It was quiet that night in Arcanus, as usual. It was around midnight, and most everyone was in bed asleep, or getting ready to go to sleep. Suddenly, powerful explosions rocked the town. The whole town shook as though it was an earthquake. Out of some windows, you could see colourful flashes of light. Then it stopped. Puzzled, afraid, and intrigued, the townsfolk got out of bed to investigate. They found the fields of Farmer Joe scorched badly, and here and there it looked as though there had been an explosion. Talking amongst themselves and putting tow and tow together, they soon realized that these were no ordinary explosions; they were caused by magic. Everyone headed back to their homes in fear and awe wondering what would happen next...

I said that I know that there is another power-role. I know who the person is. And that's it. I will not be releasing either of these details.

 

 

Aquinas: Good point.

 

 

No...this is the exact quote "I'm getting information every night, and I know that someone else is too". In that post you didn't mention anything about another power role.

 

BUT...if you do know who the person is...and he/she has a power role...I find it unlikely that person is pro-town.

 

On D4, you pointed out that you had visions of Mole (who roleclaimed a pro-town power role) so that would be your N3 action. So it can't be mole whom you saw on N2. And we already have KevinH as the pro-town vig. So are you actually stating that we have 4 pro-town roles???

 

KevinH

mole

SJ

identity unknown seen in N2????

 

4 pro-town roles in a game of 12 seems to be stacked in the townies favour.

I do not know the person's intentions, nor do I know their faction

I do not know the person's intentions, nor do I know their faction

 

 

What did you get when you saw EM then?

I do not know the person's intentions, nor do I know their faction

 

If you didn't know the person's intentions or factions...then how would you that there was another power-role beside mole?

You even had to have mole roleclaim he was doc.

 

And if there is another power-role besides mole...then surely it can't be pro-town. 4 pro-town roles is too much in a game of 12.

If you didn't know the person's intentions or factions...then how would you that there was another power-role beside mole?

You even had to have mole roleclaim he was doc.

 

And if there is another power-role besides mole...then surely it can't be pro-town. 4 pro-town roles is too much in a game of 12.

 

You'll never as this game is full of surprises.

What did you get when you saw EM then?

 

I felt him killing. I knew he had slain someone that night, but didn't know until the morning with the rest of you.

 

If you didn't know the person's intentions or factions...then how would you that there was another power-role beside mole?

You even had to have mole roleclaim he was doc.

 

And if there is another power-role besides mole...then surely it can't be pro-town. 4 pro-town roles is too much in a game of 12.

 

I knew that molestargazer was at my house, but did not know his intentions or his faction.

 

And do not count out the possibility of 4 pro-town power rules....

 

 

@ Kazio: What is your take on the current situation.

At this point I am not convinced wither party in question is scum and as such I do not feel comfortable tossing in a half lynch on either because it seems for now that a half lynch may be all we will reach.

 

Vote: crazyemolad

 

Theophilos/crazyemolad is the only person who did not vote for both ElectricMango and Angel of Doom. This seems to me to make him the most likely candidate to be the controller. Granted the controller is not necessarily scum he is necessarily not-town and as a possibility to be scum. I think this voting record provides better evidence than I have been able to decipher from the bickering that has built up the day thus far. Also, interestingly enough Theophilos did vote for KevinH on day 1.

 

Also, I would like to insert my concern that no suspicion has been brought on CannuckDynasty almost the entire game. This concerns me because he has done a very good job of controlling and prodding people for information. We seem to be letting such a big voice off easy but, we've got his word afterall. I can't deduce anything scummy from his vote patterns and that goes a long way, does anyone have a better read on his actions?

 

I've voiced previously what you have thought re CD. I said he could be the controller. Good vote though on crazy since his vote on junk, he has my FOS because of the lack of rationale and participation in discussion it seems like a wagon vote.

I felt him killing. I knew he had slain someone that night, but didn't know until the morning with the rest of you.

 

 

 

I knew that molestargazer was at my house, but did not know his intentions or his faction.

 

And do not count out the possibility of 4 pro-town power rules....

 

 

@ Kazio: What is your take on the current situation.

 

Hmm from what it looks like you are able to investigate people uncontrollably, but only people who use powers. So when EM killed, you saw it. When mole protected, you saw it. So now I'm assuming from what you have said you have seen another power being used during the night and most likely this has something to do with getting information (from what you said that CD quoted).

