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[Aquinas]

I wonder about our rule change now. Is it possible that anti-town power roles can use their powers from room to room but, townies are limited to the room they assign themselves to? This would tip the game in favor of the mafia but, it might help clear up the role block situation. It seems to me that the scum would find Narsis to be a more likely candidate for the doctor than Falzis, according to his outspoken town behavior. This would mean if they wanted to kill KevinH they had the option to role-block Narsis or Falzis because blocking other rooms wouldn't make sense if they doctor had to be there to prevent the night kill. Just something to think about. Falzis is playing dumb now about the situation. Maybe Falzis wasn't informed or roleblocked because he is scum trying to look innocent...

If the rules don't work our that the rooms some how limit someones power role I don't understand why they would still exist. Its seems like we're not getting to lucky on this whole item thing and even with items they could be randomly assigned without rooms.

VOTE COUNT


Not Voting (10): Narsis, Electric Mango, Samus, Sir Jesus, SinKon, Falzis, Kaziocore, Aquinas, CanucksDynasty, Martino

With 10 Alive, 6 is needed to lynch.

Edited by molestargazer, 21 December 2009 - 10:16 AM.

[Aquinas]

FOS: Falzis

[Falzis]

Well I don't know what happened really but I agree that mafia could have thought KevinH was cop because of his cop post and Narsis could have been doc that's why they were NKed and RBed respectively.

What I know is that it can't be both true that scum can 1. move anywhere to do night actions and 2. do night actions only in their room. If two persons in my room were both recipients of night action, then one of the scum couldn't have been inside the room if you assume I am one of the scum.

That is also assuming that Narsis is telling the truth (claiming he was roleblocked could be a ruse, I know it's unlikely since I also place Narsis as pro-town but you never know!). Or it could be a ploy by mafia to shift the discussion to room placements and me.

[CanucksDynasty]

Well I don't know what happened really but I agree that mafia could have thought KevinH was cop because of his cop post and Narsis could have been doc that's why they were NKed and RBed respectively.

What I know is that it can't be both true that scum can 1. move anywhere to do night actions and 2. do night actions only in their room. If two persons in my room were both recipients of night action, then one of the scum couldn't have been inside the room if you assume I am one of the scum.

That is also assuming that Narsis is telling the truth (claiming he was roleblocked could be a ruse, I know it's unlikely since I also place Narsis as pro-town but you never know!). Or it could be a ploy by mafia to shift the discussion to room placements and me.

IF we are assuming Narsis is telling the truth.
Then indeed, there is no room movement restrictions.
And there are at least 2 mafia...one to roleblock Narsis and one to nk KevinH.

[Electric Mango]

IF we are assuming Narsis is telling the truth.
Then indeed, there is no room movement restrictions.
And there are at least 2 mafia...one to roleblock Narsis and one to nk KevinH.

I'm guessing one Godfather, one roleblocker, one goon.

Mole said he may be putting twists on current roles or coming up with his own. Should be interesting to watch this develop.

I'm out of ideas on where to go next. I'm hoping for others to make some strong cases or plans.

[Narsis]

So you suspect either:

KevinH and SJ
or
KevinH and EM

I take it then that you'll vote for KevinH tomorrow then?

considering how the night went...could you refresh my memory of why you said this?

[CanucksDynasty]

I wonder about our rule change now. Is it possible that anti-town power roles can use their powers from room to room but, townies are limited to the room they assign themselves to? This would tip the game in favor of the mafia but, it might help clear up the role block situation. It seems to me that the scum would find Narsis to be a more likely candidate for the doctor than Falzis, according to his outspoken town behavior. This would mean if they wanted to kill KevinH they had the option to role-block Narsis or Falzis because blocking other rooms wouldn't make sense if they doctor had to be there to prevent the night kill. Just something to think about. Falzis is playing dumb now about the situation. Maybe Falzis wasn't informed or roleblocked because he is scum trying to look innocent...

If the rules don't work our that the rooms some how limit someones power role I don't understand why they would still exist. Its seems like we're not getting to lucky on this whole item thing and even with items they could be randomly assigned without rooms.

