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[Kaziocore]

Votecount 3.01

Alternate_Tree (0) -
ccabal86 (0) -
d3mon (2) - KevinH, Lyner
Euclid of Alexandria (0) -
Imran Ehsan (0) -
iSocialism (1) - Euclid of Alexandria
KevinH (0) -
killgor (1) - iSocialism
Lyner (0) -

Not Voting (5) - Alternate_Tree, ccabal86, d3mon, Imran Ehsan, killgor

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
d3mon is the current wagon leader at L-3
Deadline is Wednesday, July 24th, 2013 @ 09:30 EDT

[KevinH]

Not Voting (3) - ccabal86, d3mon, DarkIceDragon

 

If there are inactive townies in the end game, they might as well be scum.

 

I think a scum is just as likely to be inactive as a townie, let's take a chance on lynching an inactive and those of us that are active can hopefully get lucky and lynch correctly in later days.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

I'd rather lynch an inactive in hopes that he's a scum than have no lynch at all. I agree with Alt though: we are at 6 vs 3 now which means that in order to win this, unless the jail keeper gets lucky, if we have one at all, we must hit scum with 3 out of our next 4 lynches. Surely d3mon is inactive and that's definitely anti-town but we have already seen with DarkIce and Nerau that it says nothing about his alignment. I'll keep my vote on iSoc for now. I have nothing much to go on but my gut is telling me he's scum and that's how I caught Lyner in the previous game.

 

Also, killgor, yeah it's odd that they didn't NK Imran. Maybe they picked the jail keeper as one of the roles and expected him to protect Imran. On the other hand that would also have blocked Imran's shot. I'm not sure though whether or not the vig would lose ammo when they shoot while jailed.

[iSocialism]

I'd rather lynch an inactive in hopes that he's a scum than have no lynch at all. I agree with Alt though: we are at 6 vs 3 now which means that in order to win this, unless the jail keeper gets lucky, if we have one at all, we must hit scum with 3 out of our next 4 lynches. Surely d3mon is inactive and that's definitely anti-town but we have already seen with DarkIce and Nerau that it says nothing about his alignment. I'll keep my vote on iSoc for now. I have nothing much to go on but my gut is telling me he's scum and that's how I caught Lyner in the previous game.

 

Also, killgor, yeah it's odd that they didn't NK Imran. Maybe they picked the jail keeper as one of the roles and expected him to protect Imran. On the other hand that would also have blocked Imran's shot. I'm not sure though whether or not the vig would lose ammo when they shoot while jailed.

 

 

I'd rather lynch an inactive in hopes that he's a scum than have no lynch at all. I agree with Alt though: we are at 6 vs 3 now which means that in order to win this, unless the jail keeper gets lucky, if we have one at all, we must hit scum with 3 out of our next 4 lynches. Surely d3mon is inactive and that's definitely anti-town but we have already seen with DarkIce and Nerau that it says nothing about his alignment. I'll keep my vote on iSoc for now. I have nothing much to go on but my gut is telling me he's scum and that's how I caught Lyner in the previous game.

 

Also, killgor, yeah it's odd that they didn't NK Imran. Maybe they picked the jail keeper as one of the roles and expected him to protect Imran. On the other hand that would also have blocked Imran's shot. I'm not sure though whether or not the vig would lose ammo when they shoot while jailed.

What is it besides post count that seems scummy to you?

"We should lynch someone with a better reason then they're idle.  We have 6 townies left, and if we lynch another one the scum will get a night kill and it will be 4 to 3, so lynching inactives is not an option" - Alt

Alternate tree has always been pro lynching, and now he rather everyone to lynch someone who's more active instead of an inactive player. This behavior, though logically, seems a little scummy to me.

Vote Alternate Tree

[Alternate_Tree]

The second day is where it counts, I'm still new to this game and trying to see how people act regularly and with roles.

This is what you said on the first day

 

VOTE Shepard

Everything you say a townie might do you do, and whatever a scum might do, you seem to be trying to avoid doing. So either you're your own ideal townie or non-ideal scum.

Yet this is literally the only post you made on the second day, that doesn't really make sense in regards to your other post from the first day.  

The other thing I find a bit scummy about you is that you've changed votes already, which to me seems like you just want to get something started and fade into the background like yesterday.

 

And yes, I pushed for the lynch of CS yesterday too, I am pro lynching because it gives us information, which is what we need in a game with no investigative power roles (I'm assuming we have vig, jailkeeper, and the third is most likely innocent child).  

