Well in the interest of getting one of our afk's lynched I'll swap I guess.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Ferastical

That puts Ferastical at the deadline day requirement, if nothing else changes. Hard to argue with it though, idk what we're supposed to do with three people who can't even be bothered to read their role PMs.

Just in case CoD is scum saving his friends

 

Let's lynch Velocity instead

 

Vote: Velocity

Interesting late switch. Same could be said about you (switching vote to save your scum buddy). Let me do the same thing and keep it all on the level so that someone else can decide which inactive to hammer.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: iSoc

Vote: Imran

 

Switching your vote at the very end of the day to secure a no lynch seems super suspicious to me. Both mafia are lynch proof and possibly also have a role cop, so handing them a free NK + possible check of someone's role is the worst thing we could have done. The inactives aren't helping us anyway - mafia will just keep them alive because we won't know if any of them are scum or not, and they're basically free mislynches or at least people who won't vote and make it harder for town to get majority votes towards the end of the game - so it's not even like we'd be hurting ourselves to get rid of them early.

 

Anything you want to say to defend yourself?

I concur

 

Vote: Imran

I am not a

 

 

Vote: Imran

Switching your vote at the very end of the day to secure a no lynch seems super suspicious to me. Both mafia are lynch proof and possibly also have a role cop, so handing them a free NK + possible check of someone's role is the worst thing we could have done. The inactives aren't helping us anyway - mafia will just keep them alive because we won't know if any of them are scum or not, and they're basically free mislynches or at least people who won't vote and make it harder for town to get majority votes towards the end of the game - so it's not even like we'd be hurting ourselves to get rid of them early.

Anything you want to say to defend yourself?

 

 

I am not as active as I used to be and I don't really log in multiple times a day..its once a day at most. So the timing of my vote had nothing to do with switching it at the last moment to get a no-lynch. I logged in, saw weird switching of votes and unvoted to ensure Lyner is not doing what he accused COD of doing. There were still a couple of people (active) yet to vote so it looked fair to me to make sure the people yet to vote get a chance to vote. You had ample time to vote for an inactive on D1 but for some reason  you did not. In amy opinion, the by-standers on lynching on the first couple of days are more likely to be scum than those who are lynching. I would say there is one inactive scum and 1 by-stander (who did not vote either way).

ps: also forgot to mention, I messed up my timezones and I was thinking there was still 12 hours left for end of day. Its been a while I played this game and I though kevin ended his days on 12AM EST not 12PM. Any way thats of no consequence now.

 

Vote count

Imran Ehsan (2): lilweirdward, Lyner,

Velocity (0):

Ferastical (0):

iSocialism (0):

lilweirdward (0):

Captainjf (0):

Chaplain of death (0):

Lord MK (0):

Lyner (0):

Rafay (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not voting:  Captainjf, Ferastical, iSocialism, Velocity, Rafay, Lord MK, Chaplain of death, Imran Ehsan,

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is Monday, August 9, at 12:00 EDT.

Vote: Imran

 

brewers was vocal against him.

giving Imran benefit of the doubt, but just in case:

 

Vote: Velocity

A No Lynch on D1 is not such a bad thing anyway. It gives the power roles of town to get in some more information from the night (as Kevin says always). In any case, I don't mind repeating a lynch of one of the inactives on D2, although I have found LLW's actions to be extremely suspicious (not voting to lynch anyone on D1 and then trying to get me lynched on D2 for basically the same thing).

 

Vote: Velocity

 

I will go back to my D1 inactive vote, but I wouldnt mind lynching any one of the other inactives as well. Hopefully kevin will get a replacements soon.

Brewersalliance 2.0 replaces Velocity.

He may not reveal his N1 target as roleblocker.

 

Vote count

Imran Ehsan (2): lilweirdward, Rafay,
Brewers 2.0 (2): Lyner, Imran Ehsan,
Ferastical (0):
iSocialism (0):
lilweirdward (0):
Captainjf (0):
Chaplain of death (0):
Lord MK (0):
Lyner (0):
Rafay (0):
 
No Lynch (0):
 
Not voting:  Captainjf, Ferastical, iSocialism, Brewers 2.0, Lord MK, Chaplain of death,

 
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Monday, August 9, at 12:00 EDT.

