a confirmed townie. 

 

I find it quite odd that you would ALSO be a cop, and that you would have the same day use ability that I had. Clearly you must be a cop of some sort as I didn't reveal that aspect of my role previously, but my bet would be that you are more likely to be a scum cop. 

 

Here you made it sound like you had valuable info to give to town but the only thing you had was an accusation on me for the reason of "well our others games worked like this therefore maybe this one does?" I don't understand. The only thing that I can think is that you had some info pieced together from the scum team, and that you wanted people to claim and then try to undermine someone's claim.



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Unofficial, without any shenanigans (listing only votes)

  • Lilweirdward: Lyner, Colonel Medved
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You are making a lot of assumptions about your own role, that you aren't sure of, in order to throw suspicion on me when I've been all but confirmed by MK, who is now dead and therefore a confirmed townie.


MK never confirmed your alignment, he just confirmed that you were targeted by Ferastical and made vanilla. At this point I think it's extremely unlikely that there is a vig in this game as they probably would have owned to to shooting Robert by now, so it's completely plausible that you could be part of a second mafia faction, and MK just happened to protect you anyway.

Regardless, I'm not "making a lot of assumptions," just one: that I have some explainable sanity and not a random one. While it is a brewers game so anything could happen, I would rather assume that there is some rhyme or reason to things and that this is still a playable mafia game.

I find it quite odd that you would ALSO be a cop, and that you would have the same day use ability that I had. Clearly you must be a cop of some sort as I didn't reveal that aspect of my role previously, but my bet would be that you are more likely to be a scum cop.


If I were a scum cop, why in the world would I come after you of all people left? Basically every other player is easier to frame, and I even acknowledged that my investigation of you was to test my sanity against who I thought was the most confirmed townie. I don't see how anything makes sense except the truth, which is that I'm a cop with an unconfirmed but likely sanity that all but confirms you as scum.

One thing that I will point out as interesting though is that, if I remember correctly, your first N0 investigation was Robert, and your N1 check was MK. There's a chance that you were the opposite of me: a cop with an even night sanity. This doesn't really change your alignment but it could explain your results and how both of us could be cops.

Here you made it sound like you had valuable info to give to town but the only thing you had was an accusation on me for the reason of "well our others games worked like this therefore maybe this one does?" I don't understand. The only thing that I can think is that you had some info pieced together from the scum team, and that you wanted people to claim and then try to undermine someone's claim.


There are potentially still two scum killers left as only two confirmed mafia players have died, so unless someone comes forward with a role that is even more dangerous than mine, I'm almost certainly going to be killed tomorrow night. My hints at info were mostly an attempt to try to either get more townies (mainly a vig if it existed) to come forward and help make sense of the night actions, or for a mafia to preemptively try to claim vig and more or less confirm themselves as the last scum in my eyes. Basically I was hoping to prod out more info for town to be able to use to help win the game after I'm gone lol. I did my best to not lie anywhere along the way about what info I actually had, which is why I said that it may reveal someone who has been doing night kills, which is probably true if you are indeed mafia.

Regardless, I think it's interesting that you've both acknowledged my claim of cop as likely true earlier in your post, and also completely implied it might not be true and ignored the actual results. If you'd taken more effort to either try to deduce my sanity from the results, or even just said "dude, you must have a random sanity because I'm 100% town and that check was also legit", I probably would have at least had a bit more doubt. This whole thing where you can't decide whether to pretend like I'm a scum cop or not a real cop at all though definitely makes me even more suspicious.

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Or both of you are townies bickering against each other  :huh:

 

CoD confirmed LWW's role so at least LWW isn't lying about his role. We have 2 doctors (with same alignment) so there is precedent that we could also have two town cops (with irregular sanities, probably our dead diagnoser's job to identify that). 

 

 

It is day 4 already (potentially LYLO) and several players still haven't disclosed any information at all: CM, captain, Kevin.

 

I think it's more crucial for town to make them talk first.



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The only way that he's a townie is if my sanity is random, which I acknowledge is a possibility but would prefer it not to be lol. I can't think of another possibility for him to come up Not Town on an even night when my results should have been insane.

I do agree though that a few people are skating by without sharing anything, and we need everything on the table before ending this day. I'm still very suspicious of captain for his behavior at the start of the day and his apparent claim of vanilla townie, and I don't feel like CM has had to explain or really play much so far. It's also interesting that Kevin seems to be dodging questions about his possible vote manipulation abilities.