What are the odds that room assignements would have a cop, doc, and mafia in one room together?
That is the scenario you are painting.

Since we've covered all the rooms in the plane...I'm assuming items have been found and haven't been shared with everyone just yet.

[Aquinas]

What are the odds that room assignements would have a cop, doc, and mafia in one room together?
That is the scenario you are painting.

Since we've covered all the rooms in the plane...I'm assuming items have been found and haven't been shared with everyone just yet.

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that Narsis is the doctor. I only mean to show that Narsis would be perceived more likely to be the doctor than Falzis. I do not think that Narsis is necessarily the doctor but, that he would be an appropriate candidate to block. If the mafia were betting on someone I think it would likely be him.

Also, you're assuming that just being in a room allows you to acquire an item. It could be that you have to be in a room and then you have a % chance of coming across a useful item. This would make the most sense to me.

I'd just like to say I've been pretty sick these last couple days and been taking finals and going to work. I really don't mean to be picking any fights. I'm just thinking out loud not gunning for any definitive truth. That would be impossible in my current state.

[Narsis]

Also, you're assuming that just being in a room allows you to acquire an item. It could be that you have to be in a room and then you have a % chance of coming across a useful item. This would make the most sense to me.

i agree with this.

[Electric Mango]

considering how the night went...could you refresh my memory of why you said this?

Well first, you said this:

additionally i wouldnt be surprised if KevinH and SJ or Kevin and EM showed up as mafia. the votes they placed against each other feel like distancing votes to me.

So then I asked:

So you suspect either:

KevinH and SJ
or
KevinH and EM

I take it then that you'll vote for KevinH tomorrow then?

You replied:

maybe, maybe not. was planning on rereading a few things etc. besides you never know how the night or following day is going to go.

It seems pretty obvious that you thought Kevin was definitely someone you had suspicion of. I'm curious why you don't remember.

[Narsis]

It seems pretty obvious that you thought Kevin was definitely someone you had suspicion of. I'm curious why you don't remember.

indeed i remember. but what i dont know is what you were thinking/why you said that. what information did you hope to gain? and how does that information benefit the town?

[CanucksDynasty]

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that Narsis is the doctor. I only mean to show that Narsis would be perceived more likely to be the doctor than Falzis. I do not think that Narsis is necessarily the doctor but, that he would be an appropriate candidate to block. If the mafia were betting on someone I think it would likely be him.

OK...let's try that again.

We know that mafia nk KevinH. Why? Possibly because they suspect him of having a power-role (like a cop as someone previous suggested). Then Narsis claims he was roleblocked. Why? Possibly because they suspect him of having a power role (as a doc). And then you suggested Falzis as a possible mafia. Hence your FOS on him.

Is it possible that Falzis is mafia? Yes.

IF mafia were thinking that either KevinH or Narsis were the cop...then chances are Falzis would have been found out on N2. To prevent that from happening...both were essentially nullifed. A bit of a reach...but certainly plausible.

[Narsis]

OK...let's try that again.

We know that mafia nk KevinH. Why? Possibly because they suspect him of having a power-role (like a cop as someone previous suggested). Then Narsis claims he was roleblocked. Why? Possibly because they suspect him of having a power role (as a doc). And then you suggested Falzis as a possible mafia. Hence your FOS on him.

Is it possible that Falzis is mafia? Yes.

IF mafia were thinking that either KevinH or Narsis were the cop...then chances are Falzis would have been found out on N2. To prevent that from happening...both were essentially nullifed. A bit of a reach...but certainly plausible.

not necessarily. as the roleblock pm proves, power roles are not limited to their and adjacent rooms. thus it's quite likely that me or Kevin would have investigated outside the room.

[Electric Mango]

indeed i remember. but what i dont know is what you were thinking/why you said that. what information did you hope to gain? and how does that information benefit the town?

