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[Wolfpacks]

That's not good we need to find out how they got that lucky

[D34THBR1NG3R]

So who might be Lego companions? I say his possible team might consist of Preston, 1ceCream, KevinH...I'm not sure who'd be the last one (though maybe, maybe Mandarijn - he's not giving out those usual good vibes).

The only person who I could find mentioning Mandarijn.

there was more people, although IMO I feel you're just picking AbT because he accused you too

[iSocialism]

I'm surprise that Samus is still alive after day one. I forgot Mandi is in this game, same goes with a few others. 

[Ali bin Turban]

Mandarijn was quite unexpected. Maybe scum were enticed by his silence. Maybe they were afraid of taking on more vocal ppl, who could also attract PR's visit (possibility of protection, or simply fear of being seen if scum happen to lack ninja). We can speculate, though we won't know it for sure.

 

Anyway I'm not expecting anyone share their findings and we need to keep on talking while waiting for PR cavalry to come and save us (hopefully they won't all die). Sooo..

 

@1ceCream - I impressed that you took Rafays gauntlet and went on digging. Now please let us know, what's your conclusion about that?

Also, when you're finally around, let us know what stopped you from posting for the couple of days (when you've been fairly active on forums)

 

@Finster - Could you elaborate a bit more on your dramatic *sigh* and me being awfully scummy in what I do?

 

@Lego - Since you've not been scumkilled, you might be able to tell me why have you been mentioning me painting Preston with black paint, when I've actually drop him?

 

@Rhizo, you voted on Lego without any word. I'm curious why (Just asking honestly, no implied meaning)?

[Samus]

I'm surprise that Samus is still alive after day one. I forgot Mandi is in this game, same goes with a few others. 

scum #1 found.

[legoboyvdlp]

Hmm. Interesting there, 1ceCream.

FoS on Ali

[Rhizoctonia]

I'll look to get my thoughts down of what has happened and ABT's question, but please bear with me as I'm going through a very troubling time (family wise) right now. I may make a thread about it in another area if I can, but TW knows what it's about. If nothing changes in next few days, I'll ask TW to replace me. But I want people to be aware of I am pretty quiet next day or so. I won't let it ruin the game(I'll have TW replace me if needed)

[1ceCream]

@1ceCream - I impressed that you took Rafays gauntlet and went on digging. Now please let us know, what's your conclusion about that? Also, when you're finally around, let us know what stopped you from posting for the couple of days (when you've been fairly active on forums)

 

 

Yesterday, I was at the hospital with my mother. She has stage one cancer and goes to the hospital regularly for checkups after her surgery. She ended her chemo a couple weeks ago, saying she felt weird, having no strength and coughing. I talked her into retaking chemo. I was busy for the whole of the day, having to drive her to and back from the hospital and taking her to Chinatown.

 

Being a noob, I didn't know what to make of Preston's paragraphs or what a read was. I'm new as shit and what I post should probably be taken with a grain of salt. I know I should post to be pro-town, but I didn't have anything to say and didn't want to project myself as scummy by posting things with no substance to help scumhunt. 

[Preston]

Ouch at losing a power role - and the same one I had last game, even.

Mandarijn (aside from having a name I keep typo'ing) did not make a lot of waves on D1 - which is why I would guess he was targeted, since it doesnt confirm or deny anyone's active scum theories. He also had a vote on the Rafay wagon from the beginning of D1; not sure how significant that may have been.

Not sure how useful it will be, but here is a rough list of Mandarijn-related content from D1.

What Mandarijn Posted:
1. Randomly voted on Rafay, commented Lego's VT claim from the start wasn't really pro-town
2. Joked "So we lynch on D1 :p" in response to Samus commenting on a 18-person game
3. Complimented Ali on noticing the "free no-lynch" math
4. Mandarijn commented that the day looked like it would end in either Lego or Rafay being lynched, or in a no-lynch - lego was good to lynch but he was also fine with Rafay.
5. D34TH had posted he would be elaborating more on his opinions and using evidence with them; Mandarijn asked if D34TH would do so since he seemed to be online quite often.

