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The One I Cannot Kill
Reference https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=The_One_I_Cannot_Kill

Setup

• 1 × Mafia Semi-Priest
• 2 × Vanilla Townie

Mechanics

• The game only lasts a single day; town win if Mafia is eliminated (or modkilled), Mafia wins otherwise.
• The Semi-Priest cannot hammer a randomly chosen townie. Attempting to do so automatically causes them to lose. (This restriction is on hammers only; non-hammer votes are fine, as are hammers on the other townie.)

Players
1.  Zacch
2.  LordSunday
3.  Imran Ehsan

Role PMs have been sent.

It is now Day (the one and only).

It takes 2 to lynch.

There is no deadline.

Checking in. Interesting setup!

 

So if I read it correctly the scum cannot hammer one of the 2 townies, whose name has been shared with him privately by the Mod. If that is the case he will be biased towards the lynching on only one specific townie because that is the only way he can win.

Also checking in. Seeing as there's no deadline really no reason to do anything until Zacch drops in.

 

The setup is very interesting. Essentially scum either has to put up the first vote and hope to get a townie to seal, or they get lucky and have the opportunity to hammer the townie they weren't assigned. In either way, I think any townie needs to weigh heavily before voting

Vote Count
Zacch (0)
LordSunday (0)
Imran Ehsan (0)

Not voting: Zacch, LordSunday, Imran Ehsan

With the setup, the game should only proceed when all 3 players have checked in. So lets wait for Zacch.

Checking In.

 

Vote Count

Zacch (0)

LordSunday (0)

Imran Ehsan (0)

 

Not voting: Zacch, LordSunday, Imran Ehsan

Vote Count

Zacch (0)

LordSunday (0)

Imran Ehsan (0)

 

Not voting: Zacch, LordSunday, Imran Ehsan

 

Vote: KevinH

 

Vote Count

KevinH (1): Zacch

Zacch (0)

LordSunday (0)

Imran Ehsan (0)

 

Not voting: Zacch, LordSunday, Imran Ehsan

 

Of course! A perfect deduction of our true enemy.

 

 

Vote Count
Zacch (0)
LordSunday (0)
Imran Ehsan (0)

Not voting: Zacch, LordSunday, Imran Ehsan

 

Vote: KevinH

 

 

 

Vote: KevinH

Looks like we have enough votes to hammer Kevin, 

 

Mod killed all players win.

Day 1 lulz aside, where do we start, seems like we have nothing to go on and need to make an important decision,

Day 1 lulz aside, where do we start, seems like we have nothing to go on and need to make an important decision,

 

Looking at the whole picture, we have all the time in the world to decide.

 

Obviously we all will claim to be townies, so we all can work on the assumption that one of the others is a fellow town and one is scum. But the interesting part is that scum has to account for the fact there's one person they cannot hammer. I would imagine based on whoever that is they'll have a couple of overarching strategies they could go for. Namely, vote first, or target the one they can hammer.

 

It's difficult to say what our best collective course of action is here. We have nothing that we will be able to go on except each other's posts. Best thing we can do is keep conversation going and see who blinks

 

Day 1 lulz aside, where do we start, seems like we have nothing to go on and need to make an important decision,

 

Looking at the whole picture, we have all the time in the world to decide.

 

Obviously we all will claim to be townies, so we all can work on the assumption that one of the others is a fellow town and one is scum. But the interesting part is that scum has to account for the fact there's one person they cannot hammer. I would imagine based on whoever that is they'll have a couple of overarching strategies they could go for. Namely, vote first, or target the one they can hammer.

 

It's difficult to say what our best collective course of action is here. We have nothing that we will be able to go on except each other's posts. Best thing we can do is keep conversation going and see who blinks

 

 

Hmm, is there any scenario where town voting first would be beneficial? It seems like 50/50 to hit scum, but if you hit town its 50/50 that scum cant hammer.

 

Now for scum, it seems like game rules favor them to vote first, but that would be an obvious tell, so logical choice would be for scum to wait for the first vote to be cast and then they would have 50/50 chance of hammering to win the game?

 

Vote Count

KevinH (2): Zacch, LordSunday

Zacch (0)

LordSunday (0)

Imran Ehsan (0)

 

Not voting: Zacch, LordSunday, Imran Ehsan

 

Well there doesnt seem to be much to go on, except taking leaps of faith. Easiest way forward for scum is to vote first but he will want to hold back and try to see if a townie votes for the hammerable townie. 

 

Wellll.....I know I am town, which leaves LS or Zacch to be scum. The game is not gonna go anywhere unless someone votes. If the vote is on hammer-able townie then game is over, otherwise we will have more to talk about....