KevinH and SJ
or
KevinH and EM

I believed at the time that KevinH was our best lynch candidate yesterday. After junkahoolic was lynched, you named Kevin in two possible scum scenarios. If he was lynched and found to be scum, then according to you, we would have 2 excellent candidates for tomorrow's lynch as well. You placed and held the 3rd vote on Sinkon, when you could have placed the 3rd vote on KevinH instead.

KevinH seemed like a much better target then junkahoolic and I was wondering why you did not change your vote. I found it suspicious and wanted more information.

[CanucksDynasty]

not necessarily. as the roleblock pm proves, power roles are not limited to their and adjacent rooms. thus it's quite likely that me or Kevin would have investigated outside the room.

True...but at the beginning...one of the reasons for grouping in rooms was so the cop can investigate his roomies. The mafia may have thought would also continue onto N2.

[CanucksDynasty]

I believe Narsis is telling the truth, because he is not on the chopping block, so if he were a mafia, he wouldn't need to risk a fake claim . So, he gains nothing from lying?

I don't see him being able to gain anything, if he were a mafia, by telling us this.
Oh...man going in circle is tiring. Narsis is going to die anyway.

If Narsis is not the cop, the real cop will investgate him and Narsis will be lynched the next day, or if he is the doctor, then he is dead.
Anyway, if he is the cop, he will be targeted next.
If he is not the cop, he will still be targeted, because he is the doctor.
If he doesn't die during the night, he will be lynched, for suspicion for being a mafia
Basically, Narsis will be the next to die.

Unless, you prove yourself to be the cop and the doctor will definitely protects you.
So Narsis, who have you investigated? You voted for me last time so I know you didn't investigate me. Who are the mafias? Found any? Who are the townies? Tell us your power, you are dead anyway.
Kevin got killed, I have no idea who could be a mafia anymore. Why would the mafia kill Kevin?

Why would you assume Narsis will be dead?
Your round about way of asking Narsis to roleclaim is a bit disturbing.

[SinKon]

Why would you assume Narsis will be dead?
Your round about way of asking Narsis to roleclaim is a bit disturbing.

Because he is dead. He shows to have a power role, got roleblocked. If he doesn't have a role, there is nothing to block, like the mafia would let him live throught the night. If he lives through the night, then there is only 2 reasons. One, the doctor protects him, or two, he is a mafia. If he is not the cop, the doctor could protect someone else. If he is the cop, he should tell us everything he knows so that the truth will not die with him.

CD, what is disturbing is that you are playing dumb.
My round about way of asking? Narsis said he was roleblocked!

FOS: CD

[CanucksDynasty]

Because he is dead. He shows to have a power role, got roleblocked. If he doesn't have a role, there is nothing to block, like the mafia would let him live throught the night. If he lives through the night, then there is only 2 reasons. One, the doctor protects him, or two, he is a mafia. If he is not the cop, the doctor could protect someone else. If he is the cop, he should tell us everything he knows so that the truth will not die with him.

CD, what is disturbing is that you are playing dumb.
My round about way of asking? Narsis said he was roleblocked!

FOS: CD

@SinKon - see Martino's post below.

I don't think that Narsis has a powerrole. He is experienced enough to know he should have remained quiet if he is. However, it also seems strange that a townie would be told that he is roleblocked. He doesn't have a nightaction, so why would it matter to him that he got roleblocked? Sure it gives us extra information, so it is good. But I haven't seen a townie receive a message that he was roleblocked before.


In a normal game the roleblocker would not get told if he prevented a nightaction. That would overpower him. Further, I haven't played that much with roleblockers either. I've seen mafia and pro town roleblockers, though the mafia roleblocker seems to be more common.

You are assuming that Narsis has a power role.
That may not be the case.
We will know for sure if and when Narsis decides to roleclaim.

And I don't think he'll die on N3 anyways.

[Electric Mango]

It isn't that much of a stretch to assume that Narsis has a power role. This would make him a prime target for the mafia.

[Martino]

It isn't that much of a stretch to assume that Narsis has a power role. This would make him a prime target for the mafia.

Why would Narsis have told us he was roleblocked if he has a power role?