Votes for Velocity were transferred to Brewers 2.0

I am not as active as I used to be and I don't really log in multiple times a day..its once a day at most. So the timing of my vote had nothing to do with switching it at the last moment to get a no-lynch. I logged in, saw weird switching of votes and unvoted to ensure Lyner is not doing what he accused COD of doing. There were still a couple of people (active) yet to vote so it looked fair to me to make sure the people yet to vote get a chance to vote.

I'm not sure how you can say that you only log in once a day (we all do at best, you can see how bad the community is doing right now) and also that you somehow thought that 30 minutes was enough time for someone else to come in and hammer one of the inactives for you. On that note, I'm not sure if I buy that you just didn't realize how little time was left. Kevin's mod post that indicated the day ending in 30 minutes was literally right above yours, and you must've read it to know that Lyner's switch from Ferastical to Velocity put Velocity in line to be lynched.

 

Besides, you didn't do the same thing that Lyner did because you switched your vote to someone that you knew only had one vote instead of switching it back to Ferastical. The vote switching in general is definitely weird, but basically ensuring that no one got lynched is definitely different and more worthy of a call out.

 

You had ample time to vote for an inactive on D1 but for some reason you did not. In amy opinion, the by-standers on lynching on the first couple of days are more likely to be scum than those who are lynching. I would say there is one inactive scum and 1 by-stander (who did not vote either way).

Well Mr. "I Only Log In Once a Day", when I checked in on the second to last day, Ferastical was in line to be lynched, which I noted and said would've been ok with me. Dropping an extra vote on him at that point is a double edged sword, because it ensures that we at least get one inactive lynched, but if that person flips town like they statistically probably would've, then I probably get put in the hot seat for clinching a train on someone. By the time I checked in next, it was too late - Lyner and you had already switched votes and the day was over. I even said in my post before the game closed that I would've lynched someone if I'd seen what you did in time.

 

I will say that normally I'd buy that non voters are more suspicious than the people who did vote, and outside of the inactives, I think they're probably our next best pool of people to find scum from. The only reason I'm calling you out specifically is for intentionally switching your vote to secure a no lynch.

Wait I replaced velocity? Lol uhhh okay?

 

Vote imran

No idea what my role is but I don’t like how imran acted at the end of the last day intentionally changing his vote and causing a no lunch and leaving three inactive players alive

 

 

And his reasoning for it is total bs. Not knowing the time? Give me a break

A No Lynch on D1 is not such a bad thing anyway. It gives the power roles of town to get in some more information from the night (as Kevin says always). In any case, I don't mind repeating a lynch of one of the inactives on D2, although I have found LLW's actions to be extremely suspicious (not voting to lynch anyone on D1 and then trying to get me lynched on D2 for basically the same thing).

 

Vote: Velocity

 

I will go back to my D1 inactive vote, but I wouldnt mind lynching any one of the other inactives as well. Hopefully kevin will get a replacements soon.

A no lunch is a HORRIBLE idea when you have three inactive players who won’t even read their role PMs

 

Keeping them alive only benefits scum.

A No Lynch on D1 is not such a bad thing anyway. It gives the power roles of town to get in some more information from the night (as Kevin says always). In any case, I don't mind repeating a lynch of one of the inactives on D2, although I have found LLW's actions to be extremely suspicious (not voting to lynch anyone on D1 and then trying to get me lynched on D2 for basically the same thing).

 

Vote: Velocity

 

I will go back to my D1 inactive vote, but I wouldnt mind lynching any one of the other inactives as well. Hopefully kevin will get a replacements soon.

A no lunch is a HORRIBLE idea when you have three inactive players who won’t even read their role PMs

 

Keeping them alive only benefits scum.

