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[Kaziocore]

Votecount 2.02

Big Ego (0) -
Electric Mango (0) -
Imran Ehsan (0) -
iSocialism (0) -
KevinH (0) -
killgor (0) -
Lyner (0) -
Ovidsidios (0) -
Road2Victory (0) -
Robert2424 (1) - Electric Mango
Spaztik Muffin (0) -
TBRaiders (0) -
 
Not Voting (11) - Big Ego, Imran Ehsan, iSocialism, KevinH, killgor, Lyner, Ovidsidios, Road2Victory, Robert2424, Spaztik Muffin, TBRaiders
 
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to reach majority and 4 to reach half-majority.
Robert2424 is the current wagon leader at L-6
Deadline is Sunday, March 22nd, 2015 @ 19:20 EDT

[Robert2424]

Imran just whining that there wasn't a lynch day 1. There were random wagons also. He is just unable to find value in a day 1 without a lynch. While I, with me playing mafia for over a year, (Not here mind you), can find value a day 1 without a lynch. Although, not much else could of been salvaged from yesterday without a day 1 lynch witch is why everybody just ended the day phase. Lack of participation is what killed Day 1 yesterday. One flaw with so many people, certain people posts lots, while some not much at all. 

 

My only downside, I'm not fully used to this community yet. 

 

BTW, Kevin, you finally got your day 1 no lynch. I'm interested in seeing what you'll do day 2 now. 

[Imran Ehsan]

I agree with Imran. The only reason my name is on there at all was to get that day over with.

It is also worth noting that Imran clearly favors lynching. I'm sure if we asked him he would tell us that it is because it allows us to analyze voting patterns and also encourages discussion.

Why then is he not leading by example and voting for someone to lynch instead of chastising others for not?

 

I did vote to Lynch on Day 1.

 

I will vote to lynch on day 2 as well. The reason for my last post was because of the lame No Lynch wagon on Day 1, I have nothing to go on to vote for anyone now. I guess I will throw out a random vote sometime, as there is nothing else to base my vote on.

[Imran Ehsan]

Imran just whining that there wasn't a lynch day 1. There were random wagons also. He is just unable to find value in a day 1 without a lynch. While I, with me playing mafia for over a year, (Not here mind you), can find value a day 1 without a lynch. Although, not much else could of been salvaged from yesterday without a day 1 lynch witch is why everybody just ended the day phase. Lack of participation is what killed Day 1 yesterday. One flaw with so many people, certain people posts lots, while some not much at all. 

 

My only downside, I'm not fully used to this community yet. 

 

BTW, Kevin, you finally got your day 1 no lynch. I'm interested in seeing what you'll do day 2 now. 

 

Random wagons on Day 1 that results in not lynching is worse than useless. People base their votes on fluff and keep switching wagons. The only thing of worth on Day 1 is the actual lynch where someone actually gets killed.

[KevinH]

Only scum would lament that that there's an extra townie alive because we didn't lynch one on Day 1.
 
What am I going to do?  I'm going to vote for someone because it's Day 2 and somebody knows somethin'.
 
For starters, here's a post count for Day 2 so far.

5 Electric Mango
5 Imran Ehsan
5 KevinH
4 Robert2424
3 TBRaiders
2 Big Ego
2 Spaztik Muffin
1 iSocialism
1 killgor
1 Lyner
1 Ovidsidios
1 Road2Victory

 

If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

[KevinH]

Here's the votecount before the unvotes occurred:

 

killgor (3) - Robert2424, Electric Mango, Road2Victory
Road2Victory (3) - Imran Ehsan, Lyner, killgor
iSocialism (2) - Ovidsidios, Sam᠎us
KevinH (1) - Rafay
Ovidsidios (1) - iSocialism
Sam᠎us (1) - Spaztik Muffin
Big Ego (0) -
Electric Mango (0) -
Imran Ehsan (0) -
Lyner (0) -
Rafay (0) -
Robert2424 (0) -
Spaztik Muffin (0) -
TBRaiders (0) -

No Lynch (3) - Big Ego, TBRaiders, KevinH

 

There were 2 wagons that had 3 votes. I suspect that we would find some scum in those votes because they would be hoping that townies would pile on later.