Here is an out-of-the box thinking/theory regarding the game setup.

 

What if....the game was a dual between 2 wizards that could only use summoned beings (1 sk, 1 doc, and 1 seer).

That would be 5 power roles and 7 plain townies.

 

For example...

 

Pro-town: KevinH

 

Self-Aligned: EM, AoD, SJ

 

Mafia: Mole

 

 

That would explain why there wasn't any nk for 2 nights (ie. no sk to do the killing) and explain why no counter-claim on SJ or Mole. It would also explain why there are so many "self-aligned" roles.

 

good thinking out of the box. though why put mole in the mafia?

 

I think that is a possible set-up. A duel between two wizards would fit the theme of the game. My only problem as you've said is that there would be a lot of power roles. Given that we've had proven self-aligned SK and Golem, proven pro-town Vig, and role claimed pro-town Cleric, Seer, it would seem that by parallelism it implies that there is a self-aligned counterpart of the Seer. Only then would the battle be even. Otherwise, whoever is controlling those self-aligned would be too powerful. Don't think Narsis would create an imbalanced set-up.

 

Who is the Controller, the Seer's counterpart, and the Controller's counterpart? It would be a lot of power roles but then again this is Mage Wars after all. Zany as it seems but from everything we have it all fits.

for me it seems that SJ can only see a action that happened during the night. also, interesting theory on the 2 wizards battling each other.

I felt him killing. I knew he had slain someone that night, but didn't know until the morning with the rest of you.

 

 

 

I knew that molestargazer was at my house, but did not know his intentions or his faction.

 

And do not count out the possibility of 4 pro-town power rules....

 

 

@ Kazio: What is your take on the current situation.

 

I am 100% certain that there are 4 self-aligned summoned beings and I'm thinking like this...

 

Mafia Summoner Controls...

EM (Demon)

XXXXX

 

Pro-Town Summoner Controls...

AoD (Golem)

SJ (Seer)

 

But it does not mean that XXXXX is anti-town like EM as he's only controlled by the summoner so when his scum summoner dies, he could use it to help the townies.

I am 100% certain that there are 4 self-aligned summoned beings and I'm thinking like this...

 

Mafia Summoner Controls...

EM (Demon)

XXXXX

 

Pro-Town Summoner Controls...

AoD (Golem)

SJ (Seer)

 

But it does not mean that XXXXX is anti-town like EM as he's only controlled by the summoner so when his scum summoner dies, he could use it to help the townies.

 

HMMM I think AoD should be in the Mafia and Mole in the pro-town roles. But also, I don't think the Pro-town "Summoner" controls SJ or Mole. SJ has said his powers are uncontrollably random while Mole's is controllable. Lastly, I think it was junk's thesis that if self-aligneds die, they could become pro-town. I've already disapproved of this thesis but again, even if that were true, why let them live (junk's justification of unvoting AoD) and allow the controller to use their powers?

Mole was not there because I know he's not being controlled

To carry on Kazio and Falzis train of thought....

 

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to see something like this:

 

Mafia Summoner (xxxxx) Controls...

EM (Demon)

AoD (Doc)

 

Pro-Town Summoner (KevinH) Controls...

Mole (Cleric)

SJ (Seer)

 

 

@Falzis - you're assuming that everything SJ and Mole are telling the truth. But if they are self-aligned...seeing that KevinH got lynched on D1...they would have full control of their abilities anyways.

 

And a counterpart to a seer would probably be a role-blocker.

HMMM I think AoD should be in the Mafia and Mole in the pro-town roles. But also, I don't think the Pro-town "Summoner" controls SJ or Mole. SJ has said his powers are uncontrollably random while Mole's is controllable. Lastly, I think it was junk's thesis that if self-aligneds die, they could become pro-town. I've already disapproved of this thesis but again, even if that were true, why let them live (junk's justification of unvoting AoD) and allow the controller to use their powers?

 

Okay I thought SJ was controlled so it's like this?

 

Mafia Summoner Controls...

EM (Demon)

AoD (Golem)

XXXXX

 

Pro-Town Counterpart or something....

KevinH (Vigilante)

Mole (Doctor)

SJ (Seer)

 

So XXXXX could be someone that investigates people or something.