So I found the role PM for velocity, and unfortunately it’s not as cut and dry as imran just switching his vote last second to save his partner

 

I’m “sadly” town

 

I say sadly because if I was scum it would have been an easy win for town, just lynch velocity and imran and town wins. Now though we still have to find imrans partner

 

I am 99.99999% sure imran is scum. I was just as sure of it before scum killed me as I am now. Imran clearly was trying to force a no lynch. And all day 1 he seemed to agree that we need to lynch an inactive then he made absolutely sure of it that we did not lynch anyone. I now know he wasn’t trying to save his partner, he was just trying to keep the inactive players alive. And I think that makes more sense cause why would he risk standing out like that and tying his fate to velocity’s fate, when it was clear velocity wasn’t gonna show up, if velocity was his partner. With a potential joat and vig they could have (and should have) just shot velocity and if I’m imran, I’m not risking that if velocity is my partner. He gets shot and flips scum and then everyone knows imran is also scum. So I’m pretty sure he was just trying to force the three inactives to stay alive

 

 

With three people inactive that means town has theee less votes.

 

And one of the mafia is a lynch proof.

 

So that means town would lose a lynch

 

If mafia kills the active players and excellent scum hunters like me, and leaves the three inactive players alive this basically becomes an 8 player game. With my death it’s a 7 player. Force a mislynch or town to argue over which inactive to kill the next day and town is essentially ignoring hunting for mafia. Imran basically shortened the game significantly for the mafia by trying to keep inactives alive

 

TLDR: imran is mafia

 

Lynch him

Also I think me dying n1 can be useful as well to try to pinpoint his partner

 

I don’t think it would be lww with a night 1 kill of me. He knows I’ve been mafia in literally like every single game for the past year and how I almost quit mafia since I went like the year and a half before that with being killed n1 or 2 in ever single game. So I don’t think he would be that big of a dick and he would prob try to frame me as mafia for still being alive

 

I doubt it’s isoc or ferastical as well since they are inactive and in very certain it was imrans partner who did the kill

 

Lyner could be scum. He’s been scum in the past and I’m pretty sure I’ve cracked him on D1 and D2 a couple times when I was town and busted him as scum, so him knowing that I’ve off’d him a few times right off the bat of a game when he’s scum would be a solid reason to kill me

 

Rafay has suggested me as an early kill a few times as scum, so he could be a suspect, but he is also voting for imran and rafays history does not support him bussing scum partners, so I’m pretty sure he’s town

 

I just mod killed CoD in my other game and was kind of a dick to him so maybe that carried over? Don’t know him enough to know if he would carry a grudge like that, and I hope he wouldn’t

 

Mk is also fairly inactive right now, but he also would probably want me killed off early if he was scum since he has seen several times how I can take over a game single handed and I know he’s killed me early before

CaptainJF hasn’t been trying much either (both in my game and This one) so idk what to think

 

At the moment tho, I would lean towards imrans partner being MK or lyner, with lyner as the primary suspect

 

Lyner voted velocity (me)

 

If velocity was lynched instead of imran and came up town, then imran could try to use that as a defense and say “see I told you I wasn’t trying to save my partner”

 

So that’s why I’m thinking lyner is the most likely partner for imran (who I’m now 100% confident is scum)

 

I’m also very confident that Lww and rafay are town

So I found the role PM for velocity, and unfortunately it’s not as cut and dry as imran just switching his vote last second to save his partner

 

I’m “sadly” town

 

I say sadly because if I was scum it would have been an easy win for town, just lynch velocity and imran and town wins. Now though we still have to find imrans partner

Yeah I don't necessarily think what Imran did is scummy because it saved Velocity, but because it secured a no lynch at the very end of the day. Also I think that lynching Velocity/brewers before Imran would be dumb because it doesn't really prove anything and just loses us an active player who just got replaced in, whereas several people (myself obviously included) are pushing hard on Imran now, and one way or the other we'll learn a lot by how he flips.

Lyner could be scum. He’s been scum in the past and I’m pretty sure I’ve cracked him on D1 and D2 a couple times when I was town and busted him as scum, so him knowing that I’ve off’d him a few times right off the bat of a game when he’s scum would be a solid reason to kill me

 

...