Posts Mentioning Mandarijn (excluding TW's post):
1. Lego commented Mandarijn simply came across as town
2. Canik said Lego listed Mandarijn as probably town. Joked Lego might have given the whole scum team.
3. Ali said Mandarijn is not giving out those usual good vibes
4. Samus listed everyone on the Rafay wagon, saying there has to be at least one scum in the list loking for a quick lynch
5. D34TH responded to Mandarijn poking him to elaborate, saying he was busy in hospital
6. Ali included Mandarijn in his end-day list, noting he is really shy in this game - voted for Rafay at the beginning and pretty much did nothing else.

So yeah, not a lot of waves made aside from him poking D34TH - which means we gain minimal information from him being night killed. And scum got lucky with a role into the bargain... ugh.

In terms of reactions today - good to see Rafay and Mazuurek both posting (and fairly quickly too). Hopefully Rafay will stay talking throughout the day.

Ali has so far the most content-filled post of day 2. He posted backing off of me at the end of day 1 - really it felt like the end of the day had several apologetic posts.

SM caught my attention a little at the end of the day, throwing her vote at Rafay despite the clear no-lynch majority, and despite saying she thought the quick wagon on Rafay was suspicious in the same post.

I also found it hilarious that at the end of D1, in back-to-back posts, Lyner asked why I am focusing on his motives instead of his reasoning, and then immediately after Ali says I should try focusing on peoples' motives.

I am expecting a fairly busy weekend, but will try to post when I can. However for the record my suspect list still focuses on Lyner, KevinH, and the Lego/D34TH pair. Ali remains on it as a FoS of interest, but with him explaining his thoughts that gives me more insight as to why he may have been pushing. We'll see where that goes.

-Preston

[Chaplain of death]

Ali pointing out that a usually fairly active Mandy is lurking and therefore not appearing very townie doesn't exactly raise any suspicion. He was attempting to prod for activity imo.

I think lego is a bit suspicious considering this is all mandy said before lego said he was a townie

I'd be surprised if any of the original TW-2 mafia (me, ABT, KingH, and Lyner) were mafia.

It's random, so previous games don't mean a thing! Claiming VT from the start isn't really pro-town in my eyes...
 
Anyway
Vote: Rafay

He disputes everything about your post so hes a townie? Seems odd. FoS Lego.

[Finster Baby]

@Finster - Could you elaborate a bit more on your dramatic *sigh* and me being awfully scummy in what I do?

Exasperation at your usual wall of text that tells us nothing and your expectation of me being able to pull something from nothing.

My FOS is still pointed straight at you.

It really sucks that the scum got lucky on their first lynch.

[Rhizoctonia]

Mandarijn was quite unexpected. Maybe scum were enticed by his silence. Maybe they were afraid of taking on more vocal ppl, who could also attract PR's visit (possibility of protection, or simply fear of being seen if scum happen to lack ninja). We can speculate, though we won't know it for sure.

 

Anyway I'm not expecting anyone share their findings and we need to keep on talking while waiting for PR cavalry to come and save us (hopefully they won't all die). Sooo..

 

@1ceCream - I impressed that you took Rafays gauntlet and went on digging. Now please let us know, what's your conclusion about that?

Also, when you're finally around, let us know what stopped you from posting for the couple of days (when you've been fairly active on forums)

 

@Finster - Could you elaborate a bit more on your dramatic *sigh* and me being awfully scummy in what I do?

 

@Lego - Since you've not been scumkilled, you might be able to tell me why have you been mentioning me painting Preston with black paint, when I've actually drop him?

 

@Rhizo, you voted on Lego without any word. I'm curious why (Just asking honestly, no implied meaning)?

 

I'll try to put my thoughts as best as I can for what's going on atm with me.

 

I voted for Lego on the last few hours of the day while I was at work.  I didn't have time to really write anything up, but I wanted to get my vote in before deadline and wouldn't have a chance before it ended.  I had been bouncing back and forth with both Lego and Rafay the night before, and made my choice the next morning.  I mentioned earlier in the day in one of my earlier posts that Lego had gained some suspicion from me, especially early on when he said he doubted him or anyone else from last game would be scum again, and his eagerness way early on of being suspicious of people as well as writing people off as town.  He stuck out the most on D1 as scummy, so he got my vote, though I did contemplate voting Rafay for his gameplay or lack thereof, but his quick wagon that some backpedaled off of made me less suspicious he was actual scum.  