 

So lets get on with it: 50:50 chance

 

Vote: Zacch

 

 

Day 1 lulz aside, where do we start, seems like we have nothing to go on and need to make an important decision,

 

Looking at the whole picture, we have all the time in the world to decide.

 

Obviously we all will claim to be townies, so we all can work on the assumption that one of the others is a fellow town and one is scum. But the interesting part is that scum has to account for the fact there's one person they cannot hammer. I would imagine based on whoever that is they'll have a couple of overarching strategies they could go for. Namely, vote first, or target the one they can hammer.

 

It's difficult to say what our best collective course of action is here. We have nothing that we will be able to go on except each other's posts. Best thing we can do is keep conversation going and see who blinks

 

 

Hmm, is there any scenario where town voting first would be beneficial? It seems like 50/50 to hit scum, but if you hit town its 50/50 that scum cant hammer.

 

Now for scum, it seems like game rules favor them to vote first, but that would be an obvious tell, so logical choice would be for scum to wait for the first vote to be cast and then they would have 50/50 chance of hammering to win the game?

 

 

Both of your probabilities are correct. It causes an interesting postulation and honestly you might be right that a town vote may be the most apt considering it either immediately ends the game, or, more likely, causes further discussion.

 

 

Well there doesnt seem to be much to go on, except taking leaps of faith. Easiest way forward for scum is to vote first but he will want to hold back and try to see if a townie votes for the hammerable townie. 

 

Wellll.....I know I am town, which leaves LS or Zacch to be scum. The game is not gonna go anywhere unless someone votes. If the vote is on hammer-able townie then game is over, otherwise we will have more to talk about....

 

So lets get on with it: 50:50 chance

 

Vote: Zacch

 

Of course now we have one to go on. This puts me into the interesting scenario where now the question for you both becomes am I not going to hammer because I'm a townie that doesn't want to simply risk ending the game, or am I scum that can't hammer Zaach.

 

If we put every possible scenario down we have technically eliminated one now (because if it were true this game would be over):

 

Imran Scum - Cannot Hammer Sunday

Imran Scum - Cannot Hammer Zaach

Sunday Scum - Cannot Hammer Imran

Sunday Scum - Cannot Hammer Zaach

Zaach Scum - Cannot Hammer Imran

Zaach Scum - Cannot Hammer Sunday

Excellent.

 

LS, the option you cut off is wrong. The option off the table now is you are scum and can't hammer Zacch.

Oh wait....nvm..you are right

Lets reset.

 

Unvote

Let's reset

 

Unvote

 

 

Imran Scum - Cannot Hammer Sunday

Imran Scum - Cannot Hammer Zaach

Sunday Scum - Cannot Hammer Imran

Sunday Scum - Cannot Hammer Zaach

Zaach Scum - Cannot Hammer Imran

Zaach Scum - Cannot Hammer Sunday

 

 

Probability is honestly the best way to look at our choices here. Working on the assumption that Imran was in fact a townie placing his vote randomly there was essentially a 25% chance it would end the game and 75% chance it was a "safe" vote, since of the above scenarios there were only 4 that would apply (the ones where Zaach or myself are scum), and only one of those would have ended the game.

 

Now though the probabilities have shifted. If I make a random vote, we're looking at the same 25/75 odds. But if Zaach or Imran makes a vote it's a 33/66 chance, since one of the possibilities is already negated by Imran's vote and my non-hammer. Again, this all assumes the person making the vote is actually a townie. If they are the scum, then their vote has no risk at all.

 

I wonder if it would be worthwhile to risk "confirming" a townie (essentially having Zaach vote Imran, me make a post about how I won't hammer to acknowledge the vote, and then we now have a proven town (me) by virtue of non-hammering both other players). Completely removing one player from the prospective voting pool would mean we only have two players to focus on and give us a more solid foundation to work from. Otherwise, by pure probability I would make the next vote to play our 25/75 chance.

wow..this thread is acting really buggy. Meant to post this yesterday..but lets try again

 

Resetting!

 

Unvote

Vote Count
Zacch (0): 
LordSunday (0)
Imran Ehsan (0)

Not voting: Zacch, LordSunday, Imran Ehsan
 

It's near impossible for me to post in this currently. When I load the thread it either continuously refreshes or stops at post 20. Given that is when the page normally cycles over I think that's the big problem we're seeing with the thread itself.

 

On another note, in the times I can load the thread if I start to type a response it will show there are new replies that I can hit to show all the posts up until Kevin's most recent one. It's weird and until it gets resolved in some way I'm going to probably only check in very sporadically.