 

At the moment tho, I would lean towards imrans partner being MK or lyner, with lyner as the primary suspect

 

Lyner voted velocity (me)

 

If velocity was lynched instead of imran and came up town, then imran could try to use that as a defense and say “see I told you I wasn’t trying to save my partner”

 

So that’s why I’m thinking lyner is the most likely partner for imran (who I’m now 100% confident is scum)

The only thing about Lyner is that he was the second person to vote Imran when this day started. Not that he wouldn't or hasn't bussed partners before, and he did "give Imran the benefit of the doubt" and unvote like a few posts later lol, but it would still be pretty risky to help push a lynch on your partner this early in the game. Granted, I'm pretty sure both mafia are lynch proof, so they'd still get one more night together...

 

The rest of it I mostly agree with. I'm not sure about the idea that Rafay wouldn't bus his partner though. IIRC he did it when you and MK were his scum partners and you bussed MK day one, and then hilariously took credit for it lol. I'm pretty sure he's bussed people in other games too, and he's at least good enough to jump on a sinking ship if he thinks he can praise himself for it after the game. Also, I don't think I'd be so sure that Imran wouldn't make the call to kill you himself if one of the other inactives is his partner, but I don't think they'd be my top suspects at this point.

 

At this point though I feel like we need to lynch Imran to confirm if he really is mafia or not. I have a hard time believing he's not, but it would obviously change the game a lot if that somehow is the case.

To answer the question that nobody asked ...
only 1 mafia is 1x lynch-proof
 
Vote count

Imran Ehsan (3): lilweirdward, Rafay, Brewers 2.0,
Brewers 2.0 (2): Lyner, Imran Ehsan,
Ferastical (0):
iSocialism (0):
lilweirdward (0):
Captainjf (0):
Chaplain of death (0):
Lord MK (0):
Lyner (0):
Rafay (0):
 
No Lynch (0):
 
Not voting:  Captainjf, Ferastical, iSocialism, Lord MK, Chaplain of death,

 
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Monday, August 9, at 12:00 EDT.

I smell scum brewers

 

let's lynch him

 

if he's scum we got Imran as scum

 

if he turns out town he can retake another inactive player

 

Its good to see Velocity getting replaced by an active player. But brewer's posts has convinced me that he is actually one of the scum. So I think my vote is still well placed.

I smell scum brewers

 

let's lynch him

 

if he's scum we got Imran as scum

 

if he turns out town he can retake another inactive player

 

I’m scum for suspecting you? Real clever

 

I smell scum brewers

 

let's lynch him

 

if he's scum we got Imran as scum

 

if he turns out town he can retake another inactive player

 

I’m scum for suspecting you? Real clever

Tbf your whole "aww man I'm sad Velocity is actually town" thing was kinda sus, but overall I doubt that Velocity was actually scum, and I think we gain more by lynching Imran first anyway.

lol i mean if velocity was scum, id get an easy win and i think it would put me in the top 5 for wins

plus now i get to probably die again n2, so thats also kinda sad lol

 

 

Yeah I don't necessarily think what Imran did is scummy because it saved Velocity, but because it secured a no lynch at the very end of the day

 

Why not? If both Velocity and Imran are scums then Imran was forced to make that vote. Meanwhile, a scum Imran securing a no-lynch isn't really an advantage imo. Town PRs gets 1 extra night action.

 

Yeah I don't necessarily think what Imran did is scummy because it saved Velocity, but because it secured a no lynch at the very end of the day

Why not? If both Velocity and Imran are scums then Imran was forced to make that vote. Meanwhile, a scum Imran securing a no-lynch isn't really an advantage imo. Town PRs gets 1 extra night action.

Imran could've easily just let his inactive partner get bussed since, if Velocity is mafia, it would've happened eventually anyway, and he probably would've known that it'd look scummy to take his vote off of his partner. On the other hand, we essentially need three successful lynches (thanks Kevin for correcting me!) out of 11 players starting the game, so it's in the mafia teams best interests to keep the inactives around long enough to use up some of our mislynches while they pick off more townies at night until all the PRs are gone. Giving scum a free night kill is moronic at best and scummy at worst.