 

Last night's killing:

 

I'm not actually surprised to see Mand get killed.  Mandarijn is usually an active player, and he was relatively quiet on D1.  My guess is scum thought he could have a PR and why he was staying most quiet and out of the lime light.  I believe I read I was killed off last game for a similar thought process....I was relatively quiet and was killed because Scum thought I could have a PR and not being as active as I have in other games.  Plus Mandarijn is a pretty good Mafia player.  He has shown to be analytical, and getting him out certainly is a huge benefit to scum.  I think he voted Rafay...so the other thought if Rafay is town is to put some suspicion on Rafay as he was the one Mand suspected.

 

It was a double loss really for town last night, from losing a town player that would of really helped us as a player, as well as a PR.  

 

So far today:

I'm quite surprised that Maz, who not only was one of the quietest players all last game (like 4 posts) was the 2nd person to reply to the topic after TW opened day 2.  Not only that, but Maz didn't really do to much D1, and his vote on Rafay was really just that, a vote, with no real explanation besides hopping on the wagon.  

 

Rafay was quick to respond at the start as well, yet refused to post anything for several days before the end of Day 1 even after votes went his way and people asked him to.  Now suddenly he's one of the first ones to.  

 

Wolfpacks response:

 

That's not good we need to find out how they got that lucky

 

 

Find a bit strange tbh.  It seems like a safe response after losing a town player in the night, and the last part about "finding out how they got the lucky," is a odd remark to make.  There is no real "how" to them killing off a PR.  They knew nothing, they didn't know who had PR's or not, so lucky is all it is, they made a good guess.  But there's really nothing to find out out about how they guessed well, they just did.  

[D34THBR1NG3R]

I've already said why I believe this and now he's just grasping at straws putting his FoS on Ali just because 1ceCream said so, coincidentally Ali also said 1ceCream and Lego were very suspicious to him and called them out in multiple posts making him a bad choice to kill because it would just confirm his theory. And if it wasn't 1ceCream or Lego scrum would've killed him ok in order to make it look like it was 1ceCream or Lego.


VOTE: Lego again

[legoboyvdlp]

Grasping at straws, indeed. You know me better than I do myself!
Oh, so you read my thoughts and saw I just FoS on Ali because 1ceCream ''said so''? Lol!



Why, hello, Ali! Nice to see you. The response to your question is because you were really arguing too hard about him and then ''drop him''.

Well, I'm off for the night. See you!

[D34THBR1NG3R]

Grasping at straws, indeed. You know me better than I do myself!
Oh, so you read my thoughts and saw I just FoS on Ali because 1ceCream ''said so''? Lol!
Why, hello, Ali! Nice to see you. The response to your question is because you were really arguing too hard about him and then ''drop him''.
Well, I'm off for the night. See you!

you never said anything about my other points

[legoboyvdlp]

Well, D34THbribger, what you see is WIFOM.

imagine I am scum x

If I kill ali then people will think it is lego or 1cecream
But then they think that scum does that to make them look bad so I won't kill Ali but then town will think I will do that so I will kill him after all, but...

Wine in Front of Me

Look it up on mafia wiki

[Canik]

Geez 3 people dealing with family/health issues right now. Hope all your situations start to improve soon. <3

Just wanted to say that first, now to the game:

I am a little surprised to see Mandarjin killed first but it does make sense since he was quiet which can indicate a PR and he is a good player. Also doesn't leave us a whole lot to analysis but there's at least 1 thing I can take from it - If Ali said Mandarjin wasn't giving good vibes, it's unlikely Ali would have had him targeted during the night. Still possible, but why engage him during the day just to kill him at night? That would not make much sense.

Speaking of not making sense, it blew my mind when SM & Rhizo voted at the end of the day when it was well known today was a free no lynch and there was nothing solid on Rafay or Lego. Both were understandable choices but with the free no lynch there is very little reason not to wait until D2. SM is newish I think and Rhizo may be distracted by real life so maybe it was innocent mistakes but still got to note it and will be keeping a closer eye on you two.
 

[Chaplain of death]

I forgot about my last point in my last post. I brought up that quote from day 1 because lego saying mandy had a "town feel" after calling him out like that seems odd. More so now that we know he was town. Could be a scum trying to latch onto a townie for support.

[Lyner]

Mandarijn is the second most inactive player in this game, the first being Rafay.

 

So apparently this indicates 2 things: Either the scums are active players or the scums are smart and playing this game as safe as they can.

 

I prefer the latter.

[Mazuurek]

Morning everyone