FOS:- Robert2424, Electric Mango, Road2Victory, Imran Ehsan, Lyner, Killgor

[Electric Mango]

Except its in a townies best interest to lynch on Day 1 so I find these people less suspicious.

Also, the amount of information we have today is only a minuscule more than yesterday with most of us not having a damn clue what the hell is going on. The only difference between today and yesterday is that we are down two townies.

[Big Ego]

I don't see how we learn more information if we lynch them.

If bandwagoning isn't worth anything, then when someone does get lynched I guess you just lynch the guy who pulled the trigger for that last vote? That is the only way going for a lynch on the first day makes any sense to me.

[Imran Ehsan]

I don't see how we learn more information if we lynch them.

If bandwagoning isn't worth anything, then when someone does get lynched I guess you just lynch the guy who pulled the trigger for that last vote? That is the only way going for a lynch on the first day makes any sense to me.

 

Its the beginning of a trend of votes. By itself its not much info (but still better than no lynch) but taken together with the following days' voting wagons you can find trends on who is voting who and who is trying to avoid voting who. Now we have no info from Day 1. And by your logic, we have no need to lynch anyone on Day 2 as well. Why lynch today too? We may kill a townie god forbid (yes i am looking at you kevin). Why even lynch on Day 3 for that matter? We cant take the risk of killing another townie can we?

 

No lynching is pointless and boring.

[Kaziocore]

Thanks to Master Sam᠎us, we can now quote selected text easily! This should make our lives easier.

[Imran Ehsan]

@Kaziocore, I was just wondering what this is.

[KevinH]

At some point the town needs to take its chances and lynch.

That point is Day 2.  

During Day 1, any lynch is essentially random because no townie has any information about the guilt or innocence of any other player. However, the scum know who they are and won't let a lynch happen on their own.

After Day 1, some townies will get some information that affects their vote so it is no longer totally random.

 

I view Day 1 as an opportunity to gauge activity because in the absence of any other information, I'd rather lynch an inactive.

[TBRaiders]

This is why No Lynch on Day 1 is stoopid. No wagons, no nothing. We have nothing to go on but make random guesses and random votes.

 

 

When I first read this, I thought it was one of the dumbest things I'd seen yet in here and started typing up a post about why it was dumb, but somewhere in the middle of my post I realized the value that a lynch could provide if we actually lynched scum; all the early people voting that scum would look very town.  Had we lynched a townie, which is very likely what would happen, all we would have done was make more townie's look suspicious by jumping onto the lynch bandwagon.  The example I have for this is I wanted to toss a vote onto R2V day 1.  He came across scummy to me early on and I had my eye on him before the wagon started.  The biggest reason I didn't vote for him was because had he ended up being town, I would have looked very scummy jumping onto that wagon late.   I also was suspicious of a lot more people than just him, especially some of our more vet players who appeared to be pushing for lynching.  My gut worked out well last round, suspecting those who were against day one no-lynch.

 

I am going to toss this out there and see what happens.  This was my final day 1 groups:

 

1) Road2Victory, iSocialism, and killgor - Hadn't played with any of these guys before (and don't chat with any of them to really know outside mafia) so was working really hard to get a read on them.  They were each high on my suspect list from their posting.  I was willing to cut some slack based on day 1 fun, but if my feet were held to the fire where I had to vote, I would have jumped onto one of these bandwagons.

 

2) Electric Mango, Imran Ehsan, Spaztik Muffin, and S.amus - This was my next group of suspicious players.  EM and Imran are experienced players while Spaz and S.amus I hadn't played with before so didn't really have a full read on them, but all four were tossing votes around and made my list of players to keep an eye on.  With three top suspects on my board, I did lean town for each of these.