 

I'm not saying Velocity/brewers 2.0 isn't also scum, but I think it's a lot more likely that Imran is, and if he isn't then I think it rules out the one thing that made Velocity possibly scum at all in the first place.

 

Yeah I don't necessarily think what Imran did is scummy because it saved Velocity, but because it secured a no lynch at the very end of the day

 

Why not? If both Velocity and Imran are scums then Imran was forced to make that vote. Meanwhile, a scum Imran securing a no-lynch isn't really an advantage imo. Town PRs gets 1 extra night action.

 

 

its a HUGE advanatge.  Scum can keep three players alive and have no danger for those three players to vote them or use their potential PRs against the scum.  it greatly shortens the game, especially late game, if scum keep them around, they wont ever be in danger of being lynched

 

and speaking of saving inactives....  i went back and noticed this

 

Ferasitcal, another inactive, was in danger of being lynched.  So lyner does this

 

 

 

Let's lynch Velocity instead   Vote: Velocity

 

 

And what was the very next post after lyner did that???? you guessed it,  imran switching his vote off velocity

 

So lyners action saved ferastical -inactive #1 and imran saved velocity.   feels like a joint effort here to me.  

 

@kevin, do the scum have day talk?

 

 

Just in case CoD is scum saving his friends

 

 

also lyners reasoning for switching his vote was blaming CoD and trying to frame him as potential scum for switching his vote

 

now what was the vote count at the time CoD did that?

 

 

 

Velocity (2): Imran Ehsan, Chaplain of death,

 

 

velocity had TWO votes.  he was not in danger of being lynched at that time, so CoD was not saving him, rather CoD was ensuring that an inactive player would be lynched by putting ferastical to 3 votes, which is the deadline requirement.

 

so not only did lyner save an inactive, but he also tried to spread misinformation with the post.  

 

 

This is actually pretty scummy since you did it right before deadline, which means no one is getting lynched today (deadline is passed or I'd lynch someone just to have something to analyze tomorrow). Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

 

also lww any reason u didnt at least try to vote here?  sure it was past 12 est but if you voted, kevin MIGHT have counted it, it couldnt have hurt to try....  while im pretty sure you are town, you were the only person on after the vote switch... and you are calling it scummy to let no one be lynched yet you didnt even psot a vote.  instead u used an excuse.  like i said im still pretty sure you are town, this just feels a little scummy to me.

also lww any reason u didnt at least try to vote here? sure it was past 12 est but if you voted, kevin MIGHT have counted it, it couldnt have hurt to try.... while im pretty sure you are town, you were the only person on after the vote switch... and you are calling it scummy to let no one be lynched yet you didnt even psot a vote. instead u used an excuse. like i said im still pretty sure you are town, this just feels a little scummy to me.

He absolutely would not have counted it. Kevin is one of the most consistent mods in the entire community, and he never does bastard stuff like that. I should've voted well ahead of time to avoid letting what ended up happening happen though. I just didn't think anyone would swap votes to get no one lynched so close to the end of the day and didn't realize it happened until it was too late.

 

also lww any reason u didnt at least try to vote here? sure it was past 12 est but if you voted, kevin MIGHT have counted it, it couldnt have hurt to try.... while im pretty sure you are town, you were the only person on after the vote switch... and you are calling it scummy to let no one be lynched yet you didnt even psot a vote. instead u used an excuse. like i said im still pretty sure you are town, this just feels a little scummy to me.

He absolutely would not have counted it. Kevin is one of the most consistent mods in the entire community, and he never does bastard stuff like that. I should've voted well ahead of time to avoid letting what ended up happening happen though. I just didn't think anyone would swap votes to get no one lynched so close to the end of the day and didn't realize it happened until it was too late.

 

I mean you dont know for sure if he would have or not.  so it couldnt have hurt to try.  most likely he wouldnt have but u never know.  maybe kevin forgets its est and thinks its CN time 

still, imran did it on purpose

 

imran is scum

 

lynch imran