[Kaziocore]

Electric Mango replaces ccabal86

[iSocialism]

 

 

And yes, I pushed for the lynch of CS yesterday too, I am pro lynching because it gives us information, which is what we need in a game with no investigative power roles (I'm assuming we have vig, jailkeeper, and the third is most likely innocent child).  

 

So are you the only one allowed to vote for a lynch to see the person behavior/response? Just because someone votes for you does not make them scum. The way you are acting seems not necessary scummy, but you're flirting with it. I vote for someone to see their reaction, if they don't say something that seems suspicious, even though not saying anything is also suspicious. Changing my vote is me changing who I want to talk.

 

 

The second day is where it counts, I'm still new to this game and trying to see how people act regularly and with roles.

This is what you said on the first day

 

VOTE Shepard

Everything you say a townie might do you do, and whatever a scum might do, you seem to be trying to avoid doing. So either you're your own ideal townie or non-ideal scum.

Yet this is literally the only post you made on the second day, that doesn't really make sense in regards to your other post from the first day.  

 

 

Explain this a little more. I voted for CS and he started posting a lot, which may other people start posting. For me my only post of the second day made some conversation that I was able to read and watch. There was no need to say more. The best thing to do when investigating is letting other people talk. So when I vote for someone and they start talking, I tend to leave my vote alone. It was only day two and we didn't have much information from the previous day. The quicker the response the longer my vote stays on them. This game needs more talking.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

I'll keep my vote on iSoc for now. I have nothing much to go on but my gut is telling me he's scum and that's how I caught Lyner in the previous game.

What is it besides post count that seems scummy to you?

Like I said, it's a gut feeling, I guess from how you got on the CS wagon early on but then, without moving your vote, stayed out of the CS discussion when things got a bit heated. Although I can think of many things to explain that behavior it is also consistent with a scum that wants to lynch a townie but not draw attention onto himself.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

Also, hi EM! Thanks for replacing in.

[iSocialism]

 

 

I'll keep my vote on iSoc for now. I have nothing much to go on but my gut is telling me he's scum and that's how I caught Lyner in the previous game.

What is it besides post count that seems scummy to you?

 

Like I said, it's a gut feeling, I guess from how you got on the CS wagon early on but then, without moving your vote, stayed out of the CS discussion when things got a bit heated. Although I can think of many things to explain that behavior it is also consistent with a scum that wants to lynch a townie but not draw attention onto himself.

 

Hey, can't argue with a gut feeling, and the reason I stayed out of the CS discussion was because it was mostly bickering about grammar. Which is also another reason my vote remained on CS. And along with that it was also kind of a gut feeling that he might be scum.

[KevinH]

Electric Mango, I've missed you!

 

Are you townie or scum?

[Electric Mango]

Hello everyone. I just finished reading everything and am up to speed as to what's been happening so far in the game. Day 1 was exactly what I was expecti
ng with lots of initial random voting followed by the lynch /no lynch debate. Day 2 was a little more unpredictable We had a surprise role claim from Imran, who is the only player I completely trust at the moment. Im a little sad that he didn't save his shots for the end game when he had better odds but no biggie. We also had 7 players come together to make a lynch happen which is no easy task. That was the biggest shocker for me. Worst part of D2 was the grammar war, I think we are all worse off for experiencing that.

I haven't started building a case on anyone yet but my FOS award goes to KevinH for dedending CS right before he was lynched. My gut tells me Kevin defended CS knowing he was innocent to make himself look more townie.

[Imran Ehsan]

I'd rather lynch an inactive in hopes that he's a scum than have no lynch at all. I agree with Alt though: we are at 6 vs 3 now which means that in order to win this, unless the jail keeper gets lucky, if we have one at all, we must hit scum with 3 out of our next 4 lynches. Surely d3mon is inactive and that's definitely anti-town but we have already seen with DarkIce and Nerau that it says nothing about his alignment. I'll keep my vote on iSoc for now. I have nothing much to go on but my gut is telling me he's scum and that's how I caught Lyner in the previous game.

 

Also, killgor, yeah it's odd that they didn't NK Imran. Maybe they picked the jail keeper as one of the roles and expected him to protect Imran. On the other hand that would also have blocked Imran's shot. I'm not sure though whether or not the vig would lose ammo when they shoot while jailed.