To carry on Kazio and Falzis train of thought....

 

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to see something like this:

 

Mafia Summoner (xxxxx) Controls...

EM (Demon)

AoD (Doc)

 

Pro-Town Summoner (KevinH) Controls...

Mole (Cleric)

SJ (Seer)

 

 

@Falzis - you're assuming that everything SJ and Mole are telling the truth. But if they are self-aligned...seeing that KevinH got lynched on D1...they would have full control of their abilities anyways.

 

And a counterpart to a seer would probably be a role-blocker.

 

But Mole and SJ are not controlled right?

I felt him killing. I knew he had slain someone that night, but didn't know until the morning with the rest of you.

 

I knew that molestargazer was at my house, but did not know his intentions or his faction.

 

And do not count out the possibility of 4 pro-town power rules....

 

@ Kazio: What is your take on the current situation.

 

 

@SJ - no no no. I'm not talking about your N3 actions. I'm talking about your N2 actions. You clearly posted that you receive info every night and someone else is too. That post was during D3 (prior to N3). You then said that you knew a power role and knew who it was as to explain that post. So that should mean you got that info on N2.

 

And if there were 4 pro-town power roles...then there should be at least 5 mafia as a counter balance...leaving just 3 vanilla townies?

I don't think so.

 

A more probable scenario would be 3 pro-town, 4 mafia, 5 vanilla townies.

But Mole and SJ are not controlled right?

 

Yeah...that's assuming that KevinH was their controller and they get control of their abilities once their controller dies (ie. from what EM and AoD said).

Mole was not there because I know he's not being controlled

 

 

How do you know for sure that Mole is not being controlled?

Yeah...that's assuming that KevinH was their controller and they get control of their abilities once their controller dies (ie. from what EM and AoD said).

 

But SJ said that he's only a member of this town just like the rest of us...

 

Oh my god.... Here it goes again.

 

I'm a member of this town, just like the rest of you. I am pro-town, not self-aligned. I have no faction other than the town itself.

 

I sleep at night and have dreams. When I dream, I tune into a stressful event. The information available to me is completely random.

How do you know for sure that Mole is not being controlled?

 

I assumed he's not being controlled because he only said that he's doc or something. When he comes back he can tell us these things.

But SJ said that he's only a member of this town just like the rest of us...

 

Again...that's assuming he's telling the truth. Same thing with Mole.

 

The scenario I put forth of 2 wizards dueling was to try to find an explaination as to why we went 2 nights without a kill. I can't believe that mafia would not kill 2 nights in a row. Mafia knew that SJ was a seer and AoD was a doc cuz they roleclaimed. But why wasn't anyone else targeted...(ie. me, you, etc)???????

 

I'm almost curious to go with a no-lynch to see if Mafia did lose their nk ability.

Again...that's assuming he's telling the truth. Same thing with Mole.

 

The scenario I put forth of 2 wizards dueling was to try to find an explaination as to why we went 2 nights without a kill. I can't believe that mafia would not kill 2 nights in a row. Mafia knew that SJ was a seer and AoD was a doc cuz they roleclaimed. But why wasn't anyone else targeted...(ie. me, you, etc)???????

 

I'm almost curious to go with a no-lynch to see if Mafia did lose their nk ability.

 

It's possible that on Day 2, SJ was protected by Mole then on Day 3, the mafia thought that the town lynched the town's only "doc" so they tried to kill SJ again but fortunately they failed again.

@SJ - no no no. I'm not talking about your N3 actions. I'm talking about your N2 actions. You clearly posted that you receive info every night and someone else is too. That post was during D3 (prior to N3). You then said that you knew a power role and knew who it was as to explain that post. So that should mean you got that info on N2.

 

And if there were 4 pro-town power roles...then there should be at least 5 mafia as a counter balance...leaving just 3 vanilla townies?

I don't think so.

 

A more probable scenario would be 3 pro-town, 4 mafia, 5 vanilla townies.

 

*Sigh* I'll say it again...

 

I received information on N2, and I will not be sharing it until the time is pertinent.

 

I'm not sure if I'm being controlled, but I don't really think that I am. I have no deep connections with any particular person here, and I know for a fact I am not self-aligned. Only when the town's enemies are dead may I rest peacefully.

When's the deadline?