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I'm still very suspicious of captain for his behavior at the start of the day and his apparent claim of vanilla townie,

 

I understand how you could consider this suspicious. However, I did not claim VT, I only said that I had nothing relevant to disclose.

 

Maybe I find LWW's results a bit confusing because of how insane (pun intended) this game is. However, I can buy off on CoD confirming LWW's role so I'm good with that. 

 

Colonel M, I look forward to hearing what you have to share with us. I understand life can be busy, but please give us something!

 

Outside of that, I don't know what further there is to share. Is there the double vote modifier still around? We need to be careful of that if so.

 

Personally, I would like berewers to come in with an official vote count before I vote. 


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Vote Count 4.1

 

Captainjf 2.0 (0)

CM (2) KevinH

COD (1) LWW

KEVINH (1) Lyner

LWW (0) Colonel Medved

LYNER (0)

 

Not Voting: CaptainJf 2.0, CoD

 

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch or 2 at deadline

deadline is 4/22 at 9am CN time



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Vote Count 4.1

 

Captainjf 2.0 (0)

CM (2) KevinH

COD (1) LWW

KEVINH (1) Lyner

LWW (0) Colonel Medved

LYNER (0)

 

Not Voting: CaptainJf 2.0, CoD

 

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch or 2 at deadline

deadline is 4/22 at 9am CN time

 

 

So, KevinH is weighted 2 votes, and CM is weighted 0...


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We really need to know more about Kevin and his role and alignment, because as a double voter he could end the game on his own tomorrow if there is still at least one mafia left.

Kevin, start talking, buddy.

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I questioned your sanity and your alignment not your role.


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The only way that he's a townie is if my sanity is random, which I acknowledge is a possibility but would prefer it not to be lol. I can't think of another possibility for him to come up Not Town on an even night when my results should have been insane.

 

Well, there is a small possibility of Framer (which means you're insane). CoD is vanilla so no miller possibility. But yeah, I can agree CoD being scum is on the table.

 

I understand how you could consider this suspicious. However, I did not claim VT, I only said that I had nothing relevant to disclose.

Nothing at all? night actions? any hints? 


 

 

Vote Count 4.1

 

Captainjf 2.0 (0)

CM (2) KevinH

COD (1) LWW

KEVINH (1) Lyner

LWW (0) Colonel Medved

LYNER (0)

 

Not Voting: CaptainJf 2.0, CoD

 

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch or 2 at deadline

deadline is 4/22 at 9am CN time

 

 

So, KevinH is weighted 2 votes, and CM is weighted 0...

 

 

I think we're on to something here  :ph34r:



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Yes, I'm a vote thief and a member of the town.

 

N0: Canik

N1: Chaplain of Death

N2: forgot to submit

N3: Colonel Medved


Colonel Medved woke up in the middle of the night.  His cell door was open.  He was unharmed but could not shake the feeling that something was missing....

 
The something that was missing was his vote.

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I need to go back and check all vote counts to make sure it adds up, but I can buy Kevin's claim for now. In any case, please be careful not to hammer anyone :P

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This is a game of trying to find the pudding thief, and he just admitted to being a thief..... >.> lol



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Yes, I'm a vote thief and a member of the town.

 

N0: Canik

N1: Chaplain of Death

N2: forgot to submit

N3: Colonel Medved


Colonel Medved woke up in the middle of the night.  His cell door was open.  He was unharmed but could not shake the feeling that something was missing....

 
The something that was missing was his vote.

 

Uhh so you deliberately voted on Ferastical wagon knowing it would very likely lynch him that day?

 

Unless you're certain Ferastical is scum, I would be very nervous of doing that.

 

 

 

FERASTICAL (7) Canik, MK, Cod, LWW, KevinH
 

On another note, there are actually 7 vote on Ferastical, so there are two more vote shenanigans here besides Kevin's vote theft. (Assuming Kevin didn't lie about stealing CoD's on N1)



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Uhh so you deliberately voted on Ferastical wagon knowing it would very likely lynch him that day?
 
Unless you're certain Ferastical is scum, I would be very nervous of doing that.
 
 

FERASTICAL (7) Canik, MK, Cod, LWW, KevinH

 
On another note, there are actually 7 vote on Ferastical, so there are two more vote shenanigans here besides Kevin's vote theft. (Assuming Kevin didn't lie about stealing CoD's on N1)

I had stolen CoD's vote and wanted to blend in so I voted for the same candidate. Ferastical was the best choice to get the most information.
Between CoD and me, there are 2 votes.
That leaves 5 votes between Canik, MK, and LWW.