 

The scum wanted to kill the jailkeeper. They took the chance that my last kill will not target them. The jailkeeper was a bigger prize for them to collect. I am pretty happy that I have used up my shots for a few reasons: (i) if I didnt, i would be a lynch candidate because ppl would be claiming that i am scum as there was only 1 kill in the night (ii) i would like to think i am a confirmed townie now, which means scum will have to use one of the night kills to take me out which gives an extra day to the jailkeeper and (iii) i took out an inactive who would not have helped the town and reduced the pool of scum suspects

 

Also we got some info from this. They hoped I would not target them. What does that mean? That means they would have been very supportive of my role claim on Day 2. We just need to look at the reactions from people when I role claimed on Day 2 to get some possible suspects. Why will they be supportive? because the knew I had one shot left and they did not want it to be them that I would target at night.

[Euclid of Alexandria]

@Imran

Good points. And now that you don't have any shots left the jailkeeper can safely protect you if he wants to. Or not of course as he wouldn't want the scum to know beforehand what he's going to do. Anyway, a guessing game at least. Also, the jailkeeper is still a bigger price for them so you might live to see another day.

This is of course assuming that we have a jailkeeper in the first place. The reason for the single NK in night 1 might just as well have been that the scum targeted Nerau same as you. The scum had 10 targets in Night 1 and 8 in Night 2 so without a jailkeeper and given that you targeted a VT in both nights, there was a 1/10 * 7/8 = 8.8% chance to have 1 NK in Night 1 and 2 NKs in Night 2.

If there is a jailkeeper he had 12 targets in Night 1 and 10 in Night 2 and, again given that you targeted VTs, there was a
(1/10 + 9/10 * 1/12) * (7/8 * 7/10) = 10.7% to have 1 NK in Night 1 and 2 NKs in Night 2. Obviously 10.7% is more than 8.8% but not by so much that we should completely ignore the possibility that there might not be a jailkeeper. We might still have a doc or a tracker instead. We won't know for sure until they flip or claim.

[KevinH]

Electric Mango didn't answer my question. He must be scum.

Days since last post:
>14 d3mon
3 Alternate_Tree
3 killgor
3 Lyner
2 iSocialism
0 Euclid of Alexandria
0 Imran Ehsan
0 Electric Mango
0 KevinH

 

We're not going to get a critical lynch vote out of d3mon.  He needs to leave the island.

[KevinH]

I don't have any answers, but it might be worth discussing why Chaplain of Death was chosen by the scum for the night kill.

[Alternate_Tree]

They were probably searching for a second power role person hiding in the middle of the lynch votes.  Someone who wasn't the first to vote to lynch or the last.  I don't think it would have to do with previous voting because on day one CoD random voted lyner and then later changed to kilgor, but NKing on account of day one votes is kind of a stretch in my opinion.

[Electric Mango]

I'm guessing that scum and Imran both targeted Nerau on N1.  I really doubt the scum would give the town a jail keeper when there are weaker roles from which to choose.  Nerau was an inactive and who hates inactives the most?  That's right, KevinH does. I believe he would lynch them for the good of the game play even though it may be detrimental to his faction.  Also KevinH never posted his obligitory, "I told you so" after a townie was lynched that he said was innocent.  

 

I'm on to you Kevin.

 

Vote:  KevinH

[KevinH]

If I had my way, we would have lynched DarkIceDragon,  Then Imran the vig could have killed D3mon and we'd definitely have 6 active townies right now. 

 

D3mon has a 33% chance of being scum and a 0% chance of voting to lynch scum.  Let's lynch him now and finish the game with active players.

 

If there's not a jailkeeper, then there must be a cop or tracker (assuming vigilante and innocent child are 2 of the 3 chosen roles).

 

The cop only has 1 investigation, but it will conclusively clear somebody or condemn somebody.  The tracker has to correctly pick which of the 3 scum is delivering the kill but will be very useful if we can reduce the scum to only 1 player.

 

I propose the following:

• We lynch D3mon (33% chance of being scum)
• We lose another townie to a night-kill (assuming jailkeeper, if any, is unsuccessful)
• That leaves the townie to scum count at either 5 to 2 (33%) or 4 to 3 (67%)
• Remaining power roles role-claim.
• Surviving vanilla townies follow the lead of the claimed power roles;  it will be easy for the scum to claim one of the roles that they didn't assign, but we can guess which ones are most likely.

I'm telling you so now.

[Commander Shepard]

Bah!