 

3) Lyner, Rafay, Robert2424, and KevinH - This was my group of experienced players who are pro enough to not give anything away if they are scum, but who I was less suspicious by their posting and voting.  Lyner and Rafay were just active enough to stay under the radar, while Kevin and Robert were posting machines.  Seemed like fairly normal behaviour for day one from each.

 

4) Big Ego and Ovidsidios - This was my least suspicious group.  I might be a little biased because I invited them to play, but I've also chatted quite a bit with both and I have zero scum vibe from either of them.

[TBRaiders]

4) Big Ego and Ovidsidios - This was my least suspicious group. I might be a little biased because I invited them to play, but I've also chatted quite a bit with both and I have zero scum vibe from either of them.

Just read my post and wanted to clarify that I meant as my allies in CN and friends, I've had quite a bit of IRC, skype, and forum chats with them so feel like I have a decent handle on their posting habits and style.  We have not chatted about this mafia game outside this thread.

[Robert2424]

I'm very busy today, but should be back later to post. 

[KevinH]

A:

FOS:- Robert2424, Electric Mango, Road2Victory, Imran Ehsan, Lyner, Killgor

B:

1 iSocialism
1 Killgor
1 Lyner
1 Ovidsidios
1 Road2Victory

 

A ∩ B = {Road2Victory, Lyner, Killgor}

Road2Victory and Killgor were voting for each other so I'll give them a little benefit of the doubt because a townie would have to vote defensively to try and stay alive. Therefore ...

Vote: Lyner

[Robert2424]

I wouldn't mind more activity from Lyner. 

 

Vote Lyner

[Robert2424]

 

Imran just whining that there wasn't a lynch day 1. There were random wagons also. He is just unable to find value in a day 1 without a lynch. While I, with me playing mafia for over a year, (Not here mind you), can find value a day 1 without a lynch. Although, not much else could of been salvaged from yesterday without a day 1 lynch witch is why everybody just ended the day phase. Lack of participation is what killed Day 1 yesterday. One flaw with so many people, certain people posts lots, while some not much at all. 

 

My only downside, I'm not fully used to this community yet. 

 

BTW, Kevin, you finally got your day 1 no lynch. I'm interested in seeing what you'll do day 2 now. 

 

Random wagons on Day 1 that results in not lynching is worse than useless. People base their votes on fluff and keep switching wagons. The only thing of worth on Day 1 is the actual lynch where someone actually gets killed.

 

 

If you cannot find values in wagons that don't result in a lynch, this will be a long game for you. Take what you can get. 

Except its in a townies best interest to lynch on Day 1 so I find these people less suspicious.

Also, the amount of information we have today is only a minuscule more than yesterday with most of us not having a damn clue what the hell is going on. The only difference between today and yesterday is that we are down two townies.

 

If you so strongly believe day 1 lynches are in the best interest to the town, you then should of not of voted for a no lynch. 

 

The information we know today I wouldn't say Minuscule. Each night gives us information. I find it valuable at least. 

 

I don't see how we learn more information if we lynch them.

If bandwagoning isn't worth anything, then when someone does get lynched I guess you just lynch the guy who pulled the trigger for that last vote? That is the only way going for a lynch on the first day makes any sense to me.

 

Its the beginning of a trend of votes. By itself its not much info (but still better than no lynch) but taken together with the following days' voting wagons you can find trends on who is voting who and who is trying to avoid voting who. Now we have no info from Day 1. And by your logic, we have no need to lynch anyone on Day 2 as well. Why lynch today too? We may kill a townie god forbid (yes i am looking at you kevin). Why even lynch on Day 3 for that matter? We cant take the risk of killing another townie can we?

 

No lynching is pointless and boring.

 

No lynching has a purpose. Not all the time is as apparent. Your not used to change are you? 

 

 

This is why No Lynch on Day 1 is stoopid. No wagons, no nothing. We have nothing to go on but make random guesses and random votes.