...unless CoD had a multiplier, too.

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I have no modifiers that I know of. I was told I am a Vanilla townie. So unless we doing full bastard mod that was not me.


Confused why I was so popular on Day 1 though lol.


Night 1*



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Colonel M, I look forward to hearing what you have to share with us. I understand life can be busy, but please give us something!
 

 

Here is my 2 cents! (Or more like 0, since KevinH stole it from me lol)

 

Looks like my assumption on LWW being a Deceptive or Investigative role panned out! As far as the claim by LWW on Role Cop, I find it to be believable. Definitely some craziness in sanity is playing with his results.

 

 

N0 (Check 1) - MK: Mafia 

N1 (Check 2) - Ferastical: Mafia 

N2 (Check 3) - CoD: Not Mafia 

D3 (Check 4) - Canik: Mafia

 

 

My best guess is that I'm even-night and odd-day insane, and odd-night/even-day sane.
 

 

But one thing that i thought was weird is the suspicion LWW is throwing at CoD, even after saying he believes that he is odd-night/even-day sane. Wouldn't that confirmed for you that he would be town?

 

I find it quite odd that you would ALSO be a cop, and that you would have the same day use ability that I had. Clearly you must be a cop of some sort as I didn't reveal that aspect of my role previously, but my bet would be that you are more likely to be a scum cop. 
 

 

I feel like more than 1 scum cop would be a little OP in this setup, but LWW does bring a good point to the table. It could be that you two were opposite of each other

 

On another note, there are actually 7 vote on Ferastical, so there are two more vote shenanigans here besides Kevin's vote theft. (Assuming Kevin didn't lie about stealing CoD's on N1)
 

 

So, funny thing about that. I had a play in their being an extra vote that day (unknowingly). I'll go ahead and role claim to verify Kevin's claim

 

My role is Deva. Every night i can provide a player with good luck, causing their night action to duplicate and use on themselves. 

 

Night 0: (( Was before i filled in for STP))

Night 1: Targeted KevinH

Night 2: Targeted Rafay

Night 3: Targeted Robert

 

I didn't realize that i had a part to play with that extra vote, i assumed it came from there being multiple vote thieves. I guess it worked out in our favor lol. My action on Rafay seemed pointless, since he didn't survive the night. And i'm guessing my target on Robert caused him to die after killing Canik? Not sure tbh, since the flavor text made it seem that i didn't perform the action. Unless someone got to him before my action was put in motion  

 

CM hid the shiv he was carrying up his ass.  Fuck that hurt.   He turned to his left and saw robets cell.  Written in blood on the wall a message read:  Vengeance is nice.  Die bitch
 

 

So, now that my thoughts are on the table. I'd like to hear more from you Captain on your part in this crazy place we call home


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N0 (Check 1) - MK: Mafia
N1 (Check 2) - Ferastical: Mafia
N2 (Check 3) - CoD: Not Mafia
D3 (Check 4) - Canik: Mafia


My best guess is that I'm even-night and odd-day insane, and odd-night/even-day sane.



But one thing that i thought was weird is the suspicion LWW is throwing at CoD, even after saying he believes that he is odd-night/even-day sane. Wouldn't that confirmed for you that he would be town?

Gonna take a minute to digest your claim, but I just want to point out that the highlighted sanity I was suggesting is "odd-night/even-day sane", ie sane on odd nights and even days. The trick with my results is that my odd night result (N1 - Ferastical - Mafia) is sane, and my even night result that has been confirmed (N0 - MK - Mafia) is insane, but the day result I got on an odd day (D3 - Canik - Mafia) was insane when I expected it to be sane. The only two realistic possibilities are that my day sanity is different than my night sanity (either flipped or just purely insane/paranoid/random/etc), or that my sanity is random on all checks.

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Gonna take a minute to digest your claim, but I just want to point out that the highlighted sanity I was suggesting is "odd-night/even-day sane", ie sane on odd nights and even days. The trick with my results is that my odd night result (N1 - Ferastical - Mafia) is sane, and my even night result that has been confirmed (N0 - MK - Mafia) is insane, but the day result I got on an odd day (D3 - Canik - Mafia) was insane when I expected it to be sane. The only two realistic possibilities are that my day sanity is different than my night sanity (either flipped or just purely insane/paranoid/random/etc), or that my sanity is random on all checks.
 

 

Ah... yeah, i guess i looked at that wrong, thought i had something there lol

 

Either way, i find your claim believable. Figured i'd just inquire about that

 

I would unvote, but its pointless really lmao


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