 

 

When I first read this, I thought it was one of the dumbest things I'd seen yet in here and started typing up a post about why it was dumb, but somewhere in the middle of my post I realized the value that a lynch could provide if we actually lynched scum; all the early people voting that scum would look very town.  Had we lynched a townie, which is very likely what would happen, all we would have done was make more townie's look suspicious by jumping onto the lynch bandwagon.  The example I have for this is I wanted to toss a vote onto R2V day 1.  He came across scummy to me early on and I had my eye on him before the wagon started.  The biggest reason I didn't vote for him was because had he ended up being town, I would have looked very scummy jumping onto that wagon late.   I also was suspicious of a lot more people than just him, especially some of our more vet players who appeared to be pushing for lynching.  My gut worked out well last round, suspecting those who were against day one no-lynch.

 

I am going to toss this out there and see what happens.  This was my final day 1 groups:

 

1) Road2Victory, iSocialism, and killgor - Hadn't played with any of these guys before (and don't chat with any of them to really know outside mafia) so was working really hard to get a read on them.  They were each high on my suspect list from their posting.  I was willing to cut some slack based on day 1 fun, but if my feet were held to the fire where I had to vote, I would have jumped onto one of these bandwagons.

 

2) Electric Mango, Imran Ehsan, Spaztik Muffin, and S.amus - This was my next group of suspicious players.  EM and Imran are experienced players while Spaz and S.amus I hadn't played with before so didn't really have a full read on them, but all four were tossing votes around and made my list of players to keep an eye on.  With three top suspects on my board, I did lean town for each of these.

 

3) Lyner, Rafay, Robert2424, and KevinH - This was my group of experienced players who are pro enough to not give anything away if they are scum, but who I was less suspicious by their posting and voting.  Lyner and Rafay were just active enough to stay under the radar, while Kevin and Robert were posting machines.  Seemed like fairly normal behaviour for day one from each.

 

4) Big Ego and Ovidsidios - This was my least suspicious group.  I might be a little biased because I invited them to play, but I've also chatted quite a bit with both and I have zero scum vibe from either of them.

 

Not sur why I'm not on list 3 with your reasoning. I switch my vote qwite regularly. Sure I'm experienced at mafia, but I make mistakes, I don't know all the roles that are used here. Each place you play is different. Using different roles, styles ect. I'm no Expert still. I've only won once as actual scum. (Witch is why I prefer to play town). 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm am now stealing Kazio vote count for a moment to list all the players and my thoughts on each. 

 

 

 

 

killgor - Very inactive. Needs to post more. On my suspicion list till his dose. On suspicion list till he posts more. 
Road2Victory  -  Usually very active. Not as active as last game. Not sure what to think about him. 
iSocialism  - wish to hear more from him. Notes are minamal on him currently. 
KevinH  - Finally got his day 1 lynch. If mafia, very dangerous. Always worth keeping an eye on. 
Ovidsidios  - Needs to stop Rhyming. He may have a role restriction.   
Big Ego  - Not active enough. Asking questions at least. 
Electric Mango  -For the first time, I think he might be town. 

Imran Ehsan  - Seems frustrated. Lots of ???"s with him. Doesn't seem natural. He is on my suspicion list. 
Lyner  - Needs to be more active. On my suspicion list till he posts more. 
Spaztik Muffin  - Would like to see more of him. Small townie vibe for the moment. 
TBRaiders - still a bit new but I feel he's catching on rather quickly to mafia. Haven't been able to agree with his reasoning though. 

[KevinH]

Ovidsidios - Needs to stop Rhyming. He may have a role restriction.

 

No, I find Ovidsidios' posts most interesting.

I will give Robert2424 a diagnosis of metrophobia.

[Robert2424]

Not fear, I just hate reading it. They always have hidden means. Its not my thing. If I had a role restriction like that, I'd request another one. as I'm horrible at rhyming